Species Limit

[M1SF1T]

If the species limit is 2 hatchery coho in region 14 does that apply to region 14 only?

For example if I shoot up to region 13 the species limit is also 2 hatchery coho.

My daily limit from all sources is 4 salmon of any type. My understanding would be that I could take 4 coho, 2 from 13, 2 from 14 in a day.

Species limits attach to specific management units in the regulations. Whereas daily/annual/possession limits are Coast wide.

Thoughts?

 

[M1SF1T]

I called the local fisheries office and he didn't "know" but suggested the more conservative approach.

I would like to know how the rule is applied though.

 

[Tomfoolery]

I have decided to go to law school so I can better interpret the DFO regs before I go fishing.

 

[Rad Gumbo]

Once again , the clowns running the show , give us no answer. Just confusion

 

[Eden Island]

I called the local fisheries office and he didn't "know" but suggested the more conservative approach.

I would like to know how the rule is applied though.

I'd suggest you ask in writing -- and then get an answer in writing. Please share!

 

[Gong Show]

I have decided to go to law school so I can better interpret the DFO regs before I go fishing.

I have been to law school, it does not help, in fact it will further infuriate you that something so simple cannot be absolutely devoid of logic.
It is like saying you will go to website creation school to figure out how to navigate the DFO website.

 

[Tomfoolery]

I have been to law school, it does not help, in fact it will further infuriate you that something so simple cannot be absolutely devoid of logic.
It is like saying you will go to website creation school to figure out how to navigate the DFO website.

Ha, so true. It seems to get worse every year and I can't count the number of times I have puzzled over the regs trying to figure out what they are saying. For example just the other day I was puzzling over the groundfish regs for area 17 and they refer to codfish, but then never cross reference what they mean by a codfish or show anywhere I could find what they define a codfish. I presume they refer to Pacific cod and those species not listed, but then you can never presume stuff with these guys as it could be a number of different fish. I am sure it is somewhere, but the website is so bad I could spend years running in circles trying to find the reference. You would think that maybe, just maybe they would have a definition of 'codfish' in the glossary to refer to the 10,000 times they refer to codfish in the regs, but no.

 

[Bryan Allen]

If the species limit is 2 hatchery coho in region 14 does that apply to region 14 only?

For example if I shoot up to region 13 the species limit is also 2 hatchery coho.

My daily limit from all sources is 4 salmon of any type. My understanding would be that I could take 4 coho, 2 from 13, 2 from 14 in a day.

Species limits attach to specific management units in the regulations. Whereas daily/annual/possession limits are Coast wide.

Thoughts?

wrong,,,

 

[Deepaaaar]

I'm pretty sure you can only have, at most, the daily limit for the area you're fishing in your possession. That would mean that since you already had two hatch coho when you moved areas, you'd already have your limit, even though they didn't come from that area. If you moved from an area allowing two hatch coho to an area that allows four, you could then keep two more.

 

[M1SF1T]

wrong,,,

Super constructive post...

 

[j.lalani]

I'm pretty sure you can only have, at most, the daily limit for the area you're fishing in your possession. That would mean that since you already had two hatch coho when you moved areas, you'd already have your limit, even though they didn't come from that area. If you moved from an area allowing two hatch coho to an area that allows four, you could then keep two more.

this is how I thought it was.

 

[tinboatrobb]

Trolling......

 

[M1SF1T]

I'm pretty sure you can only have, at most, the daily limit for the area you're fishing in your possession. That would mean that since you already had two hatch coho when you moved areas, you'd already have your limit, even though they didn't come from that area. If you moved from an area allowing two hatch coho to an area that allows four, you could then keep two more.

OK.

What if I'm an area that allows 4 coho and I move to an area that is 2? Do I have to put 2 back?

But of course you can have more than the daily limit in your possession.

"Coastwide - When Open, the possession limit for salmon is twice the daily limit."

"Coastwide - 4 - The daily limit for all species of Pacific salmon from tidal and fresh waters combined is four. Individual species limits also apply."

 

[M1SF1T]

Trolling......

Or jigging... whatever... however you catch the fish...

 

[M1SF1T]

A comparison would be BC hunting regulations. You have a regional bag limit and a whole province bag limit.

That's what it seems is being detailed in the fisheries regulations. Area daily limits vs. Coastwide limits.

 

[fish brain]

OK.

What if I'm an area that allows 4 coho and I move to an area that is 2? Do I have to put 2 back?

But of course you can have more than the daily limit in your possession.

"Coastwide - When Open, the possession limit for salmon is twice the daily limit."

"Coastwide - 4 - The daily limit for all species of Pacific salmon from tidal and fresh waters combined is four. Individual species limits also apply."

I would think that moving from an area that allows four to two would put you into your possession limit. You would have to be able to prove you were in an area that allows 4 coho.

How about area 23 where you can keep one wild coho. Then you move to area 123 where you are not allowed a wild coho, but you have a wild from area 23 in the boat that you caught earlier in the day?

 

[M1SF1T]

So what if I'm in an area that allows 4 coho and I'm there for 2 days so have 8? Now I'm traveling in my boat down coast. Are you saying I'm now over my possession limit? Or maybe I have a 2 springs from an overnight trip to Toba and I'm coming back to Campbell River through all the other subareas if 13 that chinook are still closed. If possession were 2x daily species limits I'd be illegal. Everyone would have to eat their fish before coming home

Possession limit falls under the table in "Restrictions" where the Daily limit for all species combined is specified as 4. There is no individual species limits in that table other than the annual limits. Species limits are in a separate table.

 

[M1SF1T]

And I'm not trying to be a dick. But that's the way the regulations seem to be written. As it's written vs intent is unclear.

 

[scott craven]

As we don't mark coho on the license yet, (although I can see it coming) I think you would have a problem with 4 on board in an area regulated for 2.
The regs for Chinook are much cleaner. Mark fish on the license in the area caught, 2 fish daily up to 10 annual.
As long as each fish is marked in the area caught, it's no problem moving to another area to fish.

 

[Gong Show]

As we don't mark coho on the license(yet, although I can see it coming) I think you would have a problem with 4 on board in an area regulated for 2.
The regs for Chinook are much cleaner. Mark fish on the license in the area caught, 2 fish daily up to 10 annual.
As long as each fish is marked in the area caught, it's no problem moving to another area to fish.

I think best practice would be to run a fishing log and take some pictures.
We do this on WCVI when inshore and offshore regs differ.