Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer
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Moderator vetted one heck of a long time ago....
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Moderator vetted one heck of a long time ago....
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So much for the integrity of the moderator.
Haha, check out the fish farming threads
Watch who you support some folks are on your side for some issues but In the long run they oppose sport fishing, commercial fishing, logging, hunting, firearm ownership, resource extraction all of which effect sport fishing as we kill and harvest fish species. We have more in common with other users than ENGOs or anti anybody.... my thoughts
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Liberal gun control bill passes Senate, poised to become law
The federal Liberal government's contentious gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the Senate without changes on Thursday and is now poised to become law.The bill passed the House of Commons in May(opens in a new tab) after months of division and political acrimony. The version that made it to the Senate was significantly expanded from what the federal government had initially tabled a year prior.
Bill C-21 passed just ahead of a long holiday hiatus by a vote of 60 to 24(opens in a new tab), and with applause in the upper chamber.
The legislation includes measures to:
Tighten gun laws to include "red flag" and "yellow flag" provisions related to a gun owner posing a risk to themselves or others;
Impose a "freeze" on the sale, purchase or transfer of handguns in Canada;
A prospective Criminal Code "technical definition" of what constitutes a prohibited assault-style firearm, meant to "cement in law" a permanent ban on future models once the bill comes into force;
A series of provisions meant to make it illegal to make or buy ghost guns and to combat firearms smuggling; and
Wording making clear the government's intent to uphold Indigenous treaty rights.
The bill also includes a requirement for a parliamentary review of the technical definition five years after it comes into effect, while a series of other related measures are being advanced through regulations. (opens in a new tab)
Defending Bill C-21 at the time, then-public safety minister Marco Mendicino said the Liberals were committed to go further "than any government in the history of this country" when it comes to gun control, while Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre asserted the legislation targets law-abiding gun owners.
When the bill moved to the Senate, many gun control observers had wondered what, if any, amendments would be made to the legislation.
Ultimately, after six sitting months that included a dozen days of study at the Senate National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs Committee, where 66 witnesses were heard from(opens in a new tab), Bill C-21 passed the Senate without amendment.
Though, senators did submit several observations(opens in a new tab) about the bill, including that the government should consider "additional policy measures," to address outstanding concerns, such as implementing a Canada-wide database and data collection process regarding all gun-related injuries and death, and consulting further with sport shooters.
In the view of Conservative senators, the inability to pass amendments to Bill C-21 was due to resistance from the "government majority," concluding that it will be up to a future government to correct the "serious errors" that remain within the "extremely divisive bill."
Reacting to the bill's passage, members of the Coalition for Gun Control celebrated that the bill will be granted royal assent "unscathed," after a "very challenging" and protracted parliamentary process.
"The game-changing bill reflects more than thirty years of advocacy… to make Canadians safer from gun violence. The legislation responds to the concerns of experts, community groups and Canadians from coast to coast, and proposes measured but effective solutions," reads the group's statement.
"Today really is a historic day."
Liberal gun control bill passes Senate, poised to become law
The federal Liberal government's contentious gun control legislation Bill C-21 passed the Senate without changes on Thursday and is now poised to become law.
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With the Liberal (NDP and Block supported - let's never forget the accomplices) Bill C-21 Firearms Ban making its way through the Senate, we are disheartened to see that it will most likely pass before Christmas.
With that being said, the newest issue of our own publication, The Canadian Firearms Journal, will not grace the mailboxes of members until January, so we thought we would share a brief portion of a poignant piece of writing that goes into great detail illustrating the absolute 'cherry-picking' of research for this bill's supporting groundwork.
One study was chosen, while others were exempt from consideration, and the intention was clear - to play directly into the Liberal narrative and to justify their government overreach.
Below is an excerpt from Bruce Gold's article, 'One Lone (Flawed) Study', which you will be able to read in its entirety in our next Canadian Firearms Journal issue,
January-February 2024.
"The Trudeau government has been criticized for suppressing the evidence behind their ongoing assaults on legal firearm owners.
“Firearm Availability and Homicide: A Review of the Literature”, was the only study cited in the gun ban OICs.
It quickly became obvious why it was chosen since it claimed, “The research suggests that households with firearms are at higher risk for homicide, and there is no net beneficial effect of firearm ownership.”
Unfortunately, the study was badly flawed.
A persistent problem with gun studies is their low academic standards and biased interpretations.
It becomes clear why this study was chosen, and the Liberals used Cabinet Confidentiality to hide the rest."
Canadian National Firearms Association
With that being said, the newest issue of our own publication, The Canadian Firearms Journal, will not grace the mailboxes of members until January, so we thought we would share a brief portion of a poignant piece of writing that goes into great detail illustrating the absolute 'cherry-picking' of research for this bill's supporting groundwork.
One study was chosen, while others were exempt from consideration, and the intention was clear - to play directly into the Liberal narrative and to justify their government overreach.
Below is an excerpt from Bruce Gold's article, 'One Lone (Flawed) Study', which you will be able to read in its entirety in our next Canadian Firearms Journal issue,
January-February 2024.
"The Trudeau government has been criticized for suppressing the evidence behind their ongoing assaults on legal firearm owners.
“Firearm Availability and Homicide: A Review of the Literature”, was the only study cited in the gun ban OICs.
It quickly became obvious why it was chosen since it claimed, “The research suggests that households with firearms are at higher risk for homicide, and there is no net beneficial effect of firearm ownership.”
Unfortunately, the study was badly flawed.
A persistent problem with gun studies is their low academic standards and biased interpretations.
It becomes clear why this study was chosen, and the Liberals used Cabinet Confidentiality to hide the rest."
Canadian National Firearms Association
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Liberal gun bill passes Senate, but experts say it won't stop gun crime
While Bill C-21 was touted as a means to tackle gun crime, concerns were raised that most crime guns found on Canadian streets are smuggled in from the United StatesOTTAWA — The Trudeau Liberals’ contentious gun control legislation will do little to stop gun crime while ensuring the end of sport shooting in Canada, advocates say.
Bill C-21 is poised to become law after passing third reading in the Senate with an easy 60 to 24 majority Thursday evening. The legislation would freeze the sale or transfer of handguns, add a definition of what constitutes a prohibited so-called “assault rifle” to the criminal code, and introduce “yellow flag” and “red flag” laws that would allow anyone to apply for emergency prohibition orders against somebody they feel poses a danger.
While gun control proponents hailed the bill’s passage as a victory for public safety, firearms advocates fear it will infringe on the rights of licensed gun owners while doing little to combat Canada’s gun crime problem.
“It’s been the goal of this government all along to target licensed sport shooters and hunters,” said Tracey Wilson, spokesperson for the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR).
“Our goal is to have this bill repealed, and have the focus return to combating crime, violence and gun smuggling.”
While the bill was touted as a means to tackle gun crime, concerns were raised by scholars and police officials that most crime guns found on Canadian streets are smuggled in from the United States — and in many cases, are firearms illegal to own in Canada.
Testifying before the House public safety committee during C-21 deliberations, Toronto Police Chief Myron Demkiw said 86 per cent of crime guns in the city in 2021 were smuggled from the United States — a trend on the increase since 2019, he said.
Describing C-21’s passage as a “solid victory for public safety,” gun control advocacy group PolySeSouvient praised the Trudeau Liberals but maintained that much of the bill’s public safety impact is linked to the strength of its regulations.
“Bill C-21 contains solid measures to better protect victims of domestic abuse from gun threats and violence thanks to a series of measures related to this oft-neglected aspect of gun control,” said spokesperson Nathalie Provost.
“These measures represent concrete and effective progress and will saves many lives, in particular due to the new automatic prohibition preventing an individual who is subject to a protection order from owning guns.”
Noah Schwartz is an assistant political science professor at the University of the Fraser Valley and firearms policy expert who also testified during the bill’s committee analysis. He said more work could have been done to give the bill a firmer focus, particularly concerning fears the legislation would disarm hunters and sport shooters.
“I was disappointed the Senate didn’t dig into the bill a bit more and try to make some revisions — I thought there were a lot of places where some of the rough edges of the bill could have been softened,” he said.
“The government claims that they were not trying to target sport shooters or hunters, and I think there were areas where that could have been made more clear.”
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The bill’s “red flag” provisions, which would allow Canada’s chief firearms officer to summarily revoke firearms licences due to threat of domestic violence or criminal harassment, are also prone to abuse, Schwartz said.
“A number of witnesses, myself included, raised concerns about the potential for the red flag laws to be misused, especially amongst groups that the government kind of claims to be looking out for, like Indigenous Canadians,” he said.
Schwartz also maintains the bill won’t do much to fight gun crime.
“(C-21) is really targeted at the low-hanging fruit, which are people who have gone through the licensing process to get their firearms,” he said.
“It’s not really digging into the bigger structural problems that are causing gun crime in Canada.”
Simon Fraser University Prof. Gary Mauser accused the Liberals of putting ideology ahead of reality in their effort to get C-21 over the finish line.
“Strong empirical research shows that laws that focus on lawful gun owners do not reduce criminal violence,” he said, referring to testimony provided during committee deliberations.
“Their findings are backed up by the testimony of the police chiefs, police union representatives, wildlife organization reps, and Indigenous groups.”
Both Mauser and Wilson agree that C-21 will greatly reduce firearm ownership in Canada, which will have a devastating impact on retailers, gunsmiths and shooting ranges and clubs.
“These clubs are the backbone of provincial fish and game organizations which are responsible for teaching firearms safety, supporting wildlife conservation, and incidentally, are available for training police and border officers,” Mauser said.
Wilson said shooting clubs in large cities also cater to local law enforcement — noting the club she belongs to in Ottawa also serves as a primary range for Ottawa police, RCMP and Parliamentary Protective Service members.
“Bill C-21 does nothing to protect our citizens from violent crime,” Mauser said.
“Bill C-21 will divert police resources, money and people, from real policing, and as a result, can only increase violent crime.”
Liberal gun bill passes Senate, but experts say it won't stop gun crime
Bill C-21 passed third reading in the Senate on Thursday
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Liberal gun control bill is now law. What happens now?
The Liberals’ long-promised gun control legislation, Bill C-21, has become law after final passage by the Senate on Thursday night, without amendment, and receiving royal assent on Friday.
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People will also have to present a firearm possession licence if they want to purchase gun magazines.
A polarized reaction
This legislation is no stranger to controversy, such as the ultimately withdrawn amendments that initially saw many popular hunting rifles included in the banned list before being walked back due to strong pushback from the Indigenous and hunting communities.Now that the bill is passed, reaction is split among gun control advocates and those working in the industry.
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Regarding the OIC:
“These firearms have been prohibited since May 1, 2020, but they remain in the homes of all these Canadians and there’s been no public safety issues at all over the last three years,” he said.
“It really makes you wonder why we were in such a rush to bypass parliamentary procedure and to rush in an order in council for something that obviously is not a threat to our society.”
Liberal gun control bill is now law. What happens now? - National | Globalnews.ca
The long-promised Liberal gun control bill, which includes a formal definition of and ban on 'assault-style weapons' has received approval from the Senate and will become law.
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Liberals extend deadline by 2 weeks for 'Invitation To Qualify' ITQ
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Tim Thurley: How the great Canadian gun compromise was destroyed
Gun-control groups used to be realistic about the scope of their goals and the Canadian way of life. That's changed.
We Canadians love compromise. As many individuals and groups — myself included — descended on Ottawa to discuss C-21, the federal government’s now-passed firearms law, senators asked witnesses how to reconcile the views of anti-gun groups and gun owners into a coherent whole. They can’t. It has become clear that gun-control advocates will no longer allow a workable, lasting compromise. It isn’t Grandpa Joe’s movement anymore, if it ever truly was.The simple truth is that Canada already had a hard-fought gun compromise, the conclusion of a process carried out through the Trudeau the Elder, Mulroney, and Chretien governments. Firearms of most types remained available to the law-abiding license holder, subject to increased government oversight, approval, and conditions to prevent misuse. Strict licensing, safety courses, background checks, mental health and substance abuse disclosures, storage requirements, spousal sign-off, and additional safeguards were enshrined in law.
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Every policy involves trade-offs. There's no way around that reality. By seeking primarily to appease an increasingly radical anti-gun lobby and leave poison pills for the opposition, the government has alienated the stakeholders whose cooperation is essential to navigate towards the law’s success.
The ideological commitments have shifted, and the Canadian gun debate has declined with them to an unserious place utterly disconnected with not just the realities faced by gun owners, but of policymaking itself. The next Canadian government must return to a reasonable, stable, and realistic course. They will not do so by listening to a gun-control movement that has lost all sense of balance or perspective.
Tim Thurley: How the great Canadian gun compromise was destroyed
Gun-control groups used to be realistic about the scope of their goals and the Canadian way of life. That's changed.
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