Lurecharge

[Duffy]

I'm in the electic-skeptic camp. Maybe big voltages might have an effect, but for the small differences in voltage that a black box makes I don't believe it.

I wanted to see what the science actually said and went back and pulled up that UBC research paper. By no means does it give a definitive answer. It is a Master's thesis, not a peer reviewed (and critiqued) paper. The sample size was too small to be meaningful and the methodology had lots of room for improvement.

I'd say the reason that "top boats / highliners" used them was that the same captains who would be willing to spend money on one for that small improvement are probably the same captains that are putting the time and effort in to do lots of small things (keeping - and referring to - record of what works, finding the right areas/lures/depths/tides/etc.) that are going to improve their catch. Also, thinking you have a degree of control over what is a system with many variables is comforting. And if the boat next to you out fishes you one day and the captain is bragging about his black box, then spending a bit of cash to get one and then suffering from confirmation bias when you have a good day later one is going to make you feel good about your purchase (but if you had a bad or average day, its easy to blame on something else).

I'm in the electic-skeptic camp. Maybe big voltages might have an effect, but for the small differences in voltage that a black box makes I don't believe it.

I wanted to see what the science actually said and went back and pulled up that UBC research paper. By no means does it give a definitive answer. It is a Master's thesis, not a peer reviewed (and critiqued) paper. The sample size was too small to be meaningful and the methodology had lots of room for improvement.

I'd say the reason that "top boats / highliners" used them was that the same captains who would be willing to spend money on one for that small improvement are probably the same captains that are putting the time and effort in to do lots of small things (keeping - and referring to - record of what works, finding the right areas/lures/depths/tides/etc.) that are going to improve their catch. Also, thinking you have a degree of control over what is a system with many variables is comforting. And if the boat next to you out fishes you one day and the captain is bragging about his black box, then spending a bit of cash to get one and then suffering from confirmation bias when you have a good day later one is going to make you feel good about your purchase (but if you had a bad or average day, its easy to blame on something else).

Before there where downriggers and before they became popular wire line on a peetz rod and reel with 2 pounds of weight and 60 feet caught one hell of a lot of big springs in sooke, I wonder why, could it have been something to do with the electric charge going down the wire?

 

[brutus]

Before there where downriggers and before they became popular wire line on a peetz rod and reel with 2 pounds of weight and 60 feet caught one hell of a lot of big springs in sooke, I wonder why, could it have been something to do with the electric charge going down the wire?

From where ??? No black box to send the current down ?? Multimeter is coming out soon, I will test this theory, be my own mithbuster lol. I’ve tested my boats over the years, nothing I’ve found could be of value, decimal voltage is all I got

 

[Duffy]

From where ??? No black box to send the current down ?? Multimeter is coming out soon, I will test this theory, be my own mithbuster lol. I’ve tested my boats over the years, nothing I’ve found could be of value, decimal voltage is all I got

The current goes down the wire , The black box enables you to change the amount of current go down the wire,

 

[PEETZcanada]

From where ??? No black box to send the current down ?? Multimeter is coming out soon, I will test this theory, be my own mithbuster lol. I’ve tested my boats over the years, nothing I’ve found could be of value, decimal voltage is all I got

It happens via galvanic electrolysis reaction between dissimilar metals all the way through the system. Wire line to a lead and brass or copper eyed sinker the bead chain swivel where the sinker hangs to the metal flasher or dodger, to the lure. Especially if it was 50/50 finish. In Saanich inlet we were even deeper.

PEETZ slip sinkers are made of lead with two different type of wire, copper and brass. All three components create a galvanic charge. Not sure if they were made like that on purpose or not, but that is how they have been made since Boris Peetz invented them and Patented them in the 1930's.

Regardless there are lots of ways to create galvanic electrolysis that has potential to create a measurable electrical charge.

 

[JWS]

I have a friend who’s in the black box/electricity camp. Anytime I’ve heard him talk about it, with me or others, the conversation always stops with ‘go read ‘fishing with electricity’…’.

To each their own…

 

[brutus]

The current goes down the wire , The black box enables you to change the amount of current go down the wire,

Dude you said no black box, I know what a black box does, have a friend that has one, he realize it did not do s…. Once he switched to braid, did not do s… when it was on his cables either lol

 

[brutus]

I am out of this one, taze away

 

[PEETZcanada]

Here are a few articles that may help you along your journey of discovery. Nothing super new, but all good information.

Is Your Boat Voltage Tuned For Fishing? - Island Fisherman Magazine

How your boat's voltage signature effects the attraction or repulsion of fish, and tips on what you can do about it to get better results.

islandfishermanmagazine.com

Review: The Shocking Truth About LureCharge - Island Fisherman Magazine

First of all, many people say the idea of using ...

islandfishermanmagazine.com

Thread 'Halibut fishing: Effects of electrolosis'

Jun 6, 2012

Hello all

I'm curious. I see people advertising refined lead for cannon balls which is supposed to be better for fishing because there is no electrical charge created by the impurities in the lead reacting with salt water. I have the oportunity to use 3/4" steel bar stock instead of lead for halibut weights and am wondering if this will have an adverse effect on my success. Since I can get the steel for dirt cheap i'm very curious, but if it means I won't catch as many fish i'm not interested at all!

Any input would be great!

Thanks

FN

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System for attracting fish - Dampier Allan Richard

<div p-id="p-0001">A system for attracting fish by means of incorporating the metals of a lure, hook or fishing accessory along with anode metals to create a corrosion cell. The corrosion cell, also k

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Do you catch fish close to your boat?

Most anglers do not realize how much their boat has to with your fishing success rate. I trolled commercially on Canada's west coast for years and I know what I am talking about. I have since retired from that and have been developing and marketing voltage tuned fishing products for the last 6 ye...

www.greatlakesfisherman.com

electrolysis and fishing, setting up your boat!

ok... so i just start reading yesterday about electrolysis, anodes, voltage and fish. i never knew such thing existed lol reading up on scotty's black box they are mentioning anodes that creates voltage and makes stainless downrigger cable become a positive voltage? for setting up a boat they als...

www.lakeontariounited.com

Putting a voltage on a fishing lure by using dissimilar metals: FAQs + Q&A Forum

Putting a voltage on a fishing lure by using dissimilar metals

www.finishing.com

Downrigger Wire Voltages: Have We Been Getting it Wrong? - Island Fisherman Magazine

Most of us have been testing our downrigger wire voltage ...

islandfishermanmagazine.com

 

[Aquaholic]

I am out of this one, taze away

Do you not believe that there is a natural voltage charge on some boats due to dissimilar metals without using the black box? And that the voltage could be adjusted with a black box?

Or, do you not believe that fish are attracted or repelled to certain types of voltage that they can detect along their lateral line?

 

[brutus]

Do you not believe that there is a natural voltage charge on some boats due to dissimilar metals without using the black box? And that the voltage could be adjusted with a black box?

Or, do you not believe that fish are attracted or repelled to certain types of voltage that they can detect along their lateral line?

Not saying that, all I am saying is I don’t think it make a big enough difference to have anxiety over it lol, a quick search got me this, so unless you have a source of power going to a conductive wire you ain’t getting a… of a difference . Over the years I’ve seen boat with wiring so bad that it’s surprising they did not burn down,and they still catch lots of fish. To think that if you put a stainless hook to a brass spoon make a difference is pure insanity imo , I’ve got plated hook and stainless and use them all and don’t give me an advantage in catching and not. Location, gear I use, and the way I fish them is why I catch fish or not. Like I said you fish the bank when the fish are there and every single boat get fish on , every time the gear goes down, any boat period,,all there voltage reading the same ??? I don’t think so

 

[cuttlefish]

Thanks. I started learning this stuff in 1981 when I was trolling 90 flashers off of the Fraser for sockeye. The wife and I spent more time in the cabin drinking coffee and watching the other trollers steadily hauling in fish. I did a lot of research that winter about bonding systems and fish attraction to voltage. The first thing I learned that stuck in my head was of a university that was doing a study on the Columbia River. They installed 2 large steel pipes in the river, charged on positive and the other negative. The returning fish would only go through the positive charged pipe. After a concerted effort to bond the boat and the purchase of a Russell black box, my boat fished good after that.
I have been invited to the Pirate day sale at Harbor Chandler's store in Nanaimo for the 3rd yr. I will have my products there again this Saturday and can demonstrate voltage producing lures for those who are interested. )

Here’s a citizen science experiment anyone can try. Take a multimeter to your local hatchery that is feeding salmon fry in a tank. Set the multimeter on ohms. Put the two probes in the tank and watch which probe the fry try to nibble on. Just about every fry that approaches the positive probe will try to take a bite. Just about every fry that approaches the negative probe will swim away without taking a bite. So my hypothesis is that salmon fry are repelled by a negative charge.
When I used to troll commercially for 35 years I wouldn’t pay any attention to my boat’s black box when I was catching as well as the other boats nearby. I only fiddled with my voltage (black box setting of impressed voltage) when I was sucking the hind one. Confidence is key.

 

[wolf]

I will say you cant compare a commercial boat to a sport boat at all , If you have ever been on a commercial boat most of the time the wiring was a mess and ALOT of weird stuff going on ive seen speaker wire used house wire marie wire and no murrets etc so alot of them had some weird gremlins going on , They are not as clean as the northwestern on deadlist catch LOL.

Does voltage matter I still believe in wire but im old school . and my boat I have dialed in WITHOUT a black box 5.6 to 6.5, I think IF your using bait its more of the presentation then anything , I can put a piece of bait down and know from experience thats gonna get one!!!

1 year I was banging the S^*T of out spring on my ol lodge boat and I metered my boat and to my surprise it was well over 8 and i was still getting them. its all in how ya roll... LOL I am a firm believer it does make a difference but not 75 % maybe 25 %every advantage helps if your boat is tuned.
RVP has given you some great clues if you know anything about electricity ..you will understand it

 

[brutus]

I will say you cant compare a commercial boat to a sport boat at all , If you have ever been on a commercial boat most of the time the wiring was a mess and ALOT of weird stuff going on ive seen speaker wire used house wire marie wire and no murrets etc so alot of them had some weird gremlins going on , They are not as clean as the northwestern on deadlist catch LOL.

Does voltage matter I still believe in wire but im old school . and my boat I have dialed in WITHOUT a black box 5.6 to 6.5, I think IF your using bait its more of the presentation then anything , I can put a piece of bait down and know from experience thats gonna get one!!!

1 year I was banging the S^*T of out spring on my ol lodge boat and I metered my boat and to my surprise it was well over 8 and i was still getting them. its all in how ya roll... LOL I am a firm believer it does make a difference but not 75 % maybe 25 %every advantage helps if your boat is tuned.
RVP has given you some great clues if you know anything about electricity ..you will understand it

Oh I am very well verse in electricity, I just don’t believe in this voodoo electrical for fishing, they are fish, they not that smart. Took me a while to switch from wire to braid for that reason, once I made the switch and seen no difference I made my own conclusion lol

 

[brutus]

Here’s a citizen science experiment anyone can try. Take a multimeter to your local hatchery that is feeding salmon fry in a tank. Set the multimeter on voltage. Put the two probes in the tank and watch which probe the fry try to nibble on. Just about every fry that approaches the positive probe will try to take a bite. Just about every fry that approaches the negative probe will swim away without taking a bite. So my hypothesis is that salmon fry are repelled by a negative charge.
When I used to troll commercially for 35 years I wouldn’t pay any attention to my boat’s black box when I was catching as well as the other boats nearby. I only fiddled with my voltage (black box setting of impressed voltage) when I was sucking the hind one. Confidence is key.

In a friggin tank lol, not the ocean hundred of feet under or back of your boat

 

[PEETZcanada]

Not saying that, all I am saying is I don’t think it make a big enough difference to have anxiety over it lol, a quick search got me this, so unless you have a source of power going to a conductive wire you ain’t getting a… of a difference . Over the years I’ve seen boat with wiring so bad that it’s surprising they did not burn down,and they still catch lots of fish. To think that if you put a stainless hook to a brass spoon make a difference is pure insanity imo , I’ve got plated hook and stainless and use them all and don’t give me an advantage in catching and not. Location, gear I use, and the way I fish them is why I catch fish or not. Like I said you fish the bank when the fish are there and every single boat get fish on , every time the gear goes down, any boat period,,all there voltage reading the same ??? I don’t think so

lol.

Dissimilar metals combined to a single or any substraight of varying grades of the same named metal or two or more differnt metals whether plated, stainless, hi-carbon, blued, copper, brass, zink, lead, bronze, nickle, and more all have an effect and create an electrical charge when combined in any random group of two or more different metals and placed in a saltwater environment and in some cases freshwater, however a lesser effect.

Prime example Stainless crab traps are welded frames of one grade of stainless and softer wire stainless woven mesh to create an enclosure. If you fish the trap on its own with no zink in it, the wrire will corrode and wear away as the weakest link in the system. Add a zink to it and the zink will become the weakest link. This event in either case creates an electrical charge.

 

[Rain City]

lol.

Dissimilar metals combined to a single or any substraight of varying grades of the same named metal or two or more differnt metals whether plated, stainless, hi-carbon, blued, copper, brass, zink, lead, bronze, nickle, and more all have an effect and create an electrical charge when combined in any random group of two or more different metals and placed in a saltwater environment and in some cases freshwater, however a lesser effect.

Prime example Stainless crab traps are welded frames of one grade of stainless and softer wire stainless woven mesh to create an enclosure. If you fish the trap on its own with no zink in it, the wrire will corrode and wear away as the weakest link in the system. Add a zink to it and the zink will become the weakest link. This event in either case creates an electrical charge.

You really do have to spell it out for them eh? Lol

 

[brutus]

You really do have to spell it out for them eh? Lol

You can call me a retard all you want , and also believe what you want, he is talking about corrosion , I am talking about catching more fish with an imaginative curent on your lure

 

[Pineapple Express]

You can call me a retard all you want , and also believe what you want, he is talking about corrosion , I am talking about catching more fish with an imaginative curent on your lure

Sounds like "agree to disagree"

 

[brutus]

Sounds like "agree to disagree"

We will have to do a tournament style derby, ones with the tazer lures against the guys with bait, same place see who comes up on top, whiling to put $ on it 2anglers per boat ???? Any takers??? I got the jackel on my team who you going to bring ???

 

[Rain City]

You can call me a retard all you want , and also believe what you want, he is talking about corrosion , I am talking about catching more fish with an imaginative curent on your lure

Never! I have no doubt that every guy on here catches more fish than the other guys on here. I'm more of a voodoo than science guy myself.