For those who are asking where was I fishing, what was I using etc. I really believe that the real joy of fishing is found during the years spent learning how to become accomplished and catching fish fairly consistently. Having all the info given to you takes away from that part of the experience. I'm not blowing smoke I really believe this. I'm not saying that on the tough days when I'm really lost and time is short (on a paid trip to find a fish for the guests) I haven't given up and ask the days hot rods...whats going on. The first thing to learn is what areas produce better on what tides. By having this under your belt you can look at your current books during the week ahead to the weekend and know where you are going to try. Or you can just follow one of the week day guys out in the morning!!! Colours etc...keep a diary...many of us do. (me included) I can look back through the years and see what worked last June and the June's prior. Or you can find a new combo to try. This is part of the fun of fishing. I guess what I'm saying is that I won't give you all the info...that would be robbing you of the aspect of fishing that hooked me as a kid....the challenge of getting the fish on the line in the first place. Playing the fish was always secondary for me. What does everyone else think?
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trophywife
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yes, and a lil push in the right direction from anyone is considered friendly and motivating.
I moved here six years ago from Alberta and had considered myself to be a pretty good fisherman for freshwater species. I caught a lot of fish 'back east', most of which were released. I freely shared information on techniques, presentations, locations and tackle with people I met both on and off the water and have actually given particularly good rigs to those who were not having much success that I met at the ramp. Just seemed like the thing to do and my fishing buddies did the same.
When I started fishing the salt for salmon I was quickly overwhelmed by the complexity and technicality of this type of angling and researched every bit of information that I could find to help me out. I very quickly found that that fishing information here was considered to be proprietary information and was given out in very limited dribs and drabs.
I'm not saying that this is wrong and I have many people on this site to thank for the very helpful hints that I have received over the years but there does seem to be a different attitude here than back east when it comes to this sort of thing. Or maybe it's just me, I dunno.
Anyway, mucho thanks to those of you who are willing to help us less successful anglers and if anybody wants some great tips on walleye fishing, let me know.
When I started fishing the salt for salmon I was quickly overwhelmed by the complexity and technicality of this type of angling and researched every bit of information that I could find to help me out. I very quickly found that that fishing information here was considered to be proprietary information and was given out in very limited dribs and drabs.
I'm not saying that this is wrong and I have many people on this site to thank for the very helpful hints that I have received over the years but there does seem to be a different attitude here than back east when it comes to this sort of thing. Or maybe it's just me, I dunno.
Anyway, mucho thanks to those of you who are willing to help us less successful anglers and if anybody wants some great tips on walleye fishing, let me know.
Englishman
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As readers of this forum will know, I too am a beginner at this ocean fishing gig. I too was a freshwater fishermen in Europe and here in B.C. before I bought my first boat last year. In 2010 I posted some laments about my singular lack of success all last summer (except for sockeye) and I still was unable to catch any chinook or coho until October. I have since caught just a few winters. This small success only happened because of a few tips, advice and encouragement I received from some members on this forum, some of it via PM's. I agree with you Clipper the permutations of tides, depth, trolling speed, lure/bait and/or flasher, lure colour, location and time of day are so overwhelming it is daunting. It is clear to me that you cannot catch fish which are not there and I now believe it is the combination of location and tide which is critical to success - the secrets of which still elude me. However, I press on, trying here and there and this and that, and perhaps eventually I will come to know a small portion of the local knowledge residing with the experts on this forum, some of whom have been at least kind enough to point me in the right direction, even though the information did not necessarily tell me what to look for when I get there!
SerengetiGuide
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I agree profisher, locations are definitely not readily given away, especially for bottomfish, but also salmon, and in your area to boot as there would be 200 boats there the next day. Techniques I almost always give out unless its something I uniquely developed.
Dave S
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My opinions is it all depends on what they are asking and how they ask. If some of the greenhorns like myself never got help from others (dohboy) we may have to resort to shady tactics. Following boats out. Trolling right beside you. Dropping anchor right behind you. GPS marks your location when your anchored up for hali. etc etc. Sure this stuff happens out there now, but it is my opinion that when you share a little info and build confidence and encourage the new guys out there, they are more likey to respect you and the etiquette you talk about regarding fishing the chuck. If you tell all the new guys to go f#@k themselves kindly, you may find them right on your butt outta the marina and criss crossing your troll with binoculars to see what color flasher your rolling.
imo
Oh, and I don't practice, promote, or encourage any of the above tactics.
imo
Oh, and I don't practice, promote, or encourage any of the above tactics.
Serengeti brings up a very good point. I have over the years offered individuals many tips, even shown a few of my bait rolling techniques, knots, types of hooks that work for me etc etc. For awhile I even gave on water classes in the spring prior to the summer season. I think I charged $50 for 2 hours out on the water and went over a lot of material that hopefully helped those who signed up. I'm personally a little bit more reluctant to give out personal techniques and locations to the masses.
xavier
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Some guides have realized they get a great deal of business by going above and beyond on this forum. I agree that coordinates for bottom fish may be too much. However, there is nothing wrong with sharing a hot spot with your peers or letting them know where southbank, rat's nose are etc.. If you think you are getting more fish as a result of keeping your chovies close to your chest, you are kidding yourself. Many different methods produce, but none of them work unless there are fish under your boat. I know I refer people to the guides on here that share their expertise. If you don't want to share with your peers, go to another forum.
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Mighty Sylvan
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Isn't a forum for exchanging information? Conditions are always changing and fish are on the move so I don't think giving out tips hurts. I've been on both sides and I like to help people out.
Little Hawk
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Like FFG-89 I too have been laying low - reading, not posting - since the halibut fracas on this forum. But yet another good topic has spurred me to jump back in and has reminded me once again why I've hung out here long as I have: all the good people who don't hesitate to help others!
I haven't fished much in the last few years but I'm in the process of moving and if all goes according to plan, I'll be out closer to Sooke and spending much more time on the water.
To accelerate the learning-curve I plan to simply hook my bowline on the back of Rolly's or Wolf's boat and let them drag me around behind them for a few weeks till I get the hang of stuff. This will also save fuel!
Yeah - good to be back.
I haven't fished much in the last few years but I'm in the process of moving and if all goes according to plan, I'll be out closer to Sooke and spending much more time on the water.
To accelerate the learning-curve I plan to simply hook my bowline on the back of Rolly's or Wolf's boat and let them drag me around behind them for a few weeks till I get the hang of stuff. This will also save fuel!
Yeah - good to be back.
I've recieved alot of tips from you guys/girls since I joined the site..... new to salt and catching fish already!! ALL! because of this site and reading tons! OK maybe some luck too.....just thought it was a good thread too say thanks to yous ALL for the info. Helping someone is the great gift of life, is it not?
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Pippen
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Quit your bitching
......put up some coordinates for hali holes, ling holes, rocky holes and stop being an a-hole 
......and let us know your "go to" rigs/spots for each species and keep us in the know as to how the different tides affect your various honey holes. 
Karma-Kazi
Active Member
People need to also realise that what somone uses to catch a fish only fooled the fish he caught. He wont be fooled a second time to often. Its always changing. I have the odd go to lures, but if I fish for an hour without a bite I am just as fast as the last guy to change gear, bait, lure, flasher etc. You need to look at the weather and depth ur fishing.
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-Steve
tubber
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When I lived in Calgary before the days of the internet I made the transition from a pretty green flailer to a fairly knowledgable Bow river flytyer/fisherman based on some reading of books/magazines and hundreds of hours putting in the time at the tying bench, in my truck, and hiking the banks with very little help from anyone. That does generate a certain sense of accomplishment.
When it comes to saltwater, my background was planers and slipweights as a kid on grandpa's boat in Chemainus, and jigging buzzbombs and handline norwegian jigs off the side of a seine boat between openings. These days, I would say I have only learned 25% of what I know from seatime and 60% from reading forums, and 15% from face time with other fisherman. I only get to the coast 3-5 times a year and usually for only 2-3 day trips. If I had to learn everything through trial and error, it would have been ugly. I really enjoy learning about gear, knots, rigging etc..., but only occassionally ask about specific spots.
I do notice that people are more willing to give specific information away for places where they only fish as visitors like Port Renfrew, Ucluelet, Nootka and Port McNeil than in their home waters, which is understandable. While others are careful not to **** off the locals by saying too much about crowded places, like Sooke and Port Hardy.
Anyway, thanks to all that post. This forum has helped many of us tremendously, yet there are so many factors and details to a succesful day on the water that it remains a challenge.
Just last week for example, we fished the Big Bank and did poorly, thinking the fish weren't there plus it was loaded with dogfish, the next day we fished a different place and did great on springs and halibut. It turns out that the first place was equally good, but we were fishing our traditional midsummer, midwater depths and needed to be bouncing bottom like we did on day two. It was our first time there in June, so we lived and learned a bit but still came home happy.
When it comes to saltwater, my background was planers and slipweights as a kid on grandpa's boat in Chemainus, and jigging buzzbombs and handline norwegian jigs off the side of a seine boat between openings. These days, I would say I have only learned 25% of what I know from seatime and 60% from reading forums, and 15% from face time with other fisherman. I only get to the coast 3-5 times a year and usually for only 2-3 day trips. If I had to learn everything through trial and error, it would have been ugly. I really enjoy learning about gear, knots, rigging etc..., but only occassionally ask about specific spots.
I do notice that people are more willing to give specific information away for places where they only fish as visitors like Port Renfrew, Ucluelet, Nootka and Port McNeil than in their home waters, which is understandable. While others are careful not to **** off the locals by saying too much about crowded places, like Sooke and Port Hardy.
Anyway, thanks to all that post. This forum has helped many of us tremendously, yet there are so many factors and details to a succesful day on the water that it remains a challenge.
Just last week for example, we fished the Big Bank and did poorly, thinking the fish weren't there plus it was loaded with dogfish, the next day we fished a different place and did great on springs and halibut. It turns out that the first place was equally good, but we were fishing our traditional midsummer, midwater depths and needed to be bouncing bottom like we did on day two. It was our first time there in June, so we lived and learned a bit but still came home happy.
greenhornet
Active Member
Well here is my two cents
It is nice to be pointed in the right direction but its the old saying you can lead a horse but you cant make him drink,co-ordinates are usually general trying stayin right on top of the mark with a 3 kn tide?? good luck!!!! One of the great things about having a passion like fishing is to share and talk about expierience and help the begginners.Ive been fishing my whole life and live for it!!!! So a little guidence does go along way,so thanks to the guys who do want to help out im sure its apprecieted... Anyone want to pm me Ill tell you what I can do to help..
Tight lines
Billydoo
It is nice to be pointed in the right direction but its the old saying you can lead a horse but you cant make him drink,co-ordinates are usually general trying stayin right on top of the mark with a 3 kn tide?? good luck!!!! One of the great things about having a passion like fishing is to share and talk about expierience and help the begginners.Ive been fishing my whole life and live for it!!!! So a little guidence does go along way,so thanks to the guys who do want to help out im sure its apprecieted... Anyone want to pm me Ill tell you what I can do to help..
Tight lines
Billydoo
TheRock
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eriks
Active Member
I'm new to fishing with down riggers. I didn't have a problem boating sox(who did?), but found that the best way to improve my local (Vancouver) fishing techniques, was to go out with Bonchovy a couple of times, and have a boat load (no pun intended) of questions for Jason when we were out fishing. But as Englishman stated, the permutations of colour, depth, tide, location, how much roll on your chovies etc. is, at times, overwhelming. At the end of the day, I just love being out on the water, but it's so much nicer to end the day with something in the box.
I'll also take this opportunity to thank everyone for the information they share on this forum. It's helped me immensely, and is greatly appreciated.
I'll also take this opportunity to thank everyone for the information they share on this forum. It's helped me immensely, and is greatly appreciated.
