Halibut: Bad News

islandgirl join your SFAC become a member you create a better consultation process for the years to come i would love to hear your ideas you have
let see what you can do other than complain
quit bitching about this years halibut fishery decision it isnt going to change this year
this years is done work on next year there is still a tonne of work to be done the big picture here is we are all trying to create a better fishery for all of us sportfisherman we need to continue the fight for our halibut you dont get it because if you did you would quit complaining and look for a way to make the consultation process better find way to get longer seasons and get us back to atleast 2 day 3 in possession
why you so foused on this year ? focus on the next years consultation process
thanks for correcting me on the IPHC i get confused some days when i am not a 100% not scared to admit I might be wrong not like some people here on this forum
when i read your crap you write makes me want to stop volunteering my time to help people like you get back you halibut I may not agree with the entire decisions from DFO on the halibut but i am not bitching about it- I am looking for ways to make it better next year. not losing focus on the major issues you should try that

Bearcove I coulndt agree with you more
 
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Pursuit 648 said:
islandgirl join your SFAC become a member you create a better consultation process for the years to come i would love to hear your ideas you have
let see what you can do other than complain
quit bitching about this years halibut fishery decision it isnt going to change this year
this years is done work on next year there is still a tonne of work to be done the big picture here is we are all trying to create a better fishery for all of us sportfisherman we need to continue the fight for our halibut you dont get it because if you did you would quit complaining and look for a way to make the consultation process better find way to get longer seasons and get us back to atleast 2 day 3 in possession
why you so foused on this year ? focus on the next years consultation process
thanks for correcting me on the IPHC i get confused some days when i am not a 100% not scared to admit I might be wrong not like some people here on this forum
when i read your crap you write makes me want to stop volunteering my time to help people like you get back you halibut I may not agree with the entire decisions from DFO on the halibut but i am not bitching about it- I am looking for ways to make it better next year. not losing focus on the major issues you should try that

Bearcove I coulndt agree with you more
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YOU DONT GET IT!! Nice try of deflecting!

We want to continue to fight. Get a grip. I dont want to speak for her, but im pretty sure like me she is upset because "other" people were focused on this year only. However the uphill battle just got alot harder IMO. How much harder is it going to be to get back to 2/3 when some suggested and then implemented at 1/2 with a fall back of a 1/1? AND THE DFO DIDNT DO THIS!! We did it voluntarily! It was our(well not mine) idea! We took a huge step back. Stop using your tunnel vision and look at the big picture. This descision was made by the dfo because we recommended it. I can imagine the emails that went around the DFO after that. "can you believe these guys are actually suggesting the take a 1/2 with a slot and if that isnt enough a 1/1?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH with a big smilie face on it.!
 
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Don't go there Lorne... we need these Guys.
You know where I stand but this is getting out of hand.
Was the process well done? NO
Will it be done better in the future? YES
I think we have all learned a lesson this year and I think it's time to put this one away.
Let's put our efforts to better use hammering the slipper skippers and there buddies.
We need to attack them in the court of public opinion and win that battle.
As others have suggested in computer forums and newspapers.
Join forces with like minded people and groups to force a change.
We can do it... We have to do it, the next generation demands it.
GLG
 
Everyone is arguing about speed limits. A little higher; a little lower. But the fact is the road IMAX be illegal. All fishing bodies have different needs. Commies fish for a living. They have a seat at the table. The guides help others fill a fishing dream and must support famines. They have a voice at the table but, like sports fishermen, it, like sports fishermen. needs dedicated representation. Sports fishermen get no remuneration but support hundreds, if not thousands of businesses. We need our own seat because we have me least to loose but more businesses depend on us than any other group.

Everyone knows what a camel is and I want to stay away from that.
 
Theb55 said:
Everyone is arguing about speed limits. A little higher; a little lower. But the fact is the road IMAX be illegal. All fishing bodies have different needs. Commies fish for a living. They have a seat at the table. The guides help others fill a fishing dream and must support famines. They have a voice at the table but, like sports fishermen, it, like sports fishermen. needs dedicated representation. Sports fishermen get no remuneration but support hundreds, if not thousands of businesses. We need our own seat because we have me least to loose but more businesses depend on us than any other group.

Everyone knows what a camel is and I want to stay away from that.
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Yes, we need representation at the table.
Like many others on here have said, you don't win the war by choosing to loose the battle.

Pursuit,
You have made 3 posts on this forum.
ALL 3 are personal attacks on me and NOTHING about fishing or the topic,
You received one reponse from me and that will be it.
 
Sorry. Did not mean to attack anyone. We know the problem and hopefully we can do something more than complain but maybe not. If we continue to spin our wheels we will sink deeper. I am open to suggestions but I am only one person and the other groups left for the races a lint time ago. The question I have is whether we could attach ourselves to an existing body or do we start fresh.
 
A couple of posts suggested that but I am leery about an organization that dropped Fishing from their name years back. Fishing is not their focus.
 
GLG said:
Don't go there Lorne... we need these Guys.
You know where I stand but this is getting out of hand.
Was the process well done? NO
Will it be done better in the future? YES
I think we have all learned a lesson this year and I think it's time to put this one away.
Let's put our efforts to better use hammering the slipper skippers and there buddies.
We need to attack them in the court of public opinion and win that battle.
As others have suggested in computer forums and newspapers.
Join forces with like minded people and groups to force a change.
We can do it... We have to do it, the next generation demands it.
GLG
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agreed. I edited my post. Was a tad fired up :)
 
Theb55 said:
A couple of posts suggested that but I am leery about an organization that dropped Fishing from their name years back. Fishing is not their focus.
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The BCWF has been around along time. The folks in the organization have done all the ground work and that ground work is in place. They are the ones that need the support both financially (which I have been doing as a member for many years) and involvement. Your local fish and game club's haven't dropped the fish part of the name and most of them are all affiliates of the BCWF. They don't have the advertising dollars to be out front and in your face all the time but they are continuously working at habitat projects, meetings, discussions, etc.. They are the way to go IMHO. They are the ones that will help carry us on into the future if we are going to pass down this great outdoor heritage to our children and grandchildren.
 
Theb55 said:
A couple of posts suggested that but I am leery about an organization that dropped Fishing from their name years back. Fishing is not their focus.[/QUOT

From all my experiences this group has been a great voice for angling public..... :)
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I don’t agree with what we got earthier
my point is quit cutting down what has happened this year process or hali tac for sporties or slot limit
Not one of you three have posted on how to make the season the longest without upsetting the guys from Victoria to the charlottes
It is a very complicated process about how the calculate the average catch weight for each area and when we will reach our quota then you have to figure out to extend our season so we can get the longest season possible there hasnt been one single idea that works for everyine
is it one a day 1 possession (still may close early) or is 1 day 2 possession do you have to put slot limit in to make sure halibut season doesnt end august 1 or will it still end with a slot limit do you stop the guys in vic from starting march 1 and make them wait till may? so maybe our season is longer (Maybe) I am not implying any of these ideas just so you know I wanna know of an Idea that works for all of us.

try to help with your fishery and move on with the bigger picture boohoo we didn’t get represent fairly so get off your @$$ and find a process so that you do.
or you can keep complaining on here cause that will solve it haha

if you really don’t think you were you sit on here and complain that you were not represented fairly you’re entitled to your opinion but what is that going to do cpmplaining ?

we got what we got this year as sporties basically it sounds like you hate your own process of SFAC SFAB working groups that are made up of a mostly sport fisherman trying to help you go get involved or post how you can better the process.
you complain complain complain but none have you have posted a suggestion how to move forward for next year
you cant change this year we got what we got as a sporty if you think I am happy your wrong
but I am the bad guy here for telling you to quit bitching and go find a process get involved ???? awesome!

Wait can you 3 tell tell me how I am deflecting or I don’t get the bigger picture?

I am going to try to make sure next year is better and the year after and the year after that
this is not set in stone like you seem to think it is
maybe next year sporties will have a 2 day 2 in possession with a full year season so am I an @$$ for wanting to try to make this possible ? haha wow!!!!
do I come on here and complain and ***** not get involved and yet I don’t agree with it all ? or complain we were not represented fairly?

we will have ups and downs and if you cant get past that I dont know what to say maybe next year will be better for you
so this year you feel like you were not represented fairly wow life is over!!! we should all sell our boats and take up golfing or lawn bowling

so how do any of you think you can make a better process ? tell me!!!! I will be sure to take it forward
you can quit bitching and show me you have some ideas but you wont you will come back and cut me down
Yeah i only posted 3 times because I haven’t logged onto this forum for so long my profile was deleted
I guess this sight has gone through some upgrades
so yes I am only 3 post big deal cut me down some more cause I have 3 post haha too funny
guess u must think that people that don’t post lots are idiots - guess that shows you’re close minded and quick to judge

Islandgirl loneparker and holmes should be the recreational representatives BC wide how about that for an idea ?!!! you three can dedicate your time from being on here to helping recreational fisherman attend all SFAC And SFAB meetings and report back here on the forum what you have come up with bahahaha
now show me your ideas on how the three of you can make the process better for sporties getting represented as you don’t seem to think you were and start working on how to get our hali fishing back to what it once was ( the bigger picture) Wait can you 3 tell tell me how I am deflecting or I don’t get the bigger picture?

tell me the best idea you have so that the lodges, guides and sporties can have the longest season and without early closure and EVERYONE agrees 100% with it !!!
or come back on here and flame me I cant wait to hear them
Holmes never said I was high and mighty my handle name isn’t GOD but when you spelt holmes maybe you meant to spell GOD on your handle name you GOOF
so you when you get the chance Holmes ,,,,,,,go F yourself  probably doesn’t bother you I flame you so you should know it’s the same for me I look forward to them I like hearing it so tell me to go f myself again  makes me smile as I sit and drink my coffee

I agree with you a dicussion forum but try putting some ideas out there to make it better then to complain about the current process
Would you rather complain or would you like to put some positive ideas out for next year? Still waiting for an answer on this TIC TOCK TIC TOCK
so far I have asked multiple times what your ideas are no one answered guess im the asshole for wanting to know how you think you can make the process better for next year
I bet none of you 3 hav an idea that will work but you will keep bitching about the process and keep flaming me NICE!

I really hate seeing the guys that work so hard making this process better for all sporties and to read how pissed you 3 are about this years outcome remember its only this year it isn’t set in stone

Lorne, islandgirl, holmes you ever think that the choices were so limited and the time to make them ? Its not like DFO does things over night

GLG I agree 10000000% with what you posted I don’t claim to know what is the answer for next year or the year after I wish someone would give it to me but you couldn’t be more right with your post I will probably get flames for agreeing with you LOL ohwell

But holmes and lorne and islandgirl will be sure to tell me I don’t get the bigger picture haha LMAO
so flame me for 3 post now 4 post btw haha flame me for telling you to quit your bitching and get some ideas out there for next year flame me for telling you that we still need to look forward and keeping working on our halibut
 
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Great post pursuit. The ideas have been posted many times. The reason for our resentment has been posted many times. What I plan on doing about it has been posted many times. If you chose to ignore that and just rant I won't respond. I've said everything you'be asked many of times. Action is coming. Don't you worry
 
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LMAO


Lorne what is your idea????? why dont you post it so we all can hear it ???
Im sure if you are going to suggest an idea that all sporties will be represented the sporties on here will love to hear it !
? you scared you might be cut down by someone else on here
Dont think I am worried let me check,... nope not worried about anything other than trying to get our halibut fishery back to open 365 days a year with the previous limits
Please quote what YOU are doing to better our fishery and the bigger picture here ___________________________________
I would love to hear it -you claim now to have the answer
COME ON!! Post what this idea is that 100% off all guides and lodges and sporties will agree with
you try to talk the talk lets hear it
you SAY YOU have posted what you are doing to make sure that everyone is represented and I CANT see it ANYWHERE all I see is complaining
I see no positive suggestions from you at all now remember lorne .. I said "positive suggestions" that means you are not complaining
Hey btw I am at 5 post now when do I get some slack for not posting enough 10 post 1000 post ? 5000 post ?
I can maybe reach a 1000 by end of next week
 
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What part of I'm not repeating my self don't you understand ? I've done enough of it over the last 2 weeks. There is about 10 halibut threads. Read them. You will find it. I'm not scard of anything or anyone. Again if you actually took the time to read instead of rant that would be obvious. The answers are there educate yourself oh brilliant one. The number for me was an annual limit of 5 per person. I don't gave all the math granted. But some rough numbers says the would give us close to a full season. With bascailly zero restrictions, and we would be accountable. But some people dont want that. They wouldnt be able to gift fish like they do, we would have real numbers so we would really know how much of that 15% is divided, it is a regualtion that can be enforced. All which are negatives I'd you are in the business. I will repeat one thing though, I definitely don't have an idea that can appease everyone. The diveristy of the needs of each individual group and area is very different. I acknowledged that. Howwver the current situation does very little to appease everyone and quite a bit to appease a select few. I would never a
Suggest or accept anything contradictory to what our stance was, nor would i suggest anything short term gain for long term pain. You can yell and call me a complainer all you want. But the coming years will be a direct refelction if these actions. I hope i am proven wrong. I have never represented everyone. Eveything I have said is my words representing me. I have been very clear on that as well. I totally get where the guides are coming from, and my beef is not with them directly. If the shoe was on other foot, I can't say for certain I woukdnt have done the same Anyway the problem lies in what's good for the goose isn't what's goos for the gander. And the constant (we did for you guys) in reality is ******** and anyone with half a brain can see that.
 
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I actually DO have the answer!

You want to extend your sport season… That may not that hard to do? Go online and READ:
‘COMING OUT OF HIBERNATION: THE CANADIAN PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE’
By KATE PENELOPE SMALLWOOD
https://circle.ubc.ca/handle/2429/1465

Then contact, discuss the above, and make an appointment with a law firm like:
Ecojustice
Main Office Vancouver
214 - 131 Water Street | Vancouver BC V6B 4M3
T 604-685-5618 F 604-685-7813
You can call us toll-free from anywhere in Canada at 1-800-926-7744.
http://www.ecojustice.ca/

And, and file a f@!king law suit asking for immediate access to YOUR RIGHT TO FISH the PUBLIC resource that the government of Canada does NOT own, can NOT legally privatize!!! It certainly does appear the Government of Canada has indeed violated the “public trust” concerning a Canadian citizens “right” to fish halibut by illegally privatizing a fishery resource, which was to be held in trust: Might also want to throw-in YOUR RIGHT to fish salmon, while at it:

“A long and dusty trail through early English and Canadian law reports reveals that Canadian common law has recognized a public trust with respect to navigation and fishing, as well as a trust over highways. However, the public trust concerning navigation and fishing has largely lain dormant since the late nineteenth century. Interestingly, the strongest modem common law expression of a public trust in Canada is that with respect to highways.”
 
Pursuit 648 said:
LMAO


Lorne what is your idea????? why dont you post it so we all can hear it ???
Im sure if you are going to suggest an idea that all sporties will be represented the sporties on here will love to hear it !
? you scared you might be cut down by someone else on here
Dont think I am worried let me check,... nope not worried about anything other than trying to get our halibut fishery back to open 365 days a year with the previous limits
Please quote what YOU are doing to better our fishery and the bigger picture here ___________________________________
I would love to hear it -you claim now to have the answer
COME ON!! Post what this idea is that 100% off all guides and lodges and sporties will agree with
you try to talk the talk lets hear it
you SAY YOU have posted what you are doing to make sure that everyone is represented and I CANT see it ANYWHERE all I see is complaining
I see no positive suggestions from you at all now remember lorne .. I said "positive suggestions" that means you are not complaining
Hey btw I am at 5 post now when do I get some slack for not posting enough 10 post 1000 post ? 5000 post ?
I can maybe reach a 1000 by end of next week
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Hey Pursuit - take it easy! This is a DISCUSSION forum, meant to discuss people ideas, thoughts, opinions, etc. The 3 people you go on about are doing just exactly what this forum allows (and so are you for that matter), but they aren't losing it. Islandgirl, Lorne and Holmes have every right to complain about how the SFAB made a quick decision that favoured the guiding and lodge community and did so without adequate consultation from the larger number of recreational fisherman that make up this sector. We all understand now why they had to rush ahead and make this hasty decision - to ensure a reasonable business year for guides and lodges. The reason I think some people on this forum got so upset is that: (1) the decision was rushed, without more consultation with the rec sector and (2) those who made the decision aren't being completly forthright in listing all the reasons why they made the recommendation that they did.

Don't get me wrong, I support guides and lodges. I support the SFAB, I attend all SFAB meetings and encourage others to do so. I am starting to get together with others to develop solutions to the the challenges in our sector. I fully support all the hard work and long, unpaid, volunteer hours put in by those at SFAB, BCWF, BC SFI, etc. I thank them.

Like many others on the forum are saying now - what's done is done. Time to move forward like you say and work together to develop solutions to help fix the mess we ALL are in. My 2 bits.
 
Yes you are right Charlie and the Federal has been quietly trying to remove this above all on the rivers and this is how they are going to screw us on the run othe rivers program and there are other surprises on the way around this.

Charlie said:
I actually DO have the answer!

You want to extend your sport season… That may not that hard to do? Go online and READ:
‘COMING OUT OF HIBERNATION: THE CANADIAN PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE’
By KATE PENELOPE SMALLWOOD
https://circle.ubc.ca/handle/2429/1465

Then contact, discuss the above, and make an appointment with a law firm like:
Ecojustice
Main Office Vancouver
214 - 131 Water Street | Vancouver BC V6B 4M3
T 604-685-5618 F 604-685-7813
You can call us toll-free from anywhere in Canada at 1-800-926-7744.
http://www.ecojustice.ca/

And, and file a f@!king law suit asking for immediate access to YOUR RIGHT TO FISH the PUBLIC resource that the government of Canada does NOT own, can NOT legally privatize!!! It certainly does appear the Government of Canada has indeed violated the “public trust” concerning a Canadian citizens “right” to fish halibut by illegally privatizing a fishery resource, which was to be held in trust: Might also want to throw-in YOUR RIGHT to fish salmon, while at it:

“A long and dusty trail through early English and Canadian law reports reveals that Canadian common law has recognized a public trust with respect to navigation and fishing, as well as a trust over highways. However, the public trust concerning navigation and fishing has largely lain dormant since the late nineteenth century. Interestingly, the strongest modem common law expression of a public trust in Canada is that with respect to highways.”
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Lorne I don’t have the answer either not sure where I claim to be brilliant
Please quote me where I said I have the answer for everything or I am Brilliant-
I also don’t claim that I represent the voice of all fisherman

I only want to work on getting them back their 365 day season

Still hate me Lorne???? go ahead



“The number for me was an annual limit of 5 per person. I don't gave all the math granted. But some rough numbers says the would give us close to a full season. With bascailly zero restrictions, and we would be accountable. But some people dont want that. They wouldnt be able to gift fish like they do, we would have real numbers so we would really know how much of that 15% is divided, it is a regualtion that can be enforced.”

“But some people dont want that.”

That’s what I am trying to say! there is nothing put forward that 100% of us will agree with, by anyone or any user group
That’s why it looks like sporties were not reperesented and this false idea guides made the decisions
No matter what was proposed there would not be 100% agreement with all sporties/guides/lodges for this season
Your right the current situation doesn’t please everyone I have not disagreed with that. But its only for this year

I guess you can keep trashing the SFAC and SFAB process, its your right
not sure if that is worth the cause is all I am saying



Whole in the water
I agree with what you said 100%
however I don’t agree with trashing the SFAC or SFAB process cant see how is that positive here on this forum for anyone
IMO the fight isnt with them its to continue to get back what we had
 
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