Maybe this has already been posted on the forum.
https://www.change.org/p/mp-jonatha...TkXwADoIll4o83ePHDt1j898&expired_session=true
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Ever see a herring ball? Ever see one in English Bay?So is the opposition to this based on:
A. Not trusting the DFO's science and predictions
B. Feeling like 10% is not sustainable
C. Not wanting to catch any at all because there's really no point
I've yet to figure this one out for myself
From what I've been told they're doing much better in the harbor? All the false creek enhancements have helped?Ever see a herring ball? Ever see one in English Bay?
I can only tell you what I was told from guys older than I in the mid 80's. They told stories of herring balls in English Bay dip your salmon net in and yopur car topper was swimming in herring. So I would say since I have never seen one in English Bay we have a long way to go to get back to where things were.From what I've been told they're doing much better in the harbor? All the false creek enhancements have helped?
These are questions because I have no idea how to find out what the real facts are. Just opinions with plenty of propaganda on both sides.
I wasn't arguing that there is no reason for concern. I just can't understand why so many seemingly smart people can't agree on what the reality is. I'm trying to become informed.
Perfect. I feel like that is one great way to identify an issue. Now my next question is are the areas the commercial guys are fishing affecting the "supply" to Burrard Inlet or is it that there are no "local" spawning grounds due to industry and pollution. Do the Herring travel 25 km, 50 km, 75 km from where they spawn? Again not disagreeing just asking the question to help form my own opinion.I can only tell you what I was told from guys older than I in the mid 80's. They told stories of herring balls in English Bay dip your salmon net in and yopur car topper was swimming in herring. So I would say since I have never seen one in English Bay we have a long way to go to get back to where things were.
To play devil's advocate here, shouldn't everyone just stop catching everything then in that case? Another side that's been presented. Certainly not my opinion.As the article states,Japanese buyers tastes have changed so their not paying high prices for the roe like they used to.Very few commercial fishermen will get poor prices for their catch to be ground up for pet food or fertilizer.Why exterminate a healthy run of herring as has been done elsewhere because it's deemed sustainable by DFO,we know how reliable their predictions are? At the same time reducing herring that salmon and whales eat that are having trouble surviving.It's a no brainer for me,close all herring fisheries and at the same time kull the seals and sea lions that are killing our remaining runs of salmon.
Yes more times than I can count-from border to border.Ever see a herring ball?
Yes and I've seen Eagles diving on those same bait balls just like they do up @ Langara.Ever see one in English Bay?
So Sori what the Kelp is killing it all? Should we be focussing more of our efforts on restoring that stuff first? Is that stuff actually all gone? How bad is it?sori .i can kelp you .with out the kelp .there is no herring sori.
So by the media's wording they're on the brink of extinction.As with any fishing related issue things are complicated. When I was a kid in the 80's I rarely remember going out off Campbell River and not encountering a herring ball at some point during the day. We used to keep a herring rake on the boat, and would just stop and rake up what we needed. Who even owns a herring rake now, let alone carries one on the boat? So yes the biomass is reduced. As @StormTrooper stated there has also been a huge reduction in Kelp and Ell Grass beds coast wide, also warmer water doesn't grow algae as well, continued pressure on a less lucrative fishery. These are just some of the possible reductions in the biomass. Regardless of the reasons, it's Salmon that are likley to suffer the most.
They used to spray the shore with chemicals to keep the kelp from growing as they saw it a nuisance in parts of the harbour.As with any fishing related issue things are complicated. When I was a kid in the 80's I rarely remember going out off Campbell River and not encountering a herring ball at some point during the day. We used to keep a herring rake on the boat, and would just stop and rake up what we needed. Who even owns a herring rake now, let alone carries one on the boat? So yes the biomass is reduced. As @StormTrooper stated there has also been a huge reduction in Kelp and Ell Grass beds coast wide, also warmer water doesn't grow algae as well, continued pressure on a less lucrative fishery. These are just some of the possible reductions in the biomass. Regardless of the reasons, it's Salmon that are likley to suffer the most.
Oh MAN! that is a whole nother Kettle of fish or Herring if you will. Let's try fixing things here on the ground first.The second question:
Does weather modification & geoengineering correlate with these environmental changes.
https://www.nap.edu/read/1794/chapter/10#80
They fished em to collapse back in the 60's. Let them recover and now seem bent on doing it again.So by the media's wording they're on the brink of extinction.
If I was sure that fighting this fight was worth my time I would be sure and start using words like that.
I'm with you, we gotta fix their environment, I'm just saying let's start here on earth, rather than throwing more **** into the atmosphere unless we have no other choice.Like I stated...it all starts at the bottom. Dead waters carry very little food that can not support a continuous bombardment of lethal circumstance.