This is what you are fighting against. This is effecting you.

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I'm old school and had a little bit of a misspent youth by hanging out in pool halls and bars making pocket money while still in school. I can spot the grifters and hustlers like anyone that spent time getting their education out in the real world. I can also spot the marks like I see that are posting on this thread.

added: It was not Issac Newton that your thinking about there ILHG


Not sure what your saying. I was most definitely referring to Newton. He is one example of a "person of actual science". Perhaps you know the story of an apple falling out of a tree and hitting him on the head.

Let me summarize this way for you. The very foundation that science is based on is that no theory shall ever be declared as absolute and final truth.

History has 2 recent examples where this took place. This method was used by the Nazis, who claimed that their radical policies were the corollaries of biological facts. The communist who claimed that Marx & Lenin had divined and absolute economic truths that could never be refuted.

Modern science is based on the Latin injunction ignoramus "we dont know". It assumes that we dont know everything. Even more criticality, it accepts that the things that we think we know could be proven wrong as we gain more knowledge....

@GLG I would love to know your thoughts? Please tell everyone how foolish they would be for doubting your absolute scientific truth that folks like your self and our honorable Mister of Climate Change claim. In the past you would make a comment that referred to as being a right wing nut who (in your own words) chants "lock her up".

So please follow up with aposing arguments instead of throwing stones.
 
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At the beginning of the interview you will hear about the money put into Marine Planning.

Be advised that this is going to effect you this year and certainly into the future.

The effect will be among other things on fishing and access.

This has been done very quietly and at this point effects the northern waters from area 12 up.

This year it will effect the rest of the coast and I expect it will not be nice.

So expect to loose a lot more or if not then be prepared to really fight for your fishing.

Ask the chairs of the SFAC to get you the information on this.

They got a 600k grant from a reconciliation fund and for what? I do not no

https://mcconnellfoundation.ca/grant/tides-canada-foundation-2/

Tides Canada Foundation -- Marine Plan Partnership for the North Pacific Coast
 
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Not sure what your saying. I was most definitely referring to Newton. He is one example of a "person of actual science". Perhaps you know the story of an apple falling out of a tree and hitting him on the head.

Let me summarize this way for you. The very foundation that science is based on is that no theory shall ever be declared as absolute and final truth.

History has 2 recent examples where this took place. This method was used by the Nazis, who claimed that their radical policies were the corollaries of biological facts. The communist who claimed that Marx & Lenin had divined and absolute economic truths that could never be refuted.

Modern science is based on the Latin injunction ignoramus "we dont know". It assumes that we dont know everything. Even more criticality, it accepts that the things that we think we know could be proven wrong as we gain more knowledge....

@GLG I would love to know your thoughts? Please tell everyone how foolish they would be for doubting your absolute scientific truth that folks like your self and our honorable Mister of Climate Change claim. In the past you would make a comment that referred to as being a right wing nut who (in your own words) chants "lock her up".

So please follow up with aposing arguments instead of throwing stones.

Your words " Or he would say if God wanted you to know he would have given the knowledge in the bible. To dare think otherwise would have had you persecuted. Luckily there were a brave few who challenged this such as Issac Newton who decided to challenge what he was told."

This is an old story of Galileo, the father of modern science, not Issac Newton who was not even born when this happened.... Nice try though.... and no an apple did not fall on Newton's head. He was relaxing in an orchard contemplating why apples fall from trees in only one direction, down. That's when he started to formulate the theroy of gravity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
 
Your words " Or he would say if God wanted you to know he would have given the knowledge in the bible. To dare think otherwise would have had you persecuted. Luckily there were a brave few who challenged this such as Issac Newton who decided to challenge what he was

This is an old story of Galileo, the father of modern science, not Issac Newton who was not even born when this happened.... Nice try though.... and no an apple did not fall on Newton's head. He was relaxing in an orchard contemplating why apples fall from trees in only one direction, down. That's when he started to formulate the theroy of gravity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei


Omg.... Seriously???? You must use the same play book as Trudeau...

Let's drop the whole Newton thing because you do t get it. I said he was a man of science who challenged what was told to the pepole. Never did I bring up Galileo or was I referring to his story. You either are missing the point or trying to distract from it.

The comments I am looking for are regarding how you state climate science is an absolute truth that must not be challenged. You claim that to do so is to ignore science....


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Omg.... Seriously???? You must use the same play book as Trudeau...

Let's drop the whole Newton thing because you do t get it. I said he was a man of science who challenged what was told to the pepole. Never did I bring up Galileo or was I referring to his story. You either are missing the point or trying to distract from it.

The comments I am looking for are regarding how you state climate science is an absolute truth that must not be challenged. You claim that to do so is to ignore science....

Nice try ... you made a mistake and can't admit it so you double down. Anyone can see this but your right let's not speak of it. Yup I think that people that challenge the theroy of climate change like Moore and Lerh should be called out for what they are, grifters. They aren't climate scientist nor have they published anything of worth in the field. However they do make a rather good living on the nonsense as one of them lives just down the road.

Look I get it your an engineer and you have sworn an oath to protect the public. Fellas like you are the reason we don't have to pull over before we cross a bridge to check if it's safe. We know we can trust their work as they have spent the time to learn and science backs it up. But here is the thing.... would you cross that bridge if you knew that it was designed by a dentist with his bright idea? Same thing for climate science .... so when someone tell us that we should trust people that are not in the field and have not published anything that is even remotely close to that field. Well BS.... These fellas even deny physics behind CO2 for pete's sakes.

I'll remind you that gravity is still a theroy but no one is going to test the limit on that one.
 
Nice try ... you made a mistake and can't admit it so you double down. Anyone can see this but your right let's not speak of it. Yup I think that people that challenge the theroy of climate change like Moore and Lerh should be called out for what they are, grifters. They aren't climate scientist nor have they published anything of worth in the field. However they do make a rather good living on the nonsense as one of them lives just down the road.

Look I get it your an engineer and you have sworn an oath to protect the public. Fellas like you are the reason we don't have to pull over before we cross a bridge to check if it's safe. We know we can trust their work as they have spent the time to learn and science backs it up. But here is the thing.... would you cross that bridge if you knew that it was designed by a dentist with his bright idea? Same thing for climate science .... so when someone tell us that we should trust people that are not in the field and have not published anything that is even remotely close to that field. Well BS.... These fellas even deny physics behind CO2 for pete's sakes.

I'll remind you that gravity is still a theroy but no one is going to test the limit on that one.

So as you say you collected money in pool halls and bars while going to school. Does this make you a climate specialist? What degrees do you have that make you more credible than Moore or Lehr?
 
Gwyn Morgan: Talk about ‘collusion’: How foreign-backed anti-oil activists infiltrated Canada’s government
Piece by meticulously researched piece, Vivian Krause has spent almost 10 years exposing this story
Special to Financial Post
Gwyn Morgan

March 14, 2019
9:45 AM EDT
Canadians watching Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election might be tempted to find comfort in their certainty that such foreign interference could never happen here.

Except it already has. And while the Russian government at least denies interfering in American political affairs, the perpetrators who meddled in Canadian elections have publicly trumpeted their success in devising and executing their plan aimed at helping elect who they wanted.

This story has all the elements of a fiction novel. Unfortunately it’s real

This story has all the elements of a fiction novel. Unfortunately it’s real. Piece by meticulously researched piece, B.C.-based independent researcher Vivian Krause spent almost 10 years exposing the story. Every detail has been corroborated, including with American and Canadian tax records, together with documents and statements from the perpetrators themselves.

The story begins in 2008, when a group of radical American anti-fossil-fuel NGOs created their “Tar Sands Campaign Strategy 2.1” designed explicitly “to landlock the Canadian oil sands by delaying or blocking the expansion or development of key pipelines.” A list of key strategic targets included: “educating and organizing First Nations to challenge construction of pipelines across their traditional territories” and bringing “multiple actions in Canadian federal and provincial courts.” A “raising the negatives” section includes recruiting celebrity spokes-persons such as Leonardo Di Caprio to “lend their brand to opponents of tar sands and generating a high negative media profile for tar sands oil.”

What would become a massively disruptive intrusion into Canadian affairs would take years and a large amount of money. Enter the Rockefeller Foundation, the Hewlett Foundation, and the David and Lucile Packard Foundation. They, along with environmentalist charities, poured hundreds of millions of dollars into the U.S.-based Tides Foundation, a murky organization that provides cover as a legal laundering service that can funnel donations into activist groups, without revealing the source.

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Independent researcher Vivian Krause uncovered evidence of a U.S. led green campaign to landlock Alberta oil. Shaughn Butts / Postmedia
Since both American and Canadian tax laws require charities to document receipt and disbursement of funds, Krause was able to gather irrefutable evidence that tens of millions of dollars were transferred from Tides U.S. to its Tides Canada affiliate. Moreover, Krause was able to obtain 70 covering letters showing the recipients and how they used the funds.

They went towards mobilizing First Nations against the fear of oil spills, including payments to help build “indigenous solidarity resistance to pipeline routes,” to maintain “opposition to oil tankers” and to “provide legal support for actions constraining tar sands development.” Funding also went to the Great Bear Initiative Society to build support for designating the so-called “Spirit Bear” habitat as a nature reserve.

Payments went to the Pembina Institute to “advance…the narrative that oil sands expansion is problematic”; to Greenpeace Canada “for events to show opposition to pipelines and tar sands expansion”; to the Living Oceans Society “to build opposition to the Kinder Morgan Pipeline”; and to Forest Ethics “to conduct education and outreach opposing the Kinder Morgan and Northern Gateway pipelines.”

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But the American anti-oilsands funding effort didn’t stop at encouraging opposition to oil pipelines. The Victoria-based Dogwood Initiative received millions of dollars from Tides Canada to run get-out-the-vote campaigns in the 2017 B.C. provincial election, including deploying a throng of campaign workers in the riding of Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver. After his election, the B.C. government would be in the hands of an NDP/Green alliance bent on fighting the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Money was also funnelled to campaign activists working to help the Liberals win the 2015 election. Vancouver-based Leadnow received directly and through the B.C.-based Sisu Institute more than $1 million from Tides Canada towards the objective of defeating then prime minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, which supported expanding the oil and gas industry. Leadnow claims its campaigners helped defeat Conservative candidates in 25 ridings.

If it weren’t for all that American funding directed at a campaign mobilizing First Nations and other anti-pipeline activists, the Liberals might not have been so successful in running against the Harper Conservatives; but then, without the election of an ideologically anti-oilsands Liberal government, the funding for the anti-oilsands campaign might not have been enough, either. The website of the Tar Sands Campaign boasted until recently a quote from team leader Michael Marx: “The controversy from the campaign contributed to political victories at the provincial and national level in 2015 and led to bold climate commitments by Canadian leaders.” After the CBC reported this past January on the campaign (which the National Post and Financial Post, with Krause’s help, had been reporting on for years) on The Weekly hosted by Wendy Mesley, Marx’s quote was taken off the campaign’s site. (The episode is very much worth watching.)

But the campaigners received a bonus beyond their wildest dreams when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appointed one of their most dedicated eco-warriors as his principal secretary. Prior to ascending to the most powerful post in the Prime Minister’s Office, from 2008 to 2012 Gerald Butts was president and CEO of World Wildlife Fund Canada (WWF Canada), an important Tides campaign partner. Butts would use his new powerful position to bring other former campaigners with him: Marlo Raynolds‏, chief of staff to Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, is past executive director of the Tides-backed Pembina Institute. Zoë Caron, chief of staff to Natural Resource Minister Amarjeet Sohi, is also a former WWF Canada official. Sarah Goodman, on the prime minister’s staff, is a former vice-president of Tides Canada. With these anti-oil activists at the epicentre of federal power, it’s no wonder the oil industry, and hundreds of thousands of workers, have plummeted into political and policy purgatory.

Now, Butts, the architect of this economic and social disaster and national-unity crisis has resigned amid a scandal alleging inappropriate favours for SNC-Lavalin. I wonder if this resignation will pay as well as the last one: When Butts resigned from WWF Canada to join the PMO, Krause discovered that he subsequently received two separate payments from WWF Canada totalling $361,642. When Krause asked him about it, he explained in a May 26, 2016 tweet that: “It was my contract severance.” That’s startling. Over my entire career leading one of Canada’s largest companies and serving as a director of four others, I have never heard of “severance” paid when someone decided to quit.

But then, in a way, Butts never did. He would prove to be as or more useful to the anti-oilsands activists at WWF Canada and other hard-core environmental groups being inside the government, rather than outside it. From one job to the next, he never stopped fighting Alberta’s oilpatch.

That is the latest sorrowful chapter in this scandalous story — a story that never could have been told without the determination of Vivian Krause, a real Canadian patriot who dedicated 10 years uncovering the truth.

Gwyn Morgan is the retired founding CEO of Encana Corp.
 
But the American anti-oilsands funding effort didn’t stop at encouraging opposition to oil pipelines. The Victoria-based Dogwood Initiative received millions of dollars from Tides Canada to run get-out-the-vote campaigns in the 2017 B.C. provincial election, including deploying a throng of campaign workers in the riding of Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver. After his election, the B.C. government would be in the hands of an NDP/Green alliance bent on fighting the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion
 
Sigh....Yet another thread that has nothing to do with fishing falling into the political double speak and games best left to be discussed somewhere else because, well you know, the sky is falling...no, no, I meant the sky is full of man made CO2, no...that's all BS made up by your scientists who are stupider than my scientists, no...I have that wrong...your scientists are the stupidest...in fact they aren't even scientists they are cosmetologists...no wait, those people apply makeup for a living...

Sorry for the sarcasm this morning but seriously, how many times do we need to state that these discussions are not welcome here because they end up like a dog chasing it's tail and usually get personal and require a cleanup for members who are generally really great guys. We get you are passionate and we appreciate that. We just want you to direct that passion to fishing topics only on this particular site.
 
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