How much of your money has Justin spent?

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cracked_ribs said:
I actually didn't mind Paul Martin.

Of course if Harper had made a quarter of the cuts Martin did, the CBC would probably have had run hourly emergency broadcasts requesting his assassination before Canada itself was destroyed.

I do agree that it was much less fiscally conservative to restore so much of the funding that Martin had cut and it did add to the federal debt. Of course it radically reduced provincial deficits which were spiraling out of control at the time, but that's not the kind of thing anyone who thinks Harper was a monster will care about. It also seems to escape people that the big budget era of Harper was during the minority government phase when if he couldn't get support from the lefty parties, they'd have brought down the government...and their plan was to spend way more! So much of that debt would have been doubled if we'd given the keys to anyone else.

The province that didn't really get improved much despite having some funding restored was Ontario, which became the holder of the largest sub-sovereign debt in the world...yes, only some national governments owed more money than Ontario.

Who was running Ontario at the time? Kathleen Wynne and Gerald Butts. Probably a coincidence, I guess.

Anyway the bottom line is that very few Canadians have the stomach for the cuts necessary to get our actual total debt under control. The reason big C conservatives retain the fiscal conservative title is because while they might fund stuff and borrow money when they think they have to, it's against their core principles and they would prefer to reduce the debt as much as possible.

The Liberals do not share this philosophy, as evidenced by the decision to run deficits in good times, and the attempt to rebrand deficits as significant only as "percent of GDP".

That's valid in the sense that a person who makes 30gs a year has a bigger problem with an annual deficit of $1000 than a person who makes 90gs a year...but if you never stop going deeper into debt then making more money doesn't fix your problem. Ultimately you have to pay it back.

The current administration has had years of good times and easy money. They paid off nothing and borrowed more.

That's why the Conservatives are conservative and the Liberals are liberal.
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So true!
 
halimark said:
Thanks Wolf, someone else believes the same as me. Well said. I am amazed that some are spinning, supporting and still totally hazed by SUNNY WAYS, shame on you as a fisherperson. NOT in the same Canada as me, maybe smoking too much new legally taxed ganga. Was that not JT's plan? alter their state of mind "to believe" his lies, BS and new taxes that will save the planet, all while he breaks rules, takes and gives away your $$$ and laughs.

I am not fooled, I do pay more than 50% of every $ earned in a tax. Only a fool argues they are not and applies the JT spin. Only low life's do not. Unemployed?, incarcerated, terrorists, I am none of those. How much has he cost Canada on a global stage?? Those who voted for him should be MADE to burden his dept. load. I want to return to fishing, access, legal gun ownership, less tax and the ability to legally pursue my passions in Canada. And lets not forget I don't want to see our PM crying weekly on the 6 pm news. That's just me, I understand his supporters eat that **** up.

HM
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Love it,, right on halimark.
 
So what is Scheer's plan for the economy? Anybody know or is everyone just going to criticize these infrastructure projects.
 
Lots of these infrastructure projects have been in the works for years and have had federal fund commitments by both governments (cons & libs). The hold up for a lot of them has been on the municipal/provincial levels. Im all for them. Pre harper the west was largely ignored when it came to federal infrastructure money. It's nice to see JT is not ignoring BC.
 
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It was an honest question that I asked, troubling that there is no honest answer.

Why should it be so hard to find out what Sheer has for an economic plan for Canada.
Even Harper had economic plans when he ran and frankly they were good as that's one reason why I voted for him in 2006.
You fellas can take cheap shots at me but why are you unable to answer the question.
Do you fellas know what your doing or are you just caught up in the **** and vinegar of the times.
 
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It was an honest question GLG, however I can criticize insane spending of tax payers money as well.
Sheer will no doubt curl back spending, cut some taxes to let us breath and let business get back to making jobs that aren’t funded by myself and my kids!
 
Ok so for you left wing peeps who have no idea that this **** costs you money... to date for every man woman and child we are at $1243.00 this year alone promised by Justin. Yes that’s your money... you have to pay... so my family that’s $6215.00. THIS YEAR! Man how can’t you see that!
 
Trophy21 said:
It was an honest question GLG, however I can criticize insane spending of tax payers money as well.
Sheer will no doubt curl back spending, cut some taxes to let us breath and let business get back to making jobs that aren’t funded by myself and my kids!
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Thanks for the reply. If you run into any policy that is released by Scheer do post it as I'm sure many of us would like to look at it but I doubt there will be any. Seems he is trying to use the Doug Ford method and just not produce anything that he needs to explain. It's a trust me folks I know what to do. As they say the devil is in the details.

Trophy21 said:
Ok so for you left wing peeps who have no idea that this **** costs you money... to date for every man woman and child we are at $1243.00 this year alone promised by Justin. Yes that’s your money... you have to pay... so my family that’s $6215.00. THIS YEAR! Man how can’t you see that!
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Can you explain how you arrived at those numbers?
 
Sorry GLG I have no crystal ball that will tell me how Mr Scheer will make spending policy or his plans for future taxes and his Gov spending? I can state in full honesty what the current Gov told me as an election promise and what HIS FUTURE PLAN would be and ALL is proven lies and BS. Why would you believe the current proven liar and worry about what could happen? I am not getting my given away $$$$ returned by the Libs, lets never compare JT to Harper, it was a very different economic world. WTH would JT do if he had to deal with an economic world meltdown???? As I see things Mr Scheers economic plan cant be worse than the Libs now, not just on taxes but as an honest hard working outdoorsman Canadian. I cannot remember a time in my life that I am so ashamed of my Federal Gov.

HM
 
Aww, come on, we all remember JT saying "the budget will balance itself". What sort of Leader with a plan would make such a ridiculously incompetent statement? The PC Party's DNA is built around fiscal responsibility, minimizing government (hard to do) and lowering taxes. Any plan Scheer puts together is going to be a material improvement over anything the Liberals have. You cannot spend your way to prosperity. Just ask Greece, or Spain trying to dig themselves out of overspending from the 80/90's. I personally saw this happen in Spain where successive Socialist governments overspent. Now youth unemployment here is north of 30% and overall unemployment is 15%. They created a culture of entitlement amongst youth who now expect cheap government housing and unemployment payments for life. Any smart energetic well educated youth are tired of the BS and are leaving the country. The lazy ones are sticking around continuing to look for handouts. Talk about debt, its outta control here...... Not what I want for my Canada.
 
GLG said:
Thanks for the reply. If you run into any policy that is released by Scheer do post it as I'm sure many of us would like to look at it but I doubt there will be any. Seems he is trying to use the Doug Ford method and just not produce anything that he needs to explain. It's a trust me folks I know what to do. As they say the devil is in the details.
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Are you for some reason assuming that past party approaches to the economy are being abandoned and that only policy decisions specifically announced in the runup to this election count?

Because if that's the case I have some bad news for you. Here is Macleans' running total of economic policy announcements:

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If only policy announcements count, I guess you'll have to agree that everyone else has even less of a plan than Scheer.



Or wait, would announcements under the heading of "Taxes" also qualify?

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Protip: holding back your policy statements for the election campaign is the standard, not the exception. The fact that people aren't super familiar with a ton of policy statements is because Scheer has only started making them.

Which, obviously, Trudeau has yet to do. I hope the CPC can count on your vote.
 
It is funny how short everyone's memory is.

The liberals have been in for 3 years. Harper was in for almost a decade and we faced cut after cut under him too. IN FACT if a conservative government had not MUZZLED science and SLASHED DFO funding and not TAKEN bribes from commercial interests including fish farms and commercial fishermen maybe just maybe we wouldn't be in this mess!

We know where the conservative governments priorities are and it's not protecting the environment or the creatures that live there. But hey they might give you a tax cut if your income is high enough.
 
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