Strangers in a Strange Land - 3 unidentified Orcas spotted in Vancouver Harbour

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3 unidentified orcas spotted in Vancouver Harbour never before documented in B.C.
Experts say the unfamiliar whales could belong to a rarely seen killer whale population from the high seas

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Orcas appear in Vancouver Harbour from time to time and often delight residents who catch a glimpse of them. But marine experts say three whales spotted there last week are unlike any previously recorded in B.C. waters.

The whales, which have been seen over several days swimming between the Lions Gate Bridge and the Second Narrows Bridge, appear to belong to an Alaska population, according to Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO).

The department says its scientists are now studying the animals, which it says have not been "previously documented" in the province, to better understand their behaviour.

"We will be able to share more once our whale experts have completed their assessment of the available information," the federal institution said in a statement.

A DFO science team from Nanaimo, B.C., has been on the water observing the whales as part of that assessment.

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A killer whale surfaces in Vancouver Harbour, with container ships, port cranes and the city skyline in the background.
One of the three killer whales swims through Vancouver Harbour near container ships and the downtown skyline. (Alex Coles/Howe Sound and Sea to Sky Wildlife Sightings Group)

Jared Towers, executive director of Bay Cetology, says about 99.5 per cent of the time, orcas photographed in the Salish Sea are well-known whales, most commonly transient orcas, also known as Bigg's killer whales.

Those whales inhabit the coastal waters and feed primarily on marine mammals, particularly coastal seals and sea lions, and are closely tracked by researchers.

But the three orcas spotted recently don't belong to the population of Bigg's killer whales that normally live here, which Towers said means they are genetically distinct and have different DNA and vocalizations.

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Two killer whales swimming in a harbour with port facilities and industrial buildings visible along the shoreline in the background.
Marine researchers say the unfamiliar orcas, as seen in this undated photograph, were recently spotted moving through the busy harbour for several days. (Frederick DeNisco/The Orca Man)
"Every killer whale looks unique, just like people," Towers said. "By taking photographs of their dorsal fins, their saddle patches and the white eye patch behind the eye, we can recognize individuals and track them over time."

He says many whales seen in B.C. waters have been documented through photo identification for decades.

"It's quite rare for whales that have never been photographed before in B.C. to show up," Towers said.

He says researchers have been able to match the three whales with a single previous sighting near Anchorage, Alaska, about 1,200 nautical miles away, recorded almost a year ago.

Signs they may be oceanic whales
Experts say it isn't clear as to what might have prompted the whales to travel all the way to Vancouver but one clue to where they may have come from lies in distinctive scars near their dorsal fins.

Josh McInnes, a marine mammal researcher at the University of British Columbia, says one of the whales spotted had a circular bite mark on the grey saddle patch behind their fins.

A killer whale’s dorsal fin and saddle patch break the surface of the water.
A close-up photo shows the saddle patch of one of the killer whales recently seen in Vancouver Harbour. The small circular scar is believed to be from a cookiecutter shark, which one researcher says suggests the whales are from the open ocean and not coastal transient orcas that are usually seen in Vancouver. (Alex Coles/Howe Sound and Sea to Sky Wildlife Sightings Group)
Those marks, he says, are believed to come from cookiecutter sharks, which live far offshore in deep, open waters.

"Killer whales that we see with these marks primarily occur in open-ocean habitats," McInnes said.

UBC researchers have catalogued more than 150 oceanic killer whales off the outer coasts of California, Oregon and B.C., but sightings close to shore are extremely rare.

"We've never seen them this far into coastal waters," McInnes said.



Still, other experts say it's too early to say exactly which population the animals belong to.

"I think it would be really interesting if they were oceanic killer whales," said Aly Kohlman, a marine naturalist based in Nanaimo, B.C. "But as far as which population they belong to, we need a lot more time with them before we can actually say for sure."

Psychologically trapped in the harbour?
The whales were first observed last week in Burrard Inlet and for about the last four days, have been spending much of that time in the busy harbour.

Kohlman says that behaviour is unusual.

"With wild transient killer whales, we don't typically see them spend extended periods of time in one given area," she said. "They're constantly on the move."

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Two killer whales swim near an industrial barge and cranes.
Marine researchers say the unfamiliar orcas lingered in the harbour for several days, raising concerns they may have been 'psychologically trapped' in the noisy, high-traffic waterway. (Frederick DeNisco/The Orca Man)
She says the whales may have become “psychologically trapped” in the waterways, which are busy with cargo ships, ferries, recreational boats, sea bus and sea plane traffic moving through the inlet.

"These whales are just not used to this sort of chaotic harbor … they're not physically trapped there, but maybe they're scared."

Researchers say there haven't been any sightings as of Monday evening but it isn't confirmed if they have left.

Orcas and dolphins caught on video collaborating to hunt salmon
Researchers are urging people who photograph the whales to upload images to Finwave.io, which helps researchers identify individual orcas.

But experts stress that the animals should be given plenty of room.

Under Canada's Marine Mammal Regulations, vessels must stay at least 400 metres away from killer whales in southern B.C. coastal waters.
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Note-I've seen pods of so called 'offshores' on the outer coast of Haida Gwaii off northern BC but they were smaller animals.
 
Last time I saw members of their presumed population they were eating a Pygmy sperm whale. My colleagues and wrote it up a few years ago. Hopefully this link works.

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Works perfectly. Would love the ngo animal huggers to know they are whale killers. Passed lots of loud ferries and boats to get into the harbour.
 
Works perfectly. Would love the ngo animal huggers to know they are whale killers. Passed lots of loud ferries and boats to get into the harbour.
The article was pretty clear that these animals are suspected to be part of this relatively poorly known outer coast population that is known to feed on mammals at least part of the time.

As smart as they are, kw (and other whales) are not perfect and there are many records of them getting lost and/or trapped. There’s a lot to learn and it’s pretty irresponsible to assume that humans have them all figured out. In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning-Kruger with whales.
 
The article was pretty clear that these animals are suspected to be part of this relatively poorly known outer coast population that is known to feed on mammals at least part of the time.

As smart as they are, kw (and other whales) are not perfect and there are many records of them getting lost and/or trapped. There’s a lot to learn and it’s pretty irresponsible to assume that humans have them all figured out. In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning-Kruger with whales.
Really? I had two skippers who are marine biologists and one of my best friends and a member here is a lifetime fisherman was the CEO of the west coast largest marine Fisheries monitoring organization. One was on the pacific halibut commission for decades, daughter is a marine biologist that has presented to the UN and who I have fished with. They wouldn’t speculate about the psychological state of a whales that they saw a couple of photographs of. Lots of whale fans on land and fishers are experts.
 
Really? I had two skippers who are marine biologists and one of my best friends and a member here is a lifetime fisherman was the CEO of the west coast largest marine Fisheries monitoring organization. One was on the pacific halibut commission for decades, daughter is a marine biologist that has presented to the UN and who I have fished with. They wouldn’t speculate about the psychological state of a whales that they saw a couple of photographs of. Lots of whale fans on land and fishers are experts.
I'm sure your friends are well qualified in their respective fields but just because they may be the CEO of the pacific halibut commission or are a marine biologist (a very broad term) that presented (what?) to the UN, it doesn't sound like any of them are particularly well qualified to comment on North Pacific killer whale ecology. When it comes to killer whales, Jared Towers is an established and respected expert. He may not be the best person to speculate on matters surrounding halibut.

For the record, nobody's definitively saying that the whales are "psychologically trapped"; just that it could be the case given that the whales are not known from our local populations. Jury's still out on what population the whales are from. In the North Pacific, once you get beyond the Biggs, SRKW, NRKW, the populations are far less well known and poorly understood. There are offshores, ETPs, Gulf of Alaska Ts, and likely multiple different populations of mammal and fish eaters in the Aleutians and into Kamchatka and Japan.
 
they followed that animals that followed the herring, none of this is rocket science. We have all seen the abundance of food in their, harbor seals, harbor purposes, humpback whales ect

The psychological trapped because of ship traffic is just ENGO, donate now to save the whales BS, Blame society and humans booohooooo cry me a river
 
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they followed that animals that followed the herring, none of this is rocket science. We have all seen the abundance of food in their, harbor seals, harbor purposes, humpback whales ect

The psychological trapped because of ship traffic is just ENGO, donate now to save the whales BS, Blame society and humans booohooooo cry me a river
@kaelc my point exactly. Everyone's an expert on the internet. ;)
 
The article was pretty clear that these animals are suspected to be part of this relatively poorly known outer coast population that is known to feed on mammals at least part of the time.

As smart as they are, kw (and other whales) are not perfect and there are many records of them getting lost and/or trapped. There’s a lot to learn and it’s pretty irresponsible to assume that humans have them all figured out. In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning people on this board may perhaps be one of the finest examples I’ve seen of the Dunning-Kruger effect

Not a real good look. Insulting everyone on here with your “I’m smarter than all of you” attitude. The Dunning-Kruger effect takes many forms…..maybe reflect on your own comments.
 
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Not a real good look. Insulting everyone on here your “I’m smarter than all of you” attitude. The Dunning-Kruger effect takes many forms…..maybe reflect on your own comments.
I'm not insulting everyone here. I am merely pointing out that there are a lot of folks that think they know more than they do about things they do not. I'm hardly an expert on anything but I have spent my entire adult life working on NP killer whale ecology and have plenty of experience with the intersection of fish and whale science/politics.

Just look at the local history of killer whales in the North Pacific (and elsewhere) and you'll see a pretty solid pattern of misunderstanding. Remember when there was a machine gun mounted on the rocks in Campbell River to shoot at killer whales? That was around the same time the common knowledge told us there were thousands of whales and if you got in the water with them they'd kill you immediately. Everyone thought Dr. Mike Bigg was nuts for suggesting photo-ID could tell the whales apart. Turns out the "common knowledge" was way off.

Edit: I'm not sure how you got your quote as what you quoted is not what I posted. The last sentence in particular appears to be significantly different.
 
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Edit: I'm not sure how you got your quote as what you quoted is not what I posted. The last sentence in particular appears to be significantly different.

Back-peddle attempts when your post is EXACTLY as described doesn't help your cause.
In fact it works against that.

"In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning-Kruger with whales."
 
Back-peddle attempts when your post is EXACTLY as described doesn't help your cause.
In fact it works against that.

"In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning-Kruger with whales."
Based on my experience working with SRKW, vaquita in Mexico, and false killer whales in Hawaii, I stand by my statement which is accurately quoted above. If fishers were relied upon to be the experts in these cases there'd be no more SRKW, vaquita, or inshore population of FKW in Hawaii.

I have no idea where Pescador got this word salad in his "quote": In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning people on this board may perhaps be one of the finest examples I’ve seen of the Dunning-Kruger effect
 
Based on my experience working with SRKW, vaquita in Mexico, and false killer whales in Hawaii, I stand by my statement which is accurately quoted above. If fishers were relied upon to be the experts in these cases there'd be no more SRKW, vaquita, or inshore population of FKW in Hawaii.

I have no idea where Pescador got this word salad in his "quote": In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning people on this board may perhaps be one of the finest examples I’ve seen of the Dunning-Kruger effect
it is a direct quote from your post today:


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Works perfectly. Would love the ngo animal huggers to know they are whale killers. Passed lots of loud ferries and boats to get into the harbour.
The article was pretty clear that these animals are suspected to be part of this relatively poorly known outer coast population that is known to feed on mammals at least part of the time.

As smart as they are, kw (and other whales) are not perfect and there are many records of them getting lost and/or trapped. There’s a lot to learn and it’s pretty irresponsible to assume that humans have them all figured out. In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning-Kruger with whales.
 
I have no idea where Pescador got this word salad in his "quote": In my experience as a life-long fisherman and marine biologist, fishers are probably the worst demographic for Dunning people on this board may perhaps be one of the finest examples I’ve seen of the Dunning-Kruger effect

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WROTE!!


You are rapidly losing credibility by denying this.

Might want to rethink your approach...
 
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