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rainbow one
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It sounds like tomic is the game. Does anyone use any other kinds of plugs? Witch doctor or Lyman plugs?? I have had great success with lymans for rainbows and dollies.
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Charter Tofino
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quote:Originally posted by UNKNOWN
++HINT: Using a flasher as a lure in these areas is a very simple technique...use a full size plaid 690 with a short 18 to 28 inch 50Lbs tail. MP skirts, small spoons, bare hooks all work, as it is the flasher that the mature fish are hitting...on the turn, they basically floss themselves - you're on!
I have a hard time believing this... I bet its happened but if you use a flasher as a lure your going to be getting skunked. They are hitting the terminal not flossing themselves...
Charlie
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Hey, as most know… I do “not” claim to know anything about “Tomic” plugs and I am reading and learning here, but before you guys start getting into argument? The first Tomic was indeed the “Classic”, and was originally designed for the commercial salmon fishermen, to troll at higher speeds, with “no” flasher! It was not good at the lower trolling speeds – I can attest to that! However, and in their words… “The Tubby is a shorter fatter version of the Classic or Multi. This design gives a faster and more aggressive swimming action, which works at slower speeds." "The Tubby is a good choice for slower trolling or retrieving.”
I do agree with ‘codfather’ about losing these plugs - as I very much, had “sticker” shock when I went to buy some the last time… I would be very interested in “not” losing them at current prices!
But I have to ask about the warranty and would we be concerned, if you lose the plug? I think knowing of those people… they would probably replace any plug returned, with any kind of issues? Again in their words, “The advantage of using plastic for plugs (in addition to being durable) is that they cannot become waterlogged and will therefore continue to work even with extensive use (and teeth marks). “
I do agree with ‘codfather’ about losing these plugs - as I very much, had “sticker” shock when I went to buy some the last time… I would be very interested in “not” losing them at current prices!
But I have to ask about the warranty and would we be concerned, if you lose the plug? I think knowing of those people… they would probably replace any plug returned, with any kind of issues? Again in their words, “The advantage of using plastic for plugs (in addition to being durable) is that they cannot become waterlogged and will therefore continue to work even with extensive use (and teeth marks). “
fishin_magician
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I hear ya...I guide as well..and every once in a while, yes, you get a guest that won't listen and just doesn't get it. That's when you break out the level winds!!
On inside waters where I do most of my guiding/fishing-- I have one 6" 84 which has over 100 20+ lb springs on it, last year I only put it out twice, and sure enough, on each of those charters, it caught a nice fish. However, those "hot" lures, I keep out of the water until I know who I'm dealing with....and when I have the true anglers on board, out come all the hot ones!
I like your 639--I have one that rocks each time it's put down..it probably has 40 Tyees on it...unfortunately...anything with a 500 type color in Vancouver won't/doesn't catch squat so it sits in the "QCI/WCVI" gear totes in storage. A special thank you to the troller who lost that one off Graham Island...it's the deadliest plug I own.
There is another way to rig a slider though...you need to get a very small drill bit, pull the pin, and then drill on the top of the plug---just slightly back of the overhang on an angle toward the front of the plug--and I mean small...as in just enough for the line to go through and you can effectively eliminate the "elastic band" method with your sliders. However, if you're not VERY careful, you'll turn your plug into leaky tiki. I have a 5" Tubby 232 which trolls awesome slow...you can fish it along with the 'Chovies and it'll pace a 'Chovy! Be careful with this one though...or you'll turn your plug into waterlogged junk. Thread your plug as you normally would..but when you come out of the hole on the bill, you go up through the overhang and you have a nice pivot point. After big spring with this method though, be sure to retie your slider as the line will chafe.
Charter Tofino
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quote:Originally posted by UNKNOWN
quote:Originally posted by kelly
quote:Originally posted by UNKNOWN
++HINT: Using a flasher as a lure in these areas is a very simple technique...use a full size plaid 690 with a short 18 to 28 inch 50Lbs tail. MP skirts, small spoons, bare hooks all work, as it is the flasher that the mature fish are hitting...on the turn, they basically floss themselves - you're on!
I have a hard time believing this... I bet its happened but if you use a flasher as a lure your going to be getting skunked. They are hitting the terminal not flossing themselves...
...I do it every year that I fish Alberni - they are not hitting the lure. The azz end of the flasher progressively increases through out the day with more and more teeth marks. Kelly I have been doing this since the late 90's and will continue to so. I used to fish longer leaders and was having lots of success getting fish to pop the line, but then, no fish - I noticed the new flashers getting all scratched up and thought my boy was stepping all over them...watching him all day and seeing that he was not, encouraged me to shorten the leader to 28" and now to 18". I am fishing at 10 to 30 feet so it aint bottom...I could simply keep it all to myself and not tell you anything.
I fish the area and they are so picky in color of the skirt and spoons it isnt even funny.If they were hitting the flashers it wouldnt even matter what you had on. Plus with a 18-28 inch leader you would hook them in the body as often as floss them which would be a small fraction of what actually hit the flasher. I havent ever hooked a fish outside the mouth using the same setups you mention.It would be really interesting if they consistantly hit flashers but i just dont see it.
fishin_magician
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I've yet to have any issue with a Tomic!!! The one issue I've heard about was from a local commercial fisherman at the fish docks--he showed me a 7" Tomic 700 which he had fishing on the bottom spread on the deep. He had it tied as all trollers do---crimped onto the jump ring..with a 12/0 hook. Well....he said was out pulling fish and was on a big school of large. He got a breather after going through all the gear and it slowed off when the trolling bell went CLANG CLANG...and whatever it was pulling hard...really hard. He got it up and had a look. It was the biggest salmon he'd ever seen. It was pulling hard and after 2 minutes it wouldn't come close...and then it went nuts....and was gone. He pulls in and he had his plug...but the hook was GONE...along with the bottom ring on the swivel. It was the swivel that had failed...not the plug or the bar! LOL. Tomics...still unscathed!
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HSM542
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A couple of years ago off the wreck on big bank my wife caught a 28 lb chinook that I actually thought hit the flasher because when unhooking it the line ran from inside the corner if its mouth down to the side above the anal fin where the spoons hook was stuck in it there! At first I thought maybe it made a pass and missed and got foul hooked, but the way the line went inside its mouth and got caught under the hard corner of it mouth and was brought in head first led me to beleive it probably hit the flasher, and the spoon spun around and hooked him in the side! Does this happen very often to you guys who catch thousands per year or was it just a fluke? (by the way the fish went back)
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Rayvon
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Where can I buy a boat like that?
Charter Tofino
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All this plug talk made me go pick up a 700 yesterday. God those things are expensive.
I have a bunch of old plugs i got that in general are in rough shape with rust stains and missing paint ect. Anyone ever try to strip them and redo them?
I have a bunch of old plugs i got that in general are in rough shape with rust stains and missing paint ect. Anyone ever try to strip them and redo them?
Was at the giant Ogdon Point Marine Garage sale today and pick up a bunch of Tomic Plugs. Some I got off of a former west coast VI guide and he had painted all the hooks white. He said the white makes the hook blend in with the underside of the plug and the fish don’t see it. Anyone ever heard of this?
Great sale by the way, lots of real bargins. Paid $1.00 for as new used Tomics and $2.00 for new ones. Worth checking out next year if you missed it.
Great sale by the way, lots of real bargins. Paid $1.00 for as new used Tomics and $2.00 for new ones. Worth checking out next year if you missed it.
fishin_magician
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When I run bait, I run all bait. I figure, if I'm going to brine a pack or two of 'Chovies or Herring, I may as well use 'em all.
When I do run plugs, I run all plugs..and I'm usually moving at Mach 1.
Likewise, if I'm metal, I'm all metal. Hoochies? Usually all Hoochies.
Although, I remember elastic banding a 5" 340 once along side 'Chovies...and the Plug too the prize that trip. Odd...since I haven't fished that plug since come to think of it.
I know may guides mix 'n match gear all the time around Vancouver...quite successfully.
hookorbullet
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As a newly evolving SW fanatic all this info is great thanks for sharing the knowledge guys!
Haze
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I’ve just started using Tomic Plugs more than I have in the past and had a question or two on using the smaller plugs with flashers or without.
The other day out I got a fish and cleaned it and noticed that the majority of the bait in its tummy was only about 3-3.5 inches long. So to match the hatch I was going to throw down a smaller plug on one side but I’ve never fished a 3 incher and was wondering do most people run a dummy flasher or an inline flasher with it?
If so how long of leader from an inline flasher do you run to the tomic? If you use a dummy how far back from the dummy do you run the little Tomic?
Also do many people even bother running such small plugs or would I be better off fishing a spoon and flasher or a flasher and squirt hootchie?
The other day out I got a fish and cleaned it and noticed that the majority of the bait in its tummy was only about 3-3.5 inches long. So to match the hatch I was going to throw down a smaller plug on one side but I’ve never fished a 3 incher and was wondering do most people run a dummy flasher or an inline flasher with it?
If so how long of leader from an inline flasher do you run to the tomic? If you use a dummy how far back from the dummy do you run the little Tomic?
Also do many people even bother running such small plugs or would I be better off fishing a spoon and flasher or a flasher and squirt hootchie?
saanauk
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I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like you need to troll plugs a lot faster then you would troll anchovies and other gear. Could you troll one of the tubby plugs with other gear? I would like to try out trolling plugs but I normally fish 3 to 4 rods with a mixture of anchovies and/or spoons and/or hootchies.
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