LOL, one could easily say the same for your "rant"!
Do you want a list of all the examples of corporate corruption and influence over the years? YES there should be passion, anger and even rage over corruption! If there wasn't where would accountability, consequences and justice be in our society? History has shown again and again that it has been the actions of concerned individuals that have fought against corruption in all its forms that have brought about positive, needed changes in the world. What has not brought about these needed changes is people saying we should not question things too much because we have it pretty good now.
No one is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, just pointing out obvious, ongoing corruption and environmental damage that needs to be stopped. Your opinion (supported with a few selected bits of data) that now is the best time to live in history is just that - an opinion, one of many that could be made. Ask the millions in the world today that do not have enough food, money, housing, education, employment, basic human rights, protection from injustice, abuse, slavery and war, etc, if they agree with your opinion if this is the best time in human history to live? I am sure that they could back up their "emotions" on this with lots of documented facts if needed if they answered no. Yes in many ways life is better now than ever (my opinion), but one could also argue with facts (not emotion) that in some ways life is also not so good now. Passion is good, ignorance and inattention of corruption is destructive. My 2 bits.
True that for people if all you look at is life expectancy. Not so true that for many other species we share this planet with;Someone poke my eyes out. Please tell me what facts you have that people are "worse off today" then any time on the planet. This is easy - THERE ARE NONE- this is not an opinion. Period. So, let's go back to the good old days when people in China were starving, people in India were starving... Yep sounds much better. Please - the millions today are half what they were 30 years ago... Come on, this isn't even disputed! Let's go back to the days of Polio, Tuberculosis, ... really. Tell us how vaccinations are bad.... good grief.
Fisherfolk ,firefolk ,garbagefolk ,the best one is getting pulled over for speeding by a policefolk...er.Or those fisherfolk...er's are ruining my reelection plans.Come on! We are all Fisherfolks here, just like the Firefolk and policefolk and garbagefolk...this according to Liberal speak.
Someone poke my eyes out. Please tell me what facts you have that people are "worse off today" then any time on the planet. This is easy - THERE ARE NONE- this is not an opinion. Period. So, let's go back to the good old days when people in China were starving, people in India were starving... Yep sounds much better. Please - the millions today are half what they were 30 years ago... Come on, this isn't even disputed! Let's go back to the days of Polio, Tuberculosis, ... really. Tell us how vaccinations are bad.... good grief.
I think the greater point is getting lost on this thread. Not a climate denier, not a head in the sand, see no evil, just telling you all that we are living in the best of times, not the worst. 40 years ago discussing climate change would have been ridiculous in the context of oil shortages, cold war, aids epidemic, starvation.... Yep, species die off - sometimes we can do more to help and we should. But, I think helping kids in third world countries get vaccinations might be a higher and more worthy goal. One of those kids might be the next genius who helps solve even bigger problems...True that for people if all you look at is life expectancy. Not so true that for many other species we share this planet with;
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No need to poke your eyes out, how about being open to understand the difference between an opinion and fact. Being passionate about an opinion doesn't it change it into fact that then no one can ever disagree with or prove otherwise with other facts.
Lets be clear I never said people are worse off today, however you did say that people are better off today then ever before. That by definition (see below) is an opinion, not a fact. Why? Because other information and facts can be presented to prove otherwise depending on one's point of view or opinion. My point is that there are still many serious problems in the world that humans need to deal with (many of them increasing with severity over time, especially with increasing human population growth) and minimizing taking action on them based upon an opinion that we are better off now than ever before is not a good course of action in my opinion.
Sigh...did you read my message? I am talking about Fish Farms. Just clarified an opinion and wanted to get back on topic. Thanks for the heads up, not trying to cause any grief, hopefully you can see my intention is to stop talking about definitions and just sort through some facts on FF's.Hey Stephen
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THESE ARE MARINE HARVEST’S OWN WORDS. Re: Fish Farms
I disagree Stephen. If we removed all the Farms from Clayoquot Sound it would make a world of difference to the Wild Fish there. Reports of up to 90% of the outgoing smolts this year and last year were covered in sea lice from the Farms there. That's a lot more than 'minimal impact', to use your words. That is MY opinion.
Proof of no harm is supposed to be demonstrated by the proponent - but since the FFs have consistently managed to avoid environmental assessments - unlike other industries - very few places (if any) have had robust and complete baseline data done on things like background levels of sea lice done before they booted-up. AND....
Since FF disease outbreaks are kept hidden, as well - hard to understand what impacts those released diseases have had on adjacent wild stocks.
Not seeing acknowledgement that industries that "pollute" should generate data/info as to their impacts - like other industries...
Welcome Stephen. You remind me of two previous posters who asked pertinent questions, made too much sense, and basically pissed off many members here. They are now banned from this site.
Hope you stick around.