Time
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Not to stir the pot, but here's a 224 pounder caught off Port Townsend last weekend.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_050709WAB-fish-story-KC.45a3a17.html
As you will see, the online comments pretty much mimic the postings here.
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_050709WAB-fish-story-KC.45a3a17.html
As you will see, the online comments pretty much mimic the postings here.
The SportfishingBC prannock quote of the day - "but the bottom line is those that make that choice {to keep a once in a life time hali} are simply dooming the overall fishery."
Bear in mind the 12% sport catch is allocated as "catchable" (i.e. meant to be harvested!) Canada is supposed to and wants the public to "extract" those fish from the ocean. The IHPC scientists know full well the catch (both commercial and sport) in the North Pacific includes large halibut. Hence they allocate TAC based on a very conservative catch amount using precautionary management principles. The TAC allocated is supposed to be caught and bonked.
FYI - IPHC Stats for 2009</u>
Total halibut biomass in North Pacific - 1,300,000,000 lbs and growing (near highest ever biomass).
2009 Exploitable Biomass (can be killed without harming overall stock composition)in North Pacific 325,000,000 lbs
2009 total catchable all countries 54,000,000 lbs
2009 Canada's total catchable 7,630,000 lbs
2009 Cdn commercial catch 6,700,000 lbs
2009 Cdn sport catch(12%) 918,000 lbs
2009 approx Cdn sport hali catch over 150 lbs per - 45,000 lbs (i.e. about 75,000 anglers try their luck each year at halibut fishing on BCs coast and only about 300 take a fish bigger than 150 lbs - and truthfully speaking its prbably less than that)
Pacific halibut are clearly NOT a stock of concern. The Point made with the stats above is it shows how absolutely insignificant it is by catching and keeping a once in a life time halibut in the big picture.
With tongue in cheek ... I know let's lobby for "catch and release" commercial halibut fishing, then the real problem of doomed stock will disappear as they murder 88% of Cdas TAC of halis plus keep all the large ones
Oh, and while we're at it how about asking MoE for shoot and release trophy deer hunting (wing the big ol'f^*&ker with yer 30-06, get a few digi pix, rub the wound with some polysporin, apply a bandaid and let him live to screw again). [}
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Catch and release is a personal choice for all who fish and a management tool used to keep angling opportunity in tact when overall abundance of a stock is low. Halibut are NOT managed by catch and release because there is no stock concern when harvesting within Canadas TAC. Please please let's not get in a blinkered mind set of the Thompson River Steelhead issue incorrectly adling our brains on halibut.
Catch and release a halibut any size if you want - its your personal choice - I say good on you! Bonk a "once in a life time" hali - its your personal choice - I say good on you too!!
Gov
God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton
Bear in mind the 12% sport catch is allocated as "catchable" (i.e. meant to be harvested!) Canada is supposed to and wants the public to "extract" those fish from the ocean. The IHPC scientists know full well the catch (both commercial and sport) in the North Pacific includes large halibut. Hence they allocate TAC based on a very conservative catch amount using precautionary management principles. The TAC allocated is supposed to be caught and bonked.
FYI - IPHC Stats for 2009</u>
Total halibut biomass in North Pacific - 1,300,000,000 lbs and growing (near highest ever biomass).
2009 Exploitable Biomass (can be killed without harming overall stock composition)in North Pacific 325,000,000 lbs
2009 total catchable all countries 54,000,000 lbs
2009 Canada's total catchable 7,630,000 lbs
2009 Cdn commercial catch 6,700,000 lbs
2009 Cdn sport catch(12%) 918,000 lbs
2009 approx Cdn sport hali catch over 150 lbs per - 45,000 lbs (i.e. about 75,000 anglers try their luck each year at halibut fishing on BCs coast and only about 300 take a fish bigger than 150 lbs - and truthfully speaking its prbably less than that)
Pacific halibut are clearly NOT a stock of concern. The Point made with the stats above is it shows how absolutely insignificant it is by catching and keeping a once in a life time halibut in the big picture.
With tongue in cheek ... I know let's lobby for "catch and release" commercial halibut fishing, then the real problem of doomed stock will disappear as they murder 88% of Cdas TAC of halis plus keep all the large ones
Oh, and while we're at it how about asking MoE for shoot and release trophy deer hunting (wing the big ol'f^*&ker with yer 30-06, get a few digi pix, rub the wound with some polysporin, apply a bandaid and let him live to screw again). [}
] Catch and release is a personal choice for all who fish and a management tool used to keep angling opportunity in tact when overall abundance of a stock is low. Halibut are NOT managed by catch and release because there is no stock concern when harvesting within Canadas TAC. Please please let's not get in a blinkered mind set of the Thompson River Steelhead issue incorrectly adling our brains on halibut.
Catch and release a halibut any size if you want - its your personal choice - I say good on you! Bonk a "once in a life time" hali - its your personal choice - I say good on you too!!
Gov
God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton
Sushihunter
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Well stated, Gov.
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spring time
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ok cliff jumper some good spin off for the guide boats. but here's the side off the commercial guys million dollar halibut boat insurance moorage fuel at 12-22 gallons an hour to run to the charlottes. food, gears bait. then the economic benefits. 6 crews income for the year shore workers to off load the fish, the truckers who bring it to the processors the filleters. the fish stores who sells it, the little old lady who can't go out in fear off breaking a hip or heart attack. or the general consumer who can't afford the 800 -1000 bucks for a couple of fish. as for the catch and release thing everybody wants a trophy wether it's fishing or hunting.
Sushihunter
Active Member
Perhaps they could just sell some of that frozen Halibut that's been in storage since last year - you know, the stuff they couldn't sell.
Might even get a discount now that it is freezer burnt...
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fish4all
Well-Known Member
Exactly.. trophy fishing should be changed. Make the derby winner a hidden weight so all fish are landed or get rid of the derby mentality all together. Can you imagine the amount of fish dumped dead looking for the big one.. time to get out of the stone age.
As for those that still try to play the "it's not a conservation issue"card get a grip. 45% reduction in the last few years. Probable reduction again for 2010 if this is not due to a conservation prolbem then explain the decline.
Truncated year class, no big fish in BC or southeast Alaska.. yup keep up the good work.
Oh yeah, congradulations to the guy "catching" the fish I still don't agree with killing it.
all you folks in B.C. have to do is look across the strait to see what's headed your way. log on to WDFW web site and read the saltwater regs. this year we lost another 2 weeks of the sport halibut season. salmon fishing has been a joke for decades now.
the pioneer mind set '...everything for me, screw you...' may give you a chuckle when you read those posts, but in reality, that mindset is what has put us in the pickle we are in right now. and that applies to commercial, guides and sporties, no matter your ethnic background, we all share the blame and we all need to share in solutions. those solutions begin with the release of ancient spawing fish along with wild anadramous fish of all stripes.
from what i have seen of the island eco systems, they are pretty much as screwed as those in the lower 48. kid yourselves all you want, but the fish are headed for extinction while you are still killing everything you can get your hands on.
the pioneer mind set '...everything for me, screw you...' may give you a chuckle when you read those posts, but in reality, that mindset is what has put us in the pickle we are in right now. and that applies to commercial, guides and sporties, no matter your ethnic background, we all share the blame and we all need to share in solutions. those solutions begin with the release of ancient spawing fish along with wild anadramous fish of all stripes.
from what i have seen of the island eco systems, they are pretty much as screwed as those in the lower 48. kid yourselves all you want, but the fish are headed for extinction while you are still killing everything you can get your hands on.
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cliffjumper
Guest
Hali breeders & Enviros..
Evidentally the real bad guys in the Hali-debate are the oil companies... 22 gal/hr, transport trucks, power to processing plants & freezers.
Of course many involved in seasonal work, thumping out $30ooo-$70ooo/yr who promptly go on "Employment" insurance is no big problem.
Forget there are no greater conservationists than those whose recreational avocation is hunting fishing and generally getting out & using the outdoors. That includes those with campfires. Ducks Unlimited certainly know their members are closet criminals, as a guy with an "enviro-foundation' in Vancouver would say.
The nouveau enviros, believe all human touch in any destination is criminal... You all know which enviro-guy said this last year "don't agree with me... belong in jail"... He wants all back country access forbidden, except to him & his helicopter so that you will pay for his "research" in all the fabulous distant places the forest companies now block access to.. And how again did they get the money to buy all this land and call it private?.. I thought they've been losing money for a half-century... Was that a sort-of deal like the Halibut allowable catch thing??... Gifted in perpetutity?.. So only they could "sensitivly"-manage the stocks?
The nouveau enviros, know people ought to be stacked-up in cities on a minimum land footprint, housed in devices which take no energy, produced no emissions, used no natural or unnatural product to create, and disturb no living creature, nor provide sustinence to any living thing.
They would have you know fish farms are a morally & practical devastation for their little picture, and harvesting those poor little wild "sea-kittens" is simply outright slaughter of the innocent.
Of course another group would stop you from harvesting those living, breathing and sensitive trees, which must also mean the wheat, oats & barley are sensitive and feel pain when harvested for bread and beer.
Were it not for zoos & aquariums, people would still be strutting in their leopard-skin pillbox hats and harpooning blue whales.
Were it not for the feeling of the power of a fish on your line, you truly couldn't give a cow's methane for the state of fish.
Books devastate trees, computers devestate history, and are made of oil, thus learning should be banned. The elders consume social resources, thus ought to choose to leave us in peace, while the newborn risk creating human overpopulation, which means they ought to be neutered at birth.
Am I extreme?, No. I have discussed those concepts & statements with the politicals and their NGO-behind the scenes speech writers. They obfuscate their meaning..."encourage" means "beat you on the head with a club. They learned well from Marx, Joe & Adolph... "The media are (their) most useful idiots." Their stock-in-trade is sophistry which empower their elite only to enjoy the pleasures of free people.
Breeder Hali?... they're all breeders. That one escaped the dredgers for a little while longer than most.
C&R?... The Swiss killed that debate. C&R has mortality involved. Now, You MUST kill everything you catch, regardless size or species... It goes into your creel, and subject to your limits. But, then, they also have laws which fine you or jail you for so much as yelling at a dog... Cruelty to animals.
Nouveau-enviros make you believe they are the only right, yet they wear oil-based products, cotton from the Aral Sea, silk from slave-labour Asia... driving vehicles made of metal (coal-burned & rivers dammed), plastic (oil-product) rubber (plantation-farmed) and drink cappicinos (plantation-farmed.. but "fair-trade"???, which means what?).. They eat those poor sensitive veggies (irrigated & fertilized, but organic???), fish, not from those eco-criminal farms, but from those poor little wild sea-kittens, and beef, and we all know, bovines are the worst eco-criminals on the planet for their flatulence and need for valued farm-space. Let us not forget, they do love their seared bluefin tuna... Anyone seen a tuna ranch?.. not pretty.
The eco's may have it right after all... Stop human life.
If seals looked as cute as seasnakes... would the reporter have a story?[?][8)]
Sorry, I get a bit carried away, but 6 guys on a boat, 10 boats, six women in a plant, a lifetime freebie on my buck, a 400% markup in a non-Canadian store, Russian & Asian freezer-ships taking all slabs of anything organic, herring fishery... for the roe? & fertilizer? ... vs.. 1000 guides & 75,000 clients province-wide mostly C&R?? I can't let this one slide... Heritage... 2- 275 mercs on a tin boat with 5 300win mags & plastic floats to naturally harvest a whale?.. Heritage?.. Culture?
Evidentally the real bad guys in the Hali-debate are the oil companies... 22 gal/hr, transport trucks, power to processing plants & freezers.
Of course many involved in seasonal work, thumping out $30ooo-$70ooo/yr who promptly go on "Employment" insurance is no big problem.
Forget there are no greater conservationists than those whose recreational avocation is hunting fishing and generally getting out & using the outdoors. That includes those with campfires. Ducks Unlimited certainly know their members are closet criminals, as a guy with an "enviro-foundation' in Vancouver would say.
The nouveau enviros, believe all human touch in any destination is criminal... You all know which enviro-guy said this last year "don't agree with me... belong in jail"... He wants all back country access forbidden, except to him & his helicopter so that you will pay for his "research" in all the fabulous distant places the forest companies now block access to.. And how again did they get the money to buy all this land and call it private?.. I thought they've been losing money for a half-century... Was that a sort-of deal like the Halibut allowable catch thing??... Gifted in perpetutity?.. So only they could "sensitivly"-manage the stocks?
The nouveau enviros, know people ought to be stacked-up in cities on a minimum land footprint, housed in devices which take no energy, produced no emissions, used no natural or unnatural product to create, and disturb no living creature, nor provide sustinence to any living thing.
They would have you know fish farms are a morally & practical devastation for their little picture, and harvesting those poor little wild "sea-kittens" is simply outright slaughter of the innocent.
Of course another group would stop you from harvesting those living, breathing and sensitive trees, which must also mean the wheat, oats & barley are sensitive and feel pain when harvested for bread and beer.
Were it not for zoos & aquariums, people would still be strutting in their leopard-skin pillbox hats and harpooning blue whales.
Were it not for the feeling of the power of a fish on your line, you truly couldn't give a cow's methane for the state of fish.
Books devastate trees, computers devestate history, and are made of oil, thus learning should be banned. The elders consume social resources, thus ought to choose to leave us in peace, while the newborn risk creating human overpopulation, which means they ought to be neutered at birth.
Am I extreme?, No. I have discussed those concepts & statements with the politicals and their NGO-behind the scenes speech writers. They obfuscate their meaning..."encourage" means "beat you on the head with a club. They learned well from Marx, Joe & Adolph... "The media are (their) most useful idiots." Their stock-in-trade is sophistry which empower their elite only to enjoy the pleasures of free people.
Breeder Hali?... they're all breeders. That one escaped the dredgers for a little while longer than most.
C&R?... The Swiss killed that debate. C&R has mortality involved. Now, You MUST kill everything you catch, regardless size or species... It goes into your creel, and subject to your limits. But, then, they also have laws which fine you or jail you for so much as yelling at a dog... Cruelty to animals.
Nouveau-enviros make you believe they are the only right, yet they wear oil-based products, cotton from the Aral Sea, silk from slave-labour Asia... driving vehicles made of metal (coal-burned & rivers dammed), plastic (oil-product) rubber (plantation-farmed) and drink cappicinos (plantation-farmed.. but "fair-trade"???, which means what?).. They eat those poor sensitive veggies (irrigated & fertilized, but organic???), fish, not from those eco-criminal farms, but from those poor little wild sea-kittens, and beef, and we all know, bovines are the worst eco-criminals on the planet for their flatulence and need for valued farm-space. Let us not forget, they do love their seared bluefin tuna... Anyone seen a tuna ranch?.. not pretty.
The eco's may have it right after all... Stop human life.
If seals looked as cute as seasnakes... would the reporter have a story?[?][8)]
Sorry, I get a bit carried away, but 6 guys on a boat, 10 boats, six women in a plant, a lifetime freebie on my buck, a 400% markup in a non-Canadian store, Russian & Asian freezer-ships taking all slabs of anything organic, herring fishery... for the roe? & fertilizer? ... vs.. 1000 guides & 75,000 clients province-wide mostly C&R?? I can't let this one slide... Heritage... 2- 275 mercs on a tin boat with 5 300win mags & plastic floats to naturally harvest a whale?.. Heritage?.. Culture?
islandboy
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Pa always said apply the three finger rule: Pay attention to where the other three fingers are directed when you see someone pointing their accusing finger at someone.
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highlights
Active Member
Fish of a lifetime? You going to get out only that once? Or are you going to better that fish next year by a hundred pounds and feel the need to call it your current and new fish of a life time. It's akin to chasing rainbows and the pot of gold. Any fish of a lifetime can be outdone. And make no mistake about it. It will be out done by you and again you will easily justify killing it as your "fish of a lifetime"
Would I have killed it? Maybe. I am not apposed to killing it. I must suggest though that it is a monster job of cleaning and packing that sucker. Once the glamorous brag shots are taken at the dock , you'll soon find yourself at home with the task of disposing of the giant carcass. ( and yes it went home , because we all know that it was your ego that got you in this mess in the first place. It's home because you want all your neighbours to see it. LOL From my experience anyway) Then the freezer space. Hmmm, no more space. So I give away 100lbs of that meat to friends and family. Nothing more upsetting to be invited to the inlaws a year later to cook that gifted meat and find it severly freezer burned. Yuk. And to think I was being diligeant with the meat. Hmmmm. Should have just kept a couple nice 30lbers and been done with it. Bottom line is and with no other reason to let one go other than the fact that it is a large egg laying female. No real need to kill it unless it is bang for your buck but like I said before , by the time I get to that 100 th pound of meat, I think I'd rather have a steak!
Just my take guys
....and please let's not get caught with our pants down this time! Despite our greatest wishes, this bounty will not last forever unless we give it the chance. Like hatchery steelhead on the river. Kill it because we are supposed to? C'mon thats just crazy talk. Kill it if you want and have need to, but don't just jump on the band wagon here.
Would I have killed it? Maybe. I am not apposed to killing it. I must suggest though that it is a monster job of cleaning and packing that sucker. Once the glamorous brag shots are taken at the dock , you'll soon find yourself at home with the task of disposing of the giant carcass. ( and yes it went home , because we all know that it was your ego that got you in this mess in the first place. It's home because you want all your neighbours to see it. LOL From my experience anyway) Then the freezer space. Hmmm, no more space. So I give away 100lbs of that meat to friends and family. Nothing more upsetting to be invited to the inlaws a year later to cook that gifted meat and find it severly freezer burned. Yuk. And to think I was being diligeant with the meat. Hmmmm. Should have just kept a couple nice 30lbers and been done with it. Bottom line is and with no other reason to let one go other than the fact that it is a large egg laying female. No real need to kill it unless it is bang for your buck but like I said before , by the time I get to that 100 th pound of meat, I think I'd rather have a steak!
Just my take guys
....and please let's not get caught with our pants down this time! Despite our greatest wishes, this bounty will not last forever unless we give it the chance. Like hatchery steelhead on the river. Kill it because we are supposed to? C'mon thats just crazy talk. Kill it if you want and have need to, but don't just jump on the band wagon here.
You know, painting everything the same colour is just as dumb as ignoring facts. Being proactive and act conservation in general is good but harvesting where appropriate and harvesting your TAC, if you have good use for it, is appropriate. Since we all should be grown ups everyone of us should be able to make his own call on his catch and you others mind your own business if someone else played appropriately by the rules. Hats off to the lucky anglers who caught an elusive barndoor and enjoyed the meat!
wolf
Well-Known Member
I used to be all for letting a big hali go but not now as this government doesnt give 2 $h1ts about you and me that has gotten quite apperent so you know what if they want to hammer us with a reduced TAC then go for it fish away!!!!
As this whole fiascal is NOT a conservation issue its all about government and the control they want over us and thats it!!!!!!
IF it was about conservation then by all means ID be for it do you really think for one min. a commercial is going to throw back big halibut NO WAY in hell it just makes his total lbs go fast and then hes off the water to sell his quota plain and simple, oh but wait you didnt fill your quota that ok we will let you fill it this year WTF.
So you know what guys go out and kill them all and fish till you cant fish anymore because we wont be able to soon enough as the writing is on the wall you I bet you may only have 3 months and then it will be closed so better get it done.
Good luck Wolf
As this whole fiascal is NOT a conservation issue its all about government and the control they want over us and thats it!!!!!!
IF it was about conservation then by all means ID be for it do you really think for one min. a commercial is going to throw back big halibut NO WAY in hell it just makes his total lbs go fast and then hes off the water to sell his quota plain and simple, oh but wait you didnt fill your quota that ok we will let you fill it this year WTF.
So you know what guys go out and kill them all and fish till you cant fish anymore because we wont be able to soon enough as the writing is on the wall you I bet you may only have 3 months and then it will be closed so better get it done.
Good luck Wolf
Rum Buddies
Well-Known Member
chill out wolf - telling people to go kill everything in sight is not responsible.
The fact is the overall biomass IS down, which is why we'll fill our TAC by maybe mid summer.
I understand the situation 100% but I'm getting a little tired of guys conveniently not mentioning the lower biomass and working themselves up into a froth.
I've heard that guy is real hali legend, I thin he's out of renfrew now: http://www.viciousfishcharters.com/ ?
The fact is the overall biomass IS down, which is why we'll fill our TAC by maybe mid summer.
I understand the situation 100% but I'm getting a little tired of guys conveniently not mentioning the lower biomass and working themselves up into a froth.
I've heard that guy is real hali legend, I thin he's out of renfrew now: http://www.viciousfishcharters.com/ ?
Pappa S
Just a small correction .... Halibut overall biomass (TBio) is 1,300,000,000 lbs in North Pacific and probably is as high as it has ever been and growing. The demographic within the overall stock that is and has been a concern to IPHC is the SBio (female spawning biomass)
From the IPHC website: "The 2009 female spawning biomass (for North Pacific) is estimated to be 315,000,000 lbs. ...... SBio is a bit over 3% higher than the 2008 beginning of year value estimated in the 2007 assessment.
Gov
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scott craven
Well-Known Member
How the hell do they know just how many million lbs of Halibut
there are swimming around down there ?
I cannot understand how Halibut can be measured as opposed to Salmon
which can be counted in the river's.
there are swimming around down there ?
I cannot understand how Halibut can be measured as opposed to Salmon
which can be counted in the river's.
Deewar25
Well-Known Member
gov, how come the DFO seem to think otherwise per my recent letter I got back from them??? We are at the highest ever yet they say we declined??????
(4th paragraph)
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12053
Deewar,
I read the paragraph in your letter response on conservation. Andrew T at DFO does not have it right as he misstates about the "halibut biomass" He is not specific about what biomass and hence one presumes he writes of total biomass. That is actually high and growing as per IPHC.
Yes, the TAC (Total Allowable Catch) has been going down for few past years at the recommendation of IPHC to counteract the low SBio (female spawner biomass)
The total biomass being this high is a good news story. It means we are NOT witnessing the last hali in the ocean on its road to extinction (as reelfast would have you believe). IPHC are being very precautionary which is the right thing in this climate changing time. But soon (next few years) the full expectation is the stock of catchable halibut will start to move up as masses and masses of young fish recruit into the exploitable biomass.
Gov
God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton
I read the paragraph in your letter response on conservation. Andrew T at DFO does not have it right as he misstates about the "halibut biomass" He is not specific about what biomass and hence one presumes he writes of total biomass. That is actually high and growing as per IPHC.
Yes, the TAC (Total Allowable Catch) has been going down for few past years at the recommendation of IPHC to counteract the low SBio (female spawner biomass)
The total biomass being this high is a good news story. It means we are NOT witnessing the last hali in the ocean on its road to extinction (as reelfast would have you believe). IPHC are being very precautionary which is the right thing in this climate changing time. But soon (next few years) the full expectation is the stock of catchable halibut will start to move up as masses and masses of young fish recruit into the exploitable biomass.
Gov
God never did make a more calm, quiet, innocent recreation than angling - Izaak Walton
