Military Aircraft

[Doug]

There has been lots of military jet activities going on over the last two weeks on Oahu.

In the last few days, the winds are coming from the south and all commercial and military jet are flying parallel to Waikiki beach. For a change we get a great view of the planes coming past. But it’s hard to get a photo of the F-18 and F-22 because they have almost past you before you hear them coming. In the last three days we have seen 25+ military jets per day coming in and are they ever loud and impressive. I had to go online to watch the video and read the info on the F-22. We have also seen re fueling planes coming in.

I've seen more fighters jets here in 30 minutes than Canada has in total..

The F22 is the United States Air Force’s most advanced air superiority fighter and likely one of the most expensive fighter jets to maintain and operate.
There are an estimated 195 F-22s, of which 187 are operational, and the remaining 8 are for testing purposes.
An F-22 costs an estimated $120 million to purchase, but it would cost around $334 million if we factor in research and development costs.

 

[Rain City]

There has been lots of military jet activities going on over the last two weeks on Oahu.

In the last few days, the winds are coming from the south and all commercial and military jet are flying parallel to Waikiki beach. For a change we get a great view of the planes coming past. But it’s hard to get a photo of the F-18 and F-22 because they have almost past you before you hear them coming. In the last three days we have seen 25+ military jets per day coming in and are they ever loud and impressive. I had to go online to watch the video and read the info on the F-22. We have also seen re fueling planes coming in.

I've seen more fighters jets here in 30 minutes than Canada has in total..

The F22 is the United States Air Force’s most advanced air superiority fighter and likely one of the most expensive fighter jets to maintain and operate.
There are an estimated 195 F-22s, of which 187 are operational, and the remaining 8 are for testing purposes.
An F-22 costs an estimated $120 million to purchase, but it would cost around $334 million if we factor in research and development costs.

It never gets old. Merica.

 

[Ringo]

An F-22 costs an estimated $120 million to purchase, but it would cost around $334 million if we factor in research and development costs.

Imagine how many Commanders you can pod with that dough...

 

[Rain City]

Imagine how many Commanders you can pod with that dough...

6

 

[pescador]

.“We will not buy the F-35 fighter jet,” Trudeau said empathically at a Liberal election rally in Halifax in September 2015…….news flash 2022……..Federal government inks deal to buy fleet of F-35 fighter jets.

 

[SpringVelocity]

That's great to see them training. We always forget were just south of the US nuclear submarine base.

Bengar Washington is strategical a nuclear military target, so it's a training exercise most likely. Russia put US an edge a few day ago with Putin's recent statement that he doesn't consider the sale of Alaska legal.

Personally Canada should have got F35 years ago with the development of Russia's new fighters coming on line.

Here is Russia monster the Su57.

 

[tinboatrobb]

I think you meant, just north of Bangor Washington.

 

[Gong Show]

My favourite sign near the entrance to Whidbey Island:

 

[eroyd]

Personally Canada should have got F35 years ago with the development of Russia's new fighters coming on line.

Thanks to Trudeau's back and forth, Canada has been put to the back of the line for the F-35's. They'll be obsolete by the time we get them. Canada once boasted a pretty significant air force. Now we are insignificant. Concerning in the worlds present state.

 

[Ringo]

Thanks to Trudeau's back and forth, Canada has been put to the back of the line for the F-35's. They'll be obsolete by the time we get them. Canada once boasted a pretty significant air force. Now we are insignificant. Concerning in the worlds present state.

No no! It’s all about reducing Canada’s carbon footprint. JT is waiting for the electric models to come out.

USAF conduct first airman flight of military-worthy electric aircraft

The US Air Force (USAF) has conducted the first airman flight of an electric aircraft with a military airworthiness.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[searun]

This is why you don't want Fed Liberals managing your money - $14 Billion reasons why not. And the damn thing doesn't work - POS. We could have purchased an off the shelf unit that is standard equipment in US for way less...and it has a proven track record. But, no we have to go and buy a civilian machine that had to be retrofitted to military applications - science experiment with $14 billion hard earned tax dollars. Granted it started with Paul Martin's Liberal government - the new Conservative's inherited the contract but couldn't get out of the deal...rest is history of bad gone really bad.

"The lifetime cost of buying, owning and operating the air force's troubled CH-148 Cyclones is now expected to top $14.87 billion, according to a leaked internal Department of National Defence briefing document obtained by CBC News."

"When Sikorsky won the [maritime helicopter program] contract in 2004, the company had limited experience in the scope and depth of in-service support required by Canada, as well as limited knowledge of Canada's airworthiness system," says the briefing document.

"Sikorsky wrongly assumed that a high level of commonality between the CH148 and the civil certified S-92 would be maintained as a key to mitigate schedule risks. As a result, Sikorsky grossly underestimated the number of changes, design effort and testing required to militarize the S-92A to meet Canada's requirements."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cyclone-helicopters-defence-air-force-1.7088390

 

[searun]

Bengar Washington is strategical a nuclear military target, so it's a training exercise most likely. Russia put US an edge a few day ago with Putin's recent statement that he doesn't consider the sale of Alaska legal.

Don't worry, Trump will end the Alaskan war in about 5 minutes - he's buds with Putin - probably sell out Ukraine in exchange. That's how he rolls.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Because I was inverted

 

[eroyd]

Because I was inverted

And throw in BC and the Yukon for giggles.

Is there anything in the Canadian Military that turned out great? Death trap submarines? Sending the few sailors we have out on rusted out frigates? Leased supply ships and weapon systems? All with no shortage of funds. Where does that money flow?

Back to fishing and more positive thoughts.

 

[Hardy Guy]

I have a buddy that served on US nuclear subs for 25 years. He said our guys are nice and fun to go have beers with but our capability is lacking. He said they loved to sneak up on ships and then say .... bang your dead.

 

[pescador]

Well, a couple of positive thing things have happened in the last year. P-8 Poseidon’s ordered…..16 of to replace our aging CP140 Aurora’s for maritime patrol. 9 Airbus 330 MRTT’s air tankers/exec transport Aircraft. 88 F35 Fighters. Likely all because of Trump pushing hard on Canada back in 2016/17 on us spending our NATO 2% target. Those P-8’s are important to us because of their exceptional ability to track targets in the water.

 

[Doug]

More fighter jets coming in yesterday and one big massive re fueling jet and a sub tracker.

The big difference from the USA and Canada is contributors to the tax base.
In the US there are 350 million people and a lots of them paying taxes. Accommodations taxes in Hawaii is 18% and going up.
In Canada we have -40 million and a lot paying taxes to fund medical and Cardon credits which they do not in the US

 

[Rain City]

More fighter jets coming in yesterday and one big massive re fueling jet and a sub tracker.

The big difference from the USA and Canada is contributors to the tax base.
In the US there are 350 million people and a lots of them paying taxes. Accommodations taxes in Hawaii is 18% and going up.
In Canada we have -40 million and a lot paying taxes to fund medical and Cardon credits which they do not in the US

Bike lanes. It all goes to bike lanes.

 

[ziggy]

And throw in BC and the Yukon for giggles.

Is there anything in the Canadian Military that turned out great? Death trap submarines? Sending the few sailors we have out on rusted out frigates? Leased supply ships and weapon systems? All with no shortage of funds. Where does that money flow?

Back to fishing and more positive thoughts.

Frigates were state of the art and envied by NATO and the US in the 90’s when they came out. That was decades ago however! To be honest though it’s not the platform that doesn’t age well that’s a major concern,so much as the electronics and weapons suites. These however can be upgraded without a new hull. The question is how much are Canadians willing to pay to have a constantly modernizing military? Would Canadians ever accept off shore purchase of new vessels? I’d guess no!

 

[Gong Show]

We have to accept that we are not a large shipbuilding nation. We should keep the skills alive with maintenance and refit, because of the Cdn peso, this will be a good source of income for the big yards and their tradespeople.

Unfortunately Ottawa procurement suffers from an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Americans, so it is always a knee jerk reaction that any Canadian procurement needs to conform to a specific list of 'Canadian' specific requirements. Not sure why, not like American equipment does not operate in high arctic conditions. It always seems strange that we need to have interoperability with the Americans, but we insist on all these Canadian specific specs.

BC Ferries have finally come around to buying offshore vessels, even with an NDP government, so it is acceptable to some extent.