Marine gas rip-off in Courtenay
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Cuba Libre
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No, but with that kind of report I will look into it next week..thanks
fishin_magician
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x 500!!!! We're totally getting messed with.
fishin_magician
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You also shouldn't believe half the sh*t on the Internet. If you have a new boat with a new fuel system, or an old boat with a new engine, new fuel lines, new tank, etc etc, there's little you can't handle with today's gasoline. Maintain your Raycors.
http://www.mercurymarine.com/servic...ance/faqs/outboards/?category=ethanol#webinar
Some of us Vancouver Guys run modern Grady's, Pursuits and Whalers and a stop at the fuel barge is 600-1300 litres.
10 cents a litre makes a big difference over the course of a season and last summer, a 20 cent difference between Mosquito Creek and False Creek actually made it worth the run.
False Creek's tanks are on land too.
capt hook
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the indian band supposedly gets a tax break and a no road tax break at Mosquito creek , yet they too are high and sometimes higher this year.
Maybe it is time to get organized and put some pressure on one of these guys?
Not sure how to get the word out , so many boats that are not on here so this forum wont do it.
Maybe it is time to get organized and put some pressure on one of these guys?
Not sure how to get the word out , so many boats that are not on here so this forum wont do it.
fishin_magician
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Mosquito Creek was golden to a couple of fellas I used to chat with....until they stopped chatting with a commoner like me---lurkerz... !
nerka992003
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1.23 at Petro Can waterfront today up in Prince Rupert
finaddict
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Unfortunatley that public strategy will never amount to anything. The public really has no control over anything other than demand. Gas stations and their parent oil companies are run as separate profit centres and boycotting one brand for another will do nothing. Want to stop buying from Shell gas stations? Shell Oil Co. would not suffer in the least. The stations themselves are all franchised with individual owners. Shell's investment is insignificant and if every single Shell gas station was shut down, Shell would remain a very big player in the oil & gas industry. The same is true for all the big players (Husky included). Interrupt the gas sales from one big oil company, no problem, the industry has a finite amount of capacity and when Shell stations are not used but the consumption remains the same, no biggie, Petrocan will buy the production from Shell refineries and NOTHING changes. You want to "stick" it to the oil companies? stop buying gas altogether. maybe buy a sailboat, an electric car and cut your firewood with a cross cut saw. ;-)
Either that, or buy a really really big chunk of land in Northern Alberta, drill a really deep hole, drill another one right beside it, inject steam in one hole and suck out of the other, take that black sticky mess and heat it and spin it alot until it bcomes liquid, send it through a boiler to about 40* Celcius and pour it into a really big tanker truck and drive it out here.
If you are able to do that, I'll be a really really good friend.
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finaddict
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The issue is not what you think you can prove through internet communications PF. The big oil companies couldn't give two sh*ts about what you think you can do on the Internet. The ONLY thing they care about is oil consumption. Until you significantly reduce that across ALL sectors in ALL countries in the global economy, you are p*ssing into the wind. Then factor in all the subsidies that third world economies give to the consumption of gasoline in order to get their exports up in order to get income into their countries (so the governing bodies can gain wealth) and then multiply that by about 4 BILLION people in those third world economies, and you will soon realize that they don't care about some rich Canadian (rich is a relative term when looking at third world incomes) who wants to go play with fish for fun.
The whole thing sucks, but it isn't going to change through anything other than oil consumption at the GLOBAL level. And since only developed countries are trying to reduce their dependence on oil (and not very successfully either), and since that now only to about half of world oil consumption, the big players have a loooooong way to go before we little people will make any kind of dent into their proft margins.
bigbruce
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I'm not so sure the prices at the pump are as much an indication of the global price of oil as they are the North American demand for refined product. There is a relatively infinite supply of raw product entering the system and the price doesn't fluctuate all that much. In North America, however, there is a finite supply of refined product as there simply aren't that many refineries to pump out enough to satisfy the demands - particularly during the high demand times -eg summer.
So, folks I have to disagree somewhat with Finaddict on this one to the extent that demand for refined product outside of North America isn't going to have that significant impact at the price at the pump in North America. So, if we all decided to significantly reduce our consumption within NA, we might just see a price drop - of course that would mean we wouldn't be using our boats, cars, trucks etc...
So, folks I have to disagree somewhat with Finaddict on this one to the extent that demand for refined product outside of North America isn't going to have that significant impact at the price at the pump in North America. So, if we all decided to significantly reduce our consumption within NA, we might just see a price drop - of course that would mean we wouldn't be using our boats, cars, trucks etc...
NootkaSounder
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When i come out to the island I bring with me about 800l in fuel in a slip tank for my truck and once a tank is empty i pull it out and put my 500l gas tank in for my boat.
sure love the island and I miss home but man it has gotten rude.
sure love the island and I miss home but man it has gotten rude.
Decades back marked gas was dirt cheap because it did not have tax on it which was somewhere around 70/80% if I recall correctly and marked gas was sold less the cost of tax which in today’s world would mean we would/should be paying something like 40 cents a liter for marked gas. The reason it was marked was so that it would be used in boats, farm and off road vehicle etc. and would show up on filters and gas lines etc if used by cheaters to save money in cars driven on the road and trying to avoid paying road and other tax. One wonders why even bother to put dye in it now if they now charge the same or more for it as there would seem to be little incentive to put it in road vehicles. Diesel was also dirt cheap compared to gas in those days.
In my opinion the Combines Act of those days was far more effective at insuring that prices were competitive and in protecting consumers. It prohibited monopolies, misleading advertising, bid rigging, price fixing and other means of limiting competition. More importantly it had some teeth and governments actually used it to keep big oil and other corps inline and protect Canadian Consumers. It was replaced by the Competition Act in 1986 which in my opinion was nothing more than a gift for Big Oil and other Corps. Unfortunately, especially in recent years our government never met an oil company who’s butt they did not want to kiss long and often. As for Canadian consumers, we don’t even come up on their radar except before elections when they find it necessary to spend millions of our tax dollars to educate us as to what a great job they are doing representing our interests.
In my opinion the Combines Act of those days was far more effective at insuring that prices were competitive and in protecting consumers. It prohibited monopolies, misleading advertising, bid rigging, price fixing and other means of limiting competition. More importantly it had some teeth and governments actually used it to keep big oil and other corps inline and protect Canadian Consumers. It was replaced by the Competition Act in 1986 which in my opinion was nothing more than a gift for Big Oil and other Corps. Unfortunately, especially in recent years our government never met an oil company who’s butt they did not want to kiss long and often. As for Canadian consumers, we don’t even come up on their radar except before elections when they find it necessary to spend millions of our tax dollars to educate us as to what a great job they are doing representing our interests.
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finaddict
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Attributed to either Mark Twain or Emma Goldman; "if voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it"
The point was that govt. did/do not get road tax etc on marked gas as it was not used on the roads which is the reason it is marked. If that is still the case then it is not a tax source for government but yet the price charged is now the same or higher which to me seems like profiteering by the oil corps at the expense of consumers using marked gas including boaters. They do not have to collect and remit the road tax, but they charge as if the do. Am I missing something?
eaglemaniac
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Not a thing Rockfish.
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finaddict
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Not missing anything, but I am pretty sure that over the years, all the additional taxes added to all gasoline has marginalized the % savings we used to get from marked gas. I think road tax accounts for about $0.10 per litre so the savings as gas continues to rise becomes less and less. http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_library/bulletins/mft-ct_003.pdf
Fisherman Rob
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Most of the taxes on fuel are collected per liter, not a percent of overall price, so overall taxes collected don't change much with price fluctuations at the pump:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_fuel_taxes_in_Canada
