New Shimano 4000's

In the last couple years of the old 4000's they said they fixed the problems. They sent me a box of new spools to replaces the ones that were blowing up.
 
In reply to the question about an in-expensive reel that works, I think the Isusu "Royal Sea King" is a good bet. I won one in a draw six years ago and it has stood up and worked well for me. I got another a few years ago after retiring the Shimano GT 4000 that was driving me crazy - the grag sucked and the spool wobbled.
The drag on tha Isusu can be set hard enough to work on extreme downrigger fishing, holds a good whack of line (350 yds of 30 b maxima), has a good size spool for fast retrieve and keeps cranking with some routine maintenance. I wash mine in fresh water and lubricate every few trips.
Don't know if or where you can get them now but might be worth a look.
 
Sea King is a Walmart brand BUT,,, The patent was a ABU GARCIA reel I have many of them in different sizes that are ABU reels. I love the ABU 420. They are noisy though, but I love it. Sure they may extend past Walmart but not what I have seen.
 
For the money I really like the Shimano 2000GT or the smaller spool 1000GT . The one way drag is useful when fishing alone while reeling in line on a rod still in rod holder (especially while other hand is holding the rod with big fish on the run ) with no need to loosen drag to wind in. Other than that I don't mind two way drag and really quite like the lighter older 100GT (small spool) and just loosening drag and go hand drag.

Deep Blue ( Shimano) metioned 4000GT spools have been made of a more durable material now for a few years. I am however curious if anyone had a recent model 4000GT explode recently ?
Here is a photo of an older 4000GT spool after it exploded last season - apparently the newer 4000GT spools are a darker black material ( similar to the darker black 2000GT's ) and apparently stronger and less brittle. My replacement spool is a dark grey colour, not black so probably just another old one. The only adavantage of 4000GT for me is the larger spool capacity....flatter handles are a bit nicer too.
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Westshore claims the 4000+ are greatly improved over the 4000 and there shouldn't be the issues as discussed. Apparently the drag did have a few issues on the initial shipment, but that is corrected and its getting alot of praise. I grabbed one myself - first shimano, so lets see what it can do. Since I am not out there 80 days a year, I don't expect issues like the guides could with usage/wear.
 
The 4000's blew up because of line capacity they hold far more line than the 2000's.The 4000's spool is wider to hold that much line the result is when that much line stretches bang just like the old wood reals.
 
quote:Originally posted by bananas

The 4000's blew up because of line capacity they hold far more line than the 2000's.The 4000's spool is wider to hold that much line the result is when that much line stretches bang just like the old wood reals.
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I agree that larger line capacity increases pressure on the spool and therefore increases the possibility of breakage however what the fellow at Deep Blue told me was that the old 4000 spool was made with a different material than the 2000. You can actually see the difference in colour of the material. They found the material used with the 4000 was not as strong and more brittle (obvious now). Interestingly Diawa's M-one never had the problem ( as far as I know) with the similarily large line capacity.
DB offered to replace my spools but I just happened to be at Berry's Bait when I took the call from them and the sales guy at Berry's overheard my conversation so informed me they had a few replacement spools there, on site at Berry's at that time.
 
Cheers All,

One of the major components of monofilament line is actually - water! So...if you reel in under tension and then let the line sit and 'dry out' it will shrink. This shrinkage is magnified by the amount of line (or wraps) on the reel. This exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on the spool.

If you have any doubts as to how much pressure, stop by Islander Reels and take a look at several of the aluminum reels that have exploded due to line shrinkage. I had several Peetz reels explode due to operator error and I simply blamed it on the weak structure of wood. However, once I had a look at the extensive damage to aluminum reels and spools I reconsidered.

It is easy to 100% prevent such damage. At the end of your trip simply strip out the line that has been in use and has been reeled in under pressure and reel it with only enough pressure to lay the wraps snuggly. End of problems. As the old Fram commercial stated:
"Either pay me now or pay me later." I choose to take the time to protect the equipment I have rather than pay for new product. Choice is not that difficult for me.

Regardless of the type of reel you have - be it a Daiwa, Shimano or Islander, when the reel splits like that shown in this post, the problem is operator error and not product.



Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
 
quote:Originally posted by Fishing Guide

Cheers All,

Regardless of the type of reel you have - be it a Daiwa, Shimano or Islander, when the reel splits like that shown in this post, the problem is operator error and not product.
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Interesting point of view and its a good idea , if one has the patience and time to do that on every reel/rod every day. While I respect your opinion and suspect your process/method works to avoid the breakage, I still wouldn't consider the breakages operator error. Even the manufacterer has admitted that the 4000's had manufactur defect and they apparently have fixed the problem. Also the Diawa M one hasn't had the same problem so not sure I agree with the breakages beeing the operators fault just for not re winding line on every reel after every trip. I'll just switch to a reel that doesn't need that much TLC every day.
 
quote:Originally posted by Fishing Guide

It is easy to 100% prevent such damage. At the end of your trip simply yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.....Regardless of the type of reel you have - be it a Daiwa, Shimano or Islander, when the reel splits like that shown in this post, the problem is operator error and not product.
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What a loaf of bull!



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quote:Originally posted by Fishing Guide

Cheers All,

One of the major components of monofilament line is actually - water! So...if you reel in under tension and then let the line sit and 'dry out' it will shrink. This shrinkage is magnified by the amount of line (or wraps) on the reel. This exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on the spool.

If you have any doubts as to how much pressure, stop by Islander Reels and take a look at several of the aluminum reels that have exploded due to line shrinkage. I had several Peetz reels explode due to operator error and I simply blamed it on the weak structure of wood. However, once I had a look at the extensive damage to aluminum reels and spools I reconsidered.

It is easy to 100% prevent such damage. At the end of your trip simply strip out the line that has been in use and has been reeled in under pressure and reel it with only enough pressure to lay the wraps snuggly. End of problems. As the old Fram commercial stated:
"Either pay me now or pay me later." I choose to take the time to protect the equipment I have rather than pay for new product. Choice is not that difficult for me.

Regardless of the type of reel you have - be it a Daiwa, Shimano or Islander, when the reel splits like that shown in this post, the problem is operator error and not product.



Fishing Guide
www.invictuscharters.com
BC Outdoors Pro Staff
www.fishingvancouverisland.org
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There was nothing in the owners manual on that[B)]
 
I have used Shimano 4000's for many years - never any problems with splitting. Have heard from several reliable sources that the new model has dealt with the splittng problems and the issues with the drag slipping over time with use. I own a lot of Shimano rods and reels and IMHO they are good quality and have always performed very well for me.

Long live wild salmon!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Fishing Guide

Cheers All,

"Either pay me now or pay me later." I choose to take the time to protect the equipment I have rather than pay for new product. Choice is not that difficult for me.
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Actually the 4000 spools are replaced at no charge because they are apparently defective (so no need to pay for replacement )

I am not sure it makes sense going to great lengths to protect defective gear ( I'd rather get that free replacement) but thats up to you. Btw the words 'defective spool' came from Shimano.
I do however agree if there is a way to make a defective reel last longer, especially if you are out in the boonies or on an extended trip and can't get a replacement quickly, it makes sense to take steps to make it last longer. Perhaps backing on the spools would help too.
I was actually wondering at first if Fishing Guide was just 'planting a bomb' here just for the sport of it. If he wasn't, I am curious as to why he really doesn't seem to believe there is a defect even though the manufacturer admits there is ?
 
I was out using a new model Shimano 4000 mooching reel on the weekend. I like the reel but the drag was creeping all the time.

Anybody else have this problem with these new reels? Anyone have any ideas how to fix it?

Long live wild salmon!!!
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Mine did the exact same thing. If I squeezed the spool tight I was able to get two more clicks on the drag. It also seemed to bottom it out.
My M1+ has a better drag.Next time I'm in at the dealer I'll broach this subject.
Another thread here made mention of inferior drag washers on the first reels released.
Are Shimano and Toyota part of the same company?

Hooch
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had the same problem - partly relates to them using too much grease on the drag. Take most off and it may work fine. If it keeps spinning as you tighten though, take it in for replacement. It seems they have finally figured it out and fixed the problems on the new batches. I got mine replaced a couple weeks ago at Westshore and its perfect - holds tight with no slip, lets off easy, beautiful fighter reel now. I'm very happy with my first trip out with it.

Don't mess around though - if you obviously have one of the early duds, take it in for a replacement.
 
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