where were you when they picked the negotiating team??
Could ask the same of you, or were you there?
where were you when they picked the negotiating team??
Since we have been bouncing info back and forth for a bit here, is this question directed at me?
If so, did you mean for it to be rehtorical?
If not... my answer is;
I was not and still am not in the loop for forming a negotiation team, to put it honestly I have not actively pursued these issues at hand today in the past, just had my head down and wasn't paying attention. My attention is captured now, and although I personally am not in a position in life to sit in on full time negotiations, I am willing to contribute in any way possible to enact a change. I want there to be something left for my kids and their kids. I want to see the system fixed.
There is no better day than today to make a change, if what we are doing today isn't working!
Could ask the same of you, or were you there?
Yes it was directed at you. Your posts make sense and you are obviously willing to look outside the box for solutions. I have no idea who ding dong is but I believe he is on the right track in the sense that I would question if gov would make a substantial change without addressing some of the other issues.
I respect the point that rec fishermen resent the lack of accountability card when dfo is not willing to provide the tools to move forward. I also know that the commercials are not willing to budge until the accounting gets far better. The reason behind that is the commies are under the impression that there is already close to 20% or better being taken by the rec sector, but again without decent numbers who really knows.
So i guess all the canadians we guides take out shouldn't be allowed to catch halibut with out paying for quota on top of my charter rates. These Canadian buy a fish license just like the canadians with there own boat, there's no difference.
Kelly get rid of this dork he has nothing construtive to say,he just keeps beating a dead horse about com sport.
great you found that lorne is sueing DFO and named the PHMA in the case as well ... I am very familiar with the case.
Definitly better to find a solution then to have one stuffed down your throat.
Interesting reading Charlie. Thanks LARGE for that.
From what I was able to determine, as of 2008, both The Gov and the PHMA had applied to have the Writ stricken (terminated), and that the Plaintiff's Legal Team responded with minor changes to keep it alive. So, as of then, the case was still very much active.
Any word on what, if anything has developed since then?
And,
Does the PHMA still receive 10% of the overall quota directly from the Minister, or has that been quashed due to this action?
VERY interesting ramifications regardless of how the current disposition sits. It would be truly useful to understand the answers to the two questions I have posed...
Cheers,
Nog
PS: Anyone "very familiar with the case" is encouraged to pipe in any time...
Let’s move to what I understand is the Washington State Halibut Allocation Model and take the First Nations Allocation off the top them divide the remaining allocation 50% commercial/50% recreational. That would be fair for everyone and much better for the BC economy.
Given the apparent pro-commercial bias that the FEDs and DFO have had for years and the lack of credibility their number crunching has had related to other issues, I am not sure I trust them to come up with unbiased statistical analysis of the recreational halibut catch. So far they seem hell bent on not fairly adjusting the halibut allocation, supporting the continuation of the quota process and continuing their agenda of privatizing our fish.
I would not be surprised at all if they do their analysis in such a way as to support their agenda and anti-Recreational Sector bias. At the very least I think we need recreational sector scrutinizers and monitors of their stats. process and not have it done in house by DFO, but rather by a contracted CA firm mutually agreed upon. You will have to forgive us but we have learned to be suspicious of DFO’s politically driven agendas and number crunching process’s and there is little trust left.
Let’s move to what I understand is the Washington State Halibut Allocation Model and take the First Nations Allocation off the top them divide the remaining allocation 50% commercial/50% recreational. That would be fair for everyone and much better for the BC economy.
Given the apparent pro-commercial bias that the FEDs and DFO have had for years and the lack of credibility their number crunching has had related to other issues, I am not sure I trust them to come up with unbiased statistical analysis of the recreational halibut catch. So far they seem hell bent on not fairly adjusting the halibut allocation, supporting the continuation of the quota process and continuing their agenda of privatizing our fish.
I would not be surprised at all if they do their analysis in such a way as to support their agenda and anti-Recreational Sector bias. At the very least I think we need recreational sector scrutinizers and monitors of their stats. process and not have it done in house by DFO, but rather by a contracted CA firm mutually agreed upon. You will have to forgive us but we have learned to be suspicious of DFO’s politically driven agendas and number crunching process’s and there is little trust left.
Do you not understand.Cheers All,
Interesting to see this threat continue but still sad it is an adverserial positon...us against them (sportsfishermen vs commercial fishermen, local M.P., Minster of Fisheries, Conservative Government). However...this sleeping giant has awoke and NEVER in my life will I endure what is happening in Eastern Canada with their significant loss of resource opportunities. Not on my watch...
Interesting meeting on Wednesday with the new South Coast DFO rep who adressed the Nanaimo Sport Fishing Advisory Board meeting. He was quite upfront that he personally as well as professionally supported the numbers proposed by IHPC as well as the numbers presented by DFO in their catch statistics.
Personally I am not so confident in their numbers. I think that if the true numbers were logged we would see the sports sector caught way less halibut last year than what the DFO numbers suggest. However...we will never know...as there is very little to replace the system they use. I do have some comfort that IHPC accepts their numbers ( I respect the professionalism of this entity) and their comfort provides some respite.
My preference is to have the entire halibut taken away from commercial interests and leased out at a reasonable price (25-50% of the landed price) to provide a good source of income to the fishermen as well as an important source of income to DFO to manage the fishery. It defies common sense why this was never done before or why they would not jump at this opportunity to obtain funding.
A fallback position would be take the FN food and ceremonial fish off the top (not obscured numbers that are used to justify sales but ONLY the needed fish then divide the rest of the TAC 50% / 50% between commercial and sports with the FN commercial coming from the commercial side. Again...I am totally and vehimently opposed to buying these fish from the commercials. They were given and, as such, they can be taken. The opportunity to compensate was errased long ago with the intransigence of the commercial side.
Then sports can fish, FN has their share and the commercials who wish to fish can at a reasonable price and the proceeds go back into the fishery. Makes much more sense than the status quo....
Do you not understand.
56% of commerical qouta has been bought and sold within the commerical sector for millions of dollars .Many commerical fisherman have huge loans to pay for there qouta and you just want to step in and take 35% for f all and let them go bankrupt. How would you like it if someone took 35% of your income and you had a big morgage? You have to think of something better than that.You want to play you have to pay.
Do you not understand.
56% of commerical qouta has been bought and sold within the commerical sector for millions of dollars .Many commerical fisherman have huge loans to pay for there qouta and you just want to step in and take 35% for f all and let them go bankrupt. How would you like it if someone took 35% of your income and you had a big morgage? You have to think of something better than that.You want to play you have to pay.
Well, too bad if someone was stupid enough to pay a lot of money for something that is worth nothing because it was for free and not guaranteed. Sounds similar to many of those foul mortgage investments down south that were traded blindly to investors assuming they are worth something. Guess what happened to a lot of them? Bankrupt, foreclosure etc. Now, a few got a healthy tax payers bail out. Ain't happening here - no tax payers bailout for misinvesting fishermen. Sorry, out of luck. They should have thought this through before shelling out the cash.