I bought a solar system today. Does that make me a space cadet?

I bought my system before the rebate was announced. the projected pay back is 10 years at today's rates . Show me another investment with a guaranteed 10% return.
I don’t think solar is bad I just think for most people, that money could probably be better spent to improve the houses efficiency. Getting rid of baseboard electric for a heat pump, better windows and doors, on demand water , swapping to gas vs electric, wood stove etc. We have relatively cheap electricity here compared to other places in North America. I’m not trashing solar in any way. It’s your money and I hope it works out great. The comment about the grants is more towards electric vehicles . I think it was Ontario where the grants disappeared and the sales plummeted instantly.
 
Seriously having a hard time getting my head around the prices in here for solar systems that aren't even vaguely accurate. Bunch of flat panels? It doesn't look anything like that.

My wife made this for my kid's room and it's probably thirty bucks worth of wool and looks WAY more like the solar system than anything I have seen in this thread. You guys are all kinds of messed up.

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One of my old school buddies is quoted. Funny when Solar companies call up my business they say they can't afford to pay to hire employees and when they provide me with a quote for solar I say I can't afford the quote because I fish and have a boat. So much for a green economy, but I really need good flexible solar panels on my boat!
Merlin Solar panels are head in high regard for semi-flexible panels. They have some really unique shapes as well. Long, skinny, square. Peel and stick. They have panels that 10 feet long but less than 2 feet wide. I havent found pricing...not sure i want to know.
 
@fish brain any updates on how you are liking your solar?

With the price of batteries dropping it is starting to make sense to buy one for storage rather then selling it to hydro and having to buy it back for more $.

Interesting take on how China is killing it in solar and batteries.
It seems to be be doing everything it's supposed to. We are still operating on our summer credits and will do for most of the winter. We are considering enlarging the system to accommodate our rental house which is on the main service, but wasn't included in the initial power consumption calculations. We are also contemplating adding a Tesla Powerwall to the main house. It'll be a whack of cash up front and I am unsure about the convenience vs payback of the Powerwall.
 
Do your research on battery storage, and take your time. Some signs that EV rebates are likely to phase out, funds being redirected toward EV charging infra, solar arrays and home energy storage. Maybe also see what the federal conservatives have in their platform on home storage - grab what you can in the next year if they're making noises about cutting incentives for renewables and batteries.
 
Some DIY types buy degraded early-model Nissan Leaf batteries and use them as home storage. The first series Leafs didn't have meaningful thermal management and lost range fairly quickly as a result. But home energy storage use has slow charge and discharge rates compared to EV, so the older air cooled batteries handle this a lot better and can have a useful second life.
 
My whole subdivision has transitioned to brand new asphalt from wood shingles due to fire threats and age.
Do the solar installers use care to waterproof their fasteners? Quite a few neighbours sre moving to solar.
 
My whole subdivision has transitioned to brand new asphalt from wood shingles due to fire threats and age.
Do the solar installers use care to waterproof their fasteners? Quite a few neighbours sre moving to solar.

I think they usually suggest not doing it unless your redoing your roof at the same time
 
My whole subdivision has transitioned to brand new asphalt from wood shingles due to fire threats and age.
Do the solar installers use care to waterproof their fasteners? Quite a few neighbours sre moving to solar.

I had Shift do my roof a
few months ago and they used RT-Mini fasteners. The screws are self tapping and self sealing. And maintain the warranty on the roof. Here’s the info sheet:

https://design.roof-tech.us/PDF/Brochures/Brochure-RT_MINI.pdf
 
BC Hydro is kind of backwards. If they buy the extra kmh and then resell it for more why would they want to put a cap on supply?

The world works on supply and demand.

If they buy for 0.03 then sell for 0.10 why stop the supply? They make money with minimum investment.
With the emphasis on going to electric cars, mostly in cities so far and not having enough infrastructure to support the growing demand this policy or law makes no sense at all.

It seems I remember a few years ago some folks were making pretty good money when hydro had to pay the same they pay the US for their power. But Hydro complained it was unfair so the Liberals created a law banning surplus power generation and then promptly started the site C dam project.

All possible residential power generation is not taken into account when estimating power supply needs.

It seems dinosaurs run Hydro and have enough pull in government to just suck more money out of the public, just another hidden tax. They better get modern before they are chasing other NA generators. If they start doing this in California BC Hydro will lose multi millions is sales.

WAAaay back BC Hydro was created for the benefit of BCer's then that criminal hack Campbell tied BC into the NA grid so we had to compete for folks in NY for our power.

The power needs for BC are estimated to exceed production even with the new site C dam very shortly.

He came to power starting in Vancouver with a worth of just over a million in 1993 and ended with a net worth of 175 million in 2020 all as a public servant figure that one out.

Enough of that rant.

Hydro, out of need, should pay half what they can charge to your neighbors for the same electricity.
 
BC Hydro is kind of backwards. If they buy the extra kmh and then resell it for more why would they want to put a cap on supply?

The world works on supply and demand.

If they buy for 0.03 then sell for 0.10 why stop the supply? They make money with minimum investment.
With the emphasis on going to electric cars, mostly in cities so far and not having enough infrastructure to support the growing demand this policy or law makes no sense at all.

It seems I remember a few years ago some folks were making pretty good money when hydro had to pay the same they pay the US for their power. But Hydro complained it was unfair so the Liberals created a law banning surplus power generation and then promptly started the site C dam project.

All possible residential power generation is not taken into account when estimating power supply needs.

It seems dinosaurs run Hydro and have enough pull in government to just suck more money out of the public, just another hidden tax. They better get modern before they are chasing other NA generators. If they start doing this in California BC Hydro will lose multi millions is sales.

WAAaay back BC Hydro was created for the benefit of BCer's then that criminal hack Campbell tied BC into the NA grid so we had to compete for folks in NY for our power.

The power needs for BC are estimated to exceed production even with the new site C dam very shortly.

He came to power starting in Vancouver with a worth of just over a million in 1993 and ended with a net worth of 175 million in 2020 all as a public servant figure that one out.

Enough of that rant.

Hydro, out of need, should pay half what they can charge to your neighbors for the same electricity.
Because the infrastructure can't handle it. They rely on private developers to pay for upgrades to the system as each new development is built. That's the real scam.
 
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So for an average house and garage what does that work out too ?

You have to look at it from a yearly perspective because most of your power generation and thus power credits come from the summer months.

Any overage of power goes to the grid as a 1:1 credit. If there are any credits left over at the end of the year (March 1) you get paid at wholesale price.

My neighbour pays just 200$ for hydro now over the year down from 4000$

Also depends on the size of your system, house location
etc. Lots of variables. Best to call one of the companies for a quote if you really want to know.
 
There's a cost to the utility for connecting and managing home generated power. It requires an additional layer of isolation, spread across thousands of producers, and it's less predictable. In places like CA and Australia where there has been a rapid and widespread uptake of home solar, there are real headaches with maintaining balance between grid inputs and loads. Major spikes in power when the sun comes out are a challenge, as thermal power plants can't easily or quickly taper back or shut down (natural gas is somewhat agile, coal is much more monolithic).

Utilities in these places have reduced feed in tariffs on home solar, sometimes to zero, to subdue ongoing rapid growth until the grid has sufficient management features in place like grid scale batteries, pumped hydro, etc. They do want the growth in solar to continue, but at a manageable pace. Nowadays the rebates and incentives are directed at storage batteries in homes, to soften those big spikes and plunges from solar.

Utilities have to be careful that they are covering the true cost of accepting renewable power when they set rates and feed in tariffs, otherwise you have a situation where existing, non-solar customers are subsidizing the renewables people. I can't see BC Hydro sustaining a 1:1 feed in rate for very long. It's an incentive to get momentum going, but doesn't pay for its management costs, so cannot responsibly last long term.
 
FWIW last month I was in a builder training course that included presentations from Fortis gas and BC Hydro, giving an overview of BC's current and future energy needs. Nothing like the doomsaying out in social media land.
- BC buys and sells power constantly to help balance the grid, but remains a net exporter of electricity.
- BC needs a 15% increase in generation to meet 2030 needs, allowing for population growth, EVs and increased electrification of housing
- Site C project will provide 9% growth once in full production
- no more big hydro dams contemplated
- there's a call out at the moment for proposals for power projects to provide that 1% per annum growth needed to meet 2030 demand.
- BC Hydro thinks most of these will be renewables, wind and solar. And likely some expansion/optimization of run of river hydro.
 
There's a cost to the utility for connecting and managing home generated power. It requires an additional layer of isolation, spread across thousands of producers, and it's less predictable. In places like CA and Australia where there has been a rapid and widespread uptake of home solar, there are real headaches with maintaining balance between grid inputs and loads. Major spikes in power when the sun comes out are a challenge, as thermal power plants can't easily or quickly taper back or shut down (natural gas is somewhat agile, coal is much more monolithic).

Utilities in these places have reduced feed in tariffs on home solar, sometimes to zero, to subdue ongoing rapid growth until the grid has sufficient management features in place like grid scale batteries, pumped hydro, etc. They do want the growth in solar to continue, but at a manageable pace. Nowadays the rebates and incentives are directed at storage batteries in homes, to soften those big spikes and plunges from solar.

Utilities have to be careful that they are covering the true cost of accepting renewable power when they set rates and feed in tariffs, otherwise you have a situation where existing, non-solar customers are subsidizing the renewables people. I can't see BC Hydro sustaining a 1:1 feed in rate for very long. It's an incentive to get momentum going, but doesn't pay for its management costs, so cannot responsibly last long term.
Is it less predicable tho? I’ve only had my roof solar for a few months but can already see patterns in generation to the point where I can say with reasonable confidence how much energy I will make on any given day based on the weather. If I can do this with a simple solar app then I would hope utilities can do much better to forecast and adjust their own power generation given they do this for a living.

Also, BCHydro very recently started offering significant rebates for both solar power generation and storage, up to 5k each. This tells me BCHydro anyway, has a good idea of what is going on.
 
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At work were considering buying a battery system, They come in a container and BC hydro is offering to pay 80% of the cost as long as they can draw from the system for up to 20 days a year. Will also reduce cost with surge pricing from turning off and on industrial equipment

 
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