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being a newbie to fishing offshore i was wondering when listening to the marine forecasts what wind speeds would be considered iffy for going offshore? i am running a 22ft thunderjet with a 14 degree dead rise. definately a river boat but was wondering when i am listening to the weather channel what kind of wind speeds should i be worried about? i am going to winter harbour on the 20-25 of july so any response to this would be grateful. i also have a buddy with the excact same boat so we would be fishing tandem.
 
If it says strong wind warning or higher, stay off the outside and fish the inside. You will be pounded with your river boat even if it is calm, just by the swells. It will be an uncomfortable ride to the "Highway" in your boat, no matter the weather.

Here is an explination about the different warnings. Just scroll down to the marine section.

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/mainmenu/faq_e.html

If you have never been offshore, I would take it very easy and make sure you have lots of everything.

Cheers

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thanks sitka i appreciate the advice! are you going to be around the area next week or are you going to be on the other side?
 
I'm not familier with that particular boat, but I have been off-shore in several Oregon style river boats - one with a jet drive even.

Prior to that, I would have said no way! But I've been out there on a couple of nasty days that I wouldn't want to take my 26' Campion out on, and these boats were great and safe.

On one, the fellow played and landed a 39 pound Chinook. We just cut the motor and let the wind and waves push us along as he played the fish. I have video of him as a big wave comes in and you hear everyone on the boat go "WHOA!" (Video is on YouTube).

I was very impressed with those boats.

As for going off-shore - that is ALWAYS the skippers call. If you are not confident or comfortable - don't do it.

I had a real eye-opener on July 4th when we pulled two guys off their over-turned 18.5' boat. It can happen to anyone, and in a big hurry, without warning.


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thanks for the info jim and i read all about july 4th!!!! here's to being in the right place at the right time:D
 
First, I would highly recommend anyone who wants to venture offshore to take the Coastguard courses! There is a lot of good information that can be learned! Could save a life or two, also! :)

I am assuming you have the "Rio Classic"? You kind of tell me that when you say deadrise is 14 degrees.

I quote, "An all-purpose hull—a common compromise—has a dead-rise angle of about 15 degrees." An 18 foot Trophy Walkaround has a deadrise of 16 degrees, so your deadrise is fine. The deeper-V hulls just provide a softer ride cutting through choppier waters, but it is a trade off. They are more reluctant to rise onto a plane, so we have more of a tendency to "plow" our way through chop. Your deeper V at the bow will allow the hull to cut through waves, while the flatter sections aft make for more efficient planning. You will actually get tossed around more than me while running, but less then me while trolling, as my hull does have a lot deeper V. You have a nice boat and correct me, but isn't your freeboard between 30-34 inches? I am not looking it up, but it does mean you have plenty of freeboard provided you aren't overloaded.

The general rule of thumb is a boat can safely handle "SEA STATES" up to 20-30 percent of their length. Therefore, with a 21-foot boat, the boat can safely handle up to 7.5 foot seas. This is seas, not swells. Swells are not really the issue.

"Swells refer to the actual size of the ocean waves. If there are swells of 10-12 feet, then there are large non-breaking waves that measure an average of 10-12 feet from the bottom of the trough to the top of the swell. Seas usually refers to the overall conditions in the ocean, such as calm seas or heavy seas. Rough seas are some combination of high swells and high winds. " I would throw the higher the winds, the greater the wind waves on top of the swells which creates rougher seas, into that definition?

So by design, YOUR BOAT is fine to handle up to Sea State 4, which is 1.25-2.5 meters, which equates to 20 knot winds: http://www.eustis.army.mil/WEATHER/Weather_Products/seastate.htm That puts you right at the "Strong Wind Warning" http://www.msc-smc.ec.gc.ca/weather/marine/pacific_e.html You are just as safe in your boat as any other 21 footer out there and your ride will not be that much different! I would be comfortable on your boat in those conditions all day long. And I have been out there in a whole lot worse!

So, to answer your question, you shouldn't go out with over 20 knot winds, unless you really know what you are doing! You should also not exceed your personal limitations or qualifications, either?



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in the 70s-80s, i ran a custom built 17 degree 'sled' with a turbo charged inboard + hamilton pump virtually everywhere. fishing the blue water was only an issue of slowing down. not it is the case the i didn't have to run very far to find fish but i have been out of site of land in that boat on calm seas. encountering long ocean swells of 18-20' was, ahhh, exciting but backing off was the only trick. once you get into wind waves, you will see the difference between a modest dead rise and a real blue water deep V (reelfast entry angle is 40 degrees). make sure you have the requisite saftey gear, a VHF, and use some common sense regarding running or not running. there were many days of getting up at 0300, driving to the launch ramp and calling the day without getting anything wet, just the way it goes.
 
My 20ft Alumaweld has a rear 18 degree deadrise, with full height transom.( essential if your a backing up on butts) Because the entry rise is somewhat blunter than a glass boat, and it is light, I do have a rougher ride than a lot of the glass boats. But I tend to be quite cautious with wind warnings. If its forecast over 20, I look for more shelter. The boat will take more pounding than my spine!

So why have this style of boat--- after you have fished from one, (the room is incredible) you will question why you stuck with glass for so long.

Common sense and learning slowly what your boat (and you) will handle is best. 25 miles off shore before you figure that out is asking for trouble.
Good luck

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25 miles offshore is not my idea of a way to ease into offshore fishing!!! i was sort of thinking 5 - 7 with my buddy boat right beside me and only if they are calling for a gentle breeze. i have all of the safety equip except radar. is that alright or should i make a VERY LAST MINUTE investment.
 
quote:Originally posted by jjmoffett

25 miles offshore is not my idea of a way to ease into offshore fishing!!! i was sort of thinking 5 - 7 with my buddy boat right beside me and only if they are calling for a gentle breeze. i have all of the safety equip except radar. is that alright or should i make a VERY LAST MINUTE investment.
If you talk to the locals they do not call August - August, but call it FOGUST! They do that for a reason!

VERY LAST MINUTE investment, would be advisable, if you are going to run in the fog????

Think about that? Low profile boat, no signature? 15 foot swells? Fog?

http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12833&whichpage=2
 
charlie you make some very good points however i ran out of time so i will have to use my discretion and watch the conditions.
 
quote:Originally posted by jjmoffett

charlie you make some very good points however i ran out of time so i will have to use my discretion and watch the conditions.
At least get a reflector... you will probably need and use it! And, remember, Quatsino Sound is a very large body of water, which can be very flat in the fog... That does not mean others with radar can see you! More than likely, they won't! Take it slow!

Good luck and catch a LOT of fish!

btw... offshore will be a lot better! run NNW from Kains to the "Highway", then South towards Brooks! Trolling direction doesn't seem to matter most</u> of the time! :)
 
charlie can you just pick up the reflector at any tackle shop along the way or should i be looking for some other place in particular?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t an aluminum boat like one big radar reflector?
jjmoffett good luck on your trip. Go get them.
GLG
 
quote:Originally posted by C.S.

Dont worry about fog,strong high pressure is moving in for your dates.Thats means it going to BLOW like hell every day!
[?] Hmmm... Looks like that might be some pretty good weather to me, with a good chance of morning fog? But, I just looked at the stormsurf and didn't pull up the extended marine forcast, taking your word that a high system is coming in... that would be a good thing? Methinks? High pressure systems are associated with clear, cool weather.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_system
http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display.cgi?a=npac_height

quote:Originally posted by GLG

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t an aluminum boat like one big radar reflector?
jjmoffett good luck on your trip. Go get them.
GLG

quote:"A radar reflector is a small device that is a very strong reflector of radar waves. (A one-foot diameter radar reflector is often as strong a radar target as an entire sailboat</u>.) One benefit from a radar reflector is that it overcomes the pulse cancellation effect of smooth seas, as long as you mount it high enough, because the radar target is no longer close to the surface. As a rule of (© Philip G. Gallman, 2009) thumb, mounting a radar reflector of the same RCS as the vessel hull 16 feet (5 meters) above the water overcomes the flat-sea pulse cancellation effect. With a good radar reflector, correctly mounted, the detection range table is applicable even in calm seas. A second benefit is that radar reflectors mitigate wave shadowing and improve detection reliability when the waves are about the same height as the target vessel's freeboard. A radar reflector mounted 16 feet above the wwaterline would be above the waves and would not be shadowed except in extreme conditions. A third benefit is extension of the radar horizon because the reflector is some distance above the waterline."

Pretty good explanation here http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12833&whichpage=2

That is a VERY low profile boat, with a low freeboard, which could get lost in the "pulse cancellation effect of smooth seas" and "sea clutter" very easily? I won't risk my life on it, but that is IMHO! Better safe, than sorry?
 
quote:Originally posted by C.S.

Well,I guess you have more experience than me on the NW side of the island Charlie[?]
But from my years of fishing offshore around the W.H./Cape Scott area is high pressure brings strong NW wind that keeps the fog away.
That being said,you may get some fog in the sound itself!

Any way...I'll be there on the 22'nd jjmoffet at the Gov warf.If you need a hand with gear or anything else,just ask!
Nope, not saying that at all, but I will say: Never... Never... disregard LOCAL knowledge! But, I will also say... I WILL RUN ALL DAY LONG, WITH A "HIGH PRESURE "! [?][:I]
 
What no suspension seats on your rig?
quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

My 20ft Alumaweld has a rear 18 degree deadrise, with full height transom.( essential if your a backing up on butts) Because the entry rise is somewhat blunter than a glass boat, and it is light, I do have a rougher ride than a lot of the glass boats. But I tend to be quite cautious with wind warnings. If its forecast over 20, I look for more shelter. The boat will take more pounding than my spine!



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full suspension seats in the front!!!! and also it is a hard top. so hopefully eight feet of the water is enough because if they do not have the tape at the river sportsman in cambell river we will have to stay in tight on the foggy days if there is any. C.S. i am in a blue thunderjet hard top staying at winter harbour lodge. my buddy has the same boat except his is white. so if you hear us talking on the radio give us a shout. my boat is named the "swamp donkey" and i would love to hear how you guys are making out.

later im going to bed. gotta run for the ferry in 3.5hrs!:D
 
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