If I'm fishing a hot area like Nootka when the clients are one fish away from possesion limits I'll switch all the gear up to plugs and larger spoons which almost always hook the fish in the lips and you get very few bleeders. Personally while the purest form of fishing I think that cut plugging results in more hooks being taken deeper than any other method.
Saltwater Catch and Release?
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dougthefisher
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Not going to argue with you. as far as I,m concerned you can take all the fish you want they are not going to be extinct before I die.
Maybe should be some law changes. Here in California, we have to use barbless hooks, and if bait, then barbless circle hooks. Very low fish mortality this way. We have to release those under 24", so there are going to be C&R salmon. Some mortality, but can be reduced a bunch with proper equipment.
searun
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We are over thinking this. Ukee hit nail on the head. Look at the statistical probability that a significant number of fish are being released after someone tubbing out. Facts (based on the catch surveys) are that very few anglers actually catch their limit. That's not to say that we shouldn't look for ways to limit the potential impact on catch mortality - I totally support that. Just saying that we might be stressing over a relatively small problem when you consider the coast wide situation.
wildthing
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_salmon
http://www.wildpacificsalmon.com/site/680079/PAGE/505911
a little bit of light reading ............
so lets debate" no fishing in rivers" when the fish are returning as its not sporting
.... leave 'em be to reproduce in peace .
and i'll agree on that for sure ....
http://www.wildpacificsalmon.com/site/680079/PAGE/505911
a little bit of light reading ............
so lets debate" no fishing in rivers" when the fish are returning as its not sporting
.... leave 'em be to reproduce in peace .
and i'll agree on that for sure ....
Fishtank
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Well then we should be debating the the whole steelhead fishery because there in the river to spawn are they not?
fish brain
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I have a problem with the fall coho fishery on south Vancouver island. Last year my buddy and I had a 25 plus fish day looking for our hatchery fish to make our limit. All day long I felt like I was molesting fish unnessasarily to meet some DFO requirement for hatchery fish.
In all it was a fun day on the water, but I'm sure that at least one of those "released" wild fish did not survive, I think I would rather fill my tag and go home early with my small bleeding fish than throw it back and and keep fishing for "legal" fish.
Same thing goes with the over/ under requirements in area 20 right now, having to release wild fish over 67cm (not that there are lots around right now, but if it's questoinable I'd rather keep it
In all it was a fun day on the water, but I'm sure that at least one of those "released" wild fish did not survive, I think I would rather fill my tag and go home early with my small bleeding fish than throw it back and and keep fishing for "legal" fish.
Same thing goes with the over/ under requirements in area 20 right now, having to release wild fish over 67cm (not that there are lots around right now, but if it's questoinable I'd rather keep it
Peahead
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I get your opinion and see where its coming from but just curious what you'd suggest to those that pay for a license to fish but don't care to retain any ? .....so are you saying those fishers shouldn't be allowed to fish (catch and release) at all then ? They didn't bonk there limit first so shouldn't they be commended for releasing everything ? I'd suggest that maybe the issue here is for all to learn the best methods for catch and release to cause the least amount of harm to released fish.
Exactly what I was thinking and posted the same question ...... I think if we were comparing survival rates of killed limits vs catch and released fish I'd bet the higher rate of survival would be the released fish
harper44
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This conversation seems ridiculous to me. How do you condone retaining a species on one hand and not condone catch and release of that same species at the same location with the same method on the other hand? It makes no sense to me. If you think that catch and release has a significant impact on that fishery, how could you possibly justify retention of that species in that area?
All these scenario are all cool in my book. Straight C&R, leaving a hole in your limit for a bleeder, grabbing your limit and running, grabbing your limit then C&R til the sun goes down... It's all good. An ethical fisherman recognizes that maybe his gear selection is causing excessive bleeders or deep hooks and makes a change, or slows the boat down when Hooked up while C&R fishing to speed up landing the fish, practices good release techniques to further reduce mortality. Although we want to keep mortality as low as possible and reduce our impact on stocks, a dead fish in the ocean never goes to waste, more of that fish will be consumed and metabolized in the water by other marine life then will ever happen on our dinner plates.
At the end of the day, the concerted efforts of a growing population of ethical and enthusiastic sport anglers getting out on the water as much as possible will do more good than harm for our oceans weather they're killing their catch or not.
Tight lines weather you're just out for practice or playing for keeps [emoji6]
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All these scenario are all cool in my book. Straight C&R, leaving a hole in your limit for a bleeder, grabbing your limit and running, grabbing your limit then C&R til the sun goes down... It's all good. An ethical fisherman recognizes that maybe his gear selection is causing excessive bleeders or deep hooks and makes a change, or slows the boat down when Hooked up while C&R fishing to speed up landing the fish, practices good release techniques to further reduce mortality. Although we want to keep mortality as low as possible and reduce our impact on stocks, a dead fish in the ocean never goes to waste, more of that fish will be consumed and metabolized in the water by other marine life then will ever happen on our dinner plates.
At the end of the day, the concerted efforts of a growing population of ethical and enthusiastic sport anglers getting out on the water as much as possible will do more good than harm for our oceans weather they're killing their catch or not.
Tight lines weather you're just out for practice or playing for keeps [emoji6]
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So only those that own a boat should be allowed to fish for salmon? Lets not forget everything we harvest, regardless of where you catch it is on a mission to reproduce. At least we know where a salmon in a river is going. That one random salmon in the ocean could be one of the last from an endangered run. Targeting salmon that are committed to a healthy river makes a lot more sense than the randomness of ocean fishing.
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JUST ONE MORE
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Now this makes sense---- be responsible---- I think we all love that leap for the rod, and the battle that follows---It isn't that many days that you can limit out and still play some fish. Have fun gents!!!
I don't think the tackle is the problem. I have seen large trout beached by a skilled angler on a light rod and other angles giggling at the sound of the clicker on their unarrested trolling reel fastened to a broom stick. On the occasion one finds themselves undergunned, it's time to buckle down and point the rod at the fish.
Rum Buddies
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I get your opinion and see where its coming from but just curious what you'd suggest to those that pay for a license to fish but don't care to retain any ? .....so are you saying those fishers shouldn't be allowed to fish (catch and release) at all then ? They didn't bonk there limit first so shouldn't they be commended for releasing everything ? I'd suggest that maybe the issue here is for all to learn the best methods for catch and release to cause the least amount of harm to released fish.
Exactly what I was thinking and posted the same question ...... I think if we were comparing survival rates of killed limits vs catch and released fish I'd bet the higher rate of survival would be the released fish
Of course you should be allowed to fish, but if you're doing C&R and you get a fish that's gut hooked and going to die -- are you going to just dump it back in the water because you don't like eating fish? That would be extremely unethical.
I would think most guys in that scenario would just keep the dying fish and find a good home for it.
But ya if you put yourself in a position where you might be forced to dump a dead or dying fish back in the ocean, that's unethical. Not sure how you anybody could agrue against that?
And who cares how much money your client spent? How does the amount of money or expectations of your guest have any bearing on ethics?
If fishing is gangbusters then just tell the guest to leave one spot open. It's your job as a guide to set the tone and educate your guests why you need to leave one spot open.
So fishing is good at the Hump and Bob and Bill catch their 4 fish and 2 of them are 9 pounders.They keep fishing catch and release but Bob hooks a 30 pounder and its netted, you honestly going to tell me that fish doesn't get bonked and a 9 pounder slipped back in the water? Who cares about people that pay $1000.00 and limit out at Thrasher? They can go fish cod or whatever, I have been out on the water going on 50 years and for every ethical fisherman there are 10 or more that are not.
Peahead
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Ok so great, so you do see that C&R is ethical ...... so if that’s the case then logic should tell you that you will then need to accept that there may be the occasional fish that may not survive when you release it. This is ethical practice IMO
My post says nothing about anyone feeling it ethical to throw back a dead salmon or knowingly chucking one that is about to die being ethical ?? But I understand if one had an agenda to stop C&R they would like to have you believe that the C&R fishery is killing a high percentage of fish willingly.
It is this that brings me to the issue of making assumptions. A high percentage of fish survive release if the fisher knows what he is doing so hence my suggestion earlier that each fisher take on the responsibility to improve their C&R methods to improve survival rate. Also to improve targeting technique that could also improve release survival. Poppa you have agreed that Catch & Release fishers should of course be allowed to fish – so lets improve the survival rates while we are at it. Deciding to keep a fish that you feel is very damaged is of course a good idea but again I did not say that willingly killing fish and then releasing them to the bottom is ethical catch and release fishing.
Not sure who/what you are referring to re: comment that a paying client's expectations have a bearing on ethics as I didn't say that either….
In conclusion one more thing to remember… “bonking your limits will usually kill way more fish than releasing that many !!! “
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Peahead
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Sorry Blackmax - not to be critical of your post but I think that is so obviously unethical and agree there are likely many unethical people but getting off topic -- what you describe is not only unethical but illegal . C& R is an ethical practice done properly and certainly legal in the areas described - lets keep the thread on topic. Maybe start an illegal practices thread ??
captain_no_fun
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I'm likely on the younger side of the posters on this forum and can confidently say that myself and the fishermen I know would definitely not be slipping any 9 pounders back into the water. I would maybe release a 9 pound fish, if in good condition, to keep a slot open for a larger fish or call it a day. I know a lot of guys out there fishing and can't think of one that would be unethical. I hear about guys using barbs, killing wild coho, keeping undersize springs, but I surely don't see it among my fisherman friends.
Just wanted to put in a good word for the fisherman I know and say that I think you are overestimating the number of guys breaking the rules.
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