Modifying Spoons
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fishin_magician
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Hmmm...maybe use slightly bigger hooks if you're losing fish however keep the spoon action going I say.
It's an issue on smaller spoons..however play the fish tight, stay 100% straight on to the fish and don't take all day to put it in the boat and you don't have too many issues.
If anything, when fishing small spoons like that the hook bends out on a bigger fish anyways.
Also, extending the hook further back from the spoon will change the action of the spoon, affect your trolling speed, and opens up opportunity for the fish to miss the hook etc etc.
I don't buy his argument but it does seem to have a reasonable amount of logic behind it. I've never tried his ideas. I fish spoons all winter, spring and summer long and really can't say I've had any complaints with losing fish..and the landing %age is very high...and those spoons catch LOTS of fish. The hook is right on the ring...Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks...I can't say I have any complaints about losing fish on them.
Basically, the way I see it, if you're losing fish...first look to your angling.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
It's an issue on smaller spoons..however play the fish tight, stay 100% straight on to the fish and don't take all day to put it in the boat and you don't have too many issues.
If anything, when fishing small spoons like that the hook bends out on a bigger fish anyways.
Also, extending the hook further back from the spoon will change the action of the spoon, affect your trolling speed, and opens up opportunity for the fish to miss the hook etc etc.
I don't buy his argument but it does seem to have a reasonable amount of logic behind it. I've never tried his ideas. I fish spoons all winter, spring and summer long and really can't say I've had any complaints with losing fish..and the landing %age is very high...and those spoons catch LOTS of fish. The hook is right on the ring...Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks...I can't say I have any complaints about losing fish on them.
Basically, the way I see it, if you're losing fish...first look to your angling.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
fishin_magician
Well-Known Member
Hmmm...maybe use slightly bigger hooks if you're losing fish however keep the spoon action going I say.
It's an issue on smaller spoons..however play the fish tight, stay 100% straight on to the fish and don't take all day to put it in the boat and you don't have too many issues.
If anything, when fishing small spoons like that the hook bends out on a bigger fish anyways.
Also, extending the hook further back from the spoon will change the action of the spoon, affect your trolling speed, and opens up opportunity for the fish to miss the hook etc etc.
I don't buy his argument but it does seem to have a reasonable amount of logic behind it. I've never tried his ideas. I fish spoons all winter, spring and summer long and really can't say I've had any complaints with losing fish..and the landing %age is very high...and those spoons catch LOTS of fish. The hook is right on the ring...Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks...I can't say I have any complaints about losing fish on them.
Basically, the way I see it, if you're losing fish...first look to your angling.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
It's an issue on smaller spoons..however play the fish tight, stay 100% straight on to the fish and don't take all day to put it in the boat and you don't have too many issues.
If anything, when fishing small spoons like that the hook bends out on a bigger fish anyways.
Also, extending the hook further back from the spoon will change the action of the spoon, affect your trolling speed, and opens up opportunity for the fish to miss the hook etc etc.
I don't buy his argument but it does seem to have a reasonable amount of logic behind it. I've never tried his ideas. I fish spoons all winter, spring and summer long and really can't say I've had any complaints with losing fish..and the landing %age is very high...and those spoons catch LOTS of fish. The hook is right on the ring...Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks...I can't say I have any complaints about losing fish on them.
Basically, the way I see it, if you're losing fish...first look to your angling.
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Fins -n- Skins
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I use this method with spinners when fishing coho, just because they do the famous coho roll and work the spoon or spinner loose. With chinook i don't think you have to worry to much, but worth a try. I for once would have to agree with FM, i would worry about the action changing. I learned this method from David..
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Fins -n- Skins
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I use this method with spinners when fishing coho, just because they do the famous coho roll and work the spoon or spinner loose. With chinook i don't think you have to worry to much, but worth a try. I for once would have to agree with FM, i would worry about the action changing. I learned this method from David..
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Slabby20
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FM, I don't disagree with anything you say. I like trying new things and it was something to tinker with during the winter. I'm also wondering how the extra weight and length will effect the action of the spoon. Like you say the hook is right on the ring on the Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks. Obviously there was reason for that. With that said I've changed over a few of my Coyotes and I'll give them a shot next weekend.
Slabby20
Active Member
FM, I don't disagree with anything you say. I like trying new things and it was something to tinker with during the winter. I'm also wondering how the extra weight and length will effect the action of the spoon. Like you say the hook is right on the ring on the Wonder Spoons, Superiors, Canadians, Coyotes, Gypsies, Gators...Kripple Ks. Obviously there was reason for that. With that said I've changed over a few of my Coyotes and I'll give them a shot next weekend.
Dogbreath
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If a person uses a quality ball bearing swivel as shown between their leader and mainline then twist of any kind isn't an issue.
Personally I don't like adding weight or anything that drags to a spoon (which is what using a swivel between the lure body and the hook does).
YMMV
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Personally I don't like adding weight or anything that drags to a spoon (which is what using a swivel between the lure body and the hook does).
YMMV
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Dogbreath
Well-Known Member
If a person uses a quality ball bearing swivel as shown between their leader and mainline then twist of any kind isn't an issue.
Personally I don't like adding weight or anything that drags to a spoon (which is what using a swivel between the lure body and the hook does).
YMMV
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Personally I don't like adding weight or anything that drags to a spoon (which is what using a swivel between the lure body and the hook does).
YMMV
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fishin_magician
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Did you know DC Reid catches hundreds of salmon a year?
DC Reid is a dipstick.
Two spoons hooked together? Big whoopee ding. Just because it caught a fish doesn't mean you're going to fish with it or it's going to out fish the conventional rigs.
I've seen 4 25 lb Chinooks chase bare hooks and 5 Coho do the same to a no action cut plug.
And my dad caught the winning Vancouver Sun Derby fish on a paperclip and a piece of diced Salami...WHATEVER!!!
C
Captain Downriggin
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First... I am not the one who originated the modification. Just passing it along...
A lot of old timers run much larger hooks on their spoons down here, e.g. 5/0 or 3.5 Yotes. To avoid spoiling the action, they simply move the spoon in closer to the flasher or use spoons that can be bent in to a more reactive state (Sonic Edge).
When you mention the spoon bending out, this is exactly the reason for the modification. Typically the hook sets are much deeper in the jaw line than without a barrel swivel so the fish cannot use the blade as added leverage. However, for debates sakes, let's assume the fish does miss the hook. The hook is back further allowing for a "outside the mouth" hookset. Also, if the barrel swivel was not in place on spoons such as the Coho Killer, it would soon look like a cork screw- just mangled.
I have seen zero difference in the action of the spoon being changed. I can imagine a very slight difference, but this has made no difference.
"Basically, the way I see it, if you're losing fish...first look to your angling."</u>
I wonder what kind of reaction I would get if I said that at a seminar with 200-people in attendence. Oh brother!
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SerengetiGuide
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captaindownriggins...just wanna say i really enjoy your videos on youtube...great to watch when i have time on my hands...keep em going. Cheers!
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fishin_magician
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I can only imagine what the reaction would be..and it wouldn't be great.
In recent years the fishery has become more about MEAT than sport. Everyone is bulking up on the line strength so we reduce cost in lost gear, can haul that fish in and play it out quickly to avoid it being seal lunch or sea lion H'ors D'Oevres etc etc. It's definitely more about MEAT than it ever was...
Many BC anglers look on in disdain when our neighbours to the south come up with the levelwinds and fish for those "big 'un Kings" and say they wanna open a can of whoopass on those fish....even BRAIDED lines are in use for salmon now..sigh.
Case in point. 20 lb test mainline was considered heavy....depending on your gear. 15 lb test leader was more the norm than the exception.
I'll have to admit, I'm no angel...I'm fishing heavier test than I have when I was a youngin'....it about getting BANG for the $$$$...and putting those fish in the boat when the guests are on board...
I remember the days of a 2 ounce banana weight to a 10 foot leader with a couple of small teeny hooks threaded into my livies....10 and 12 lb test leader...... 20-30 pulls...with my 10 foot lamiglass rod on a Longstone or Daiwa 175/275 with 15-20 lb test mainline...ah..the days.
Then it became 25 lb test mainline with 25 lb leader...
sigh...
Bring back the fishies!
