Guided Fishing for under $300 a day

[Fish Assassin]

WoW anyone seen the ad on craigslist for guided fishing. I can believe this person can do this. I wonder if it is even legit.

This is not anyone I know. Nor do I want to advertize for him that is why I did not post this in the BST thread.

Half Day or Full Day Guided Fishing Trips in Campbell River area. All gear provided.
17 ft Whaler- fully rigged. Seats 2 plus guide.
$150 for Half Day or $275 for Full Day.

Must purchase fishing licence.

 

[Island Fish Lifter]

wow. that wouldnt even cover my gas

 

[Aces]

LOL.

Let them at it.

 

[BearCove]

Also have to wonder if he is TC certified and has the proper insurance? No way I could run my business at those rates.

 

[juandesooka]

Remember that animation someone posted a while back, of the fireman doing lowball charters on the side? Same deal or something like it here I'm guessing ... someone who's retired, or likes to fish a lot in their time off, eventually you have taken all your friends fishing and are tired of fishing solo ... so you take someone else out, covers the expenses, $100 or $200 in your pocket for Sat nite for a day you would have fished anyway, just helped someone else catch them instead ... you don't need any more fish anyway, freezer's full, still want to get out there. Doesn't matter if you're covering real cost of boat and gear, since it is 80% recreationally used anyway.

NOT saying it's alright ... almost definitely not certified, safety checked, insured, etc. But that's the mindset of the part timer I'd guess.

Makes it tougher for the professionals to make it work ... can't match that price, and it is hard for most clients to differentiate quality ... until AFTER it doesn't go very well.

 

[Duffer]

Wonder why work is slow around here fn lowballers like this wak head. I wish he would launch at the Comox Marina the RCMP are nailin everyone, good to see, first time my boats been stripped and it makes you sure feel good when you get the big green light and all the hard work and effort of being compliant pays off. Anyhow good luck to this Donk!!

 

[Lipripper]

If the boat is legit (as many lodges run them) it kinda balances out.... most guys can take 4ish people out. This guy can only take 2. Its not that drastically different if you look at it as a per head price?

 

[Duffer]

Most guides that I know dont charge by the head or amount of customers its by the hour. Lets see 6 hrs 150 bucks I think thats 25 bucks an hr. If I get 1 person its the same rate as 3 or 4 thats the cost of doing buisness.

 

[Lipripper]

For sure....... Hear ya...

A 4 guy charter for 8 hundy is 200 each. If you can only take two would it be realistic to charge that same amount?

 

[wolf]

YES boat burns gas be it 1,2,3,4 people it still burns GAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! put it into perspective ok ill use constrution and a handy man service ok. AND for his living.....
Truck,gas,insurance.

tools,insurance again for his company,matenace,new tools etc etc etc


MOW household: morgage ,hydro 2 phones, food, house insurance,water,taxes and SOOOOO much more with every thing and above!!!

Now throw in a boat with its many expensives insurance AGAIN.courses,fuel,gear.
So on top of all this you think we make a good living!!!!!!we do if we are working lots but not at 25 buck an hour ill Garentee that!!!!!!!!

Wolf

 

[Fish Assassin]

is that per person or for 2 ppl?....holmes*

For two people.......

 

[profisher]

Lip the charges are for the boat, the gear, my time and expertise. How many people choose to share the costs are up to the party hiring the boat. I have done plenty of single person $800 a day trips in my time. My preference is 2 persons as ideal...they can entertain themselves when I'm busy....a single depends on you for fishing and entertainment while waiting for a fish...should charge more for that..LOL

 

[Little Hawk]

I hear you on that one Wolf. These desperado's out there with a hammer & pouch claiming to be able to do 'everything' for $20/hr are killing us. Sickens me.
Worst part is in tough times people are more price conscious and they don't give a flyin' fu#k that you have are rolling a truck with a few thousand in tools with a mortgage to pay etc. Maybe time to find a new way to make a buck I think. So what if I'm 55 and need a hip-replacement.

 

[vetteman]

For sure....... Hear ya...

A 4 guy charter for 8 hundy is 200 each. If you can only take two would it be realistic to charge that same amount?

Wolf is right in his post above. One guest or four a boat will burn the same amount of gas, cost the same to moor, equip, and insure not to mention the value of the services supplied by the operator. It remains the same one guest or however many.
Dave

 

[Peahead]

I agree that guides rates should generally be similar and that there is no place for low-ballers in the business…..or any business for that matter
I think Juandesooka has probably got it right "someone who's retired, or likes to fish a lot in their time off, eventually you have taken all your friends fishing and are tired of fishing solo ... so you take someone else out, covers the expenses" This guy doesn't NEED the money, it is just extra.

With reference to Wolf's post about his cost of living and having to pay for a mortgage as a reason to charge a given rate ......I don't think thats a road to go down.
The fact that the guides here in Vancouver all charge roughly the same rate is not because they all need the same amount of money to run a household, the same entertainment budget or the same boat expenses, its out of respect for the business and keeping a similar price for fair competition. A high percentage of guides pay their mortgage with other income from other work , a pension plan or independant wealth. If a guide low-balls to undercut others because he didn't NEED the money, and that was considered acceptable practice, we'd have prices all over the board. ... Hense the argument that a particular guide needs more money, for a house and 2 phones and even more food is really not a great reason IMO. This guy in CR that had the low-ball ad obviously has a very small 17' boat and maybe he chooses to live in a shack sharing rent with 3 other guys. Using that reasoning, then it would essentially mean this guy can low-ball because he doesn't need the money so doesn't need to charge much.
If guides are to all charge the "going" rate you absolutely can't then base what you charge on how big your personal motgage is, how new and posh your car is or how expensive your boat may have been. An example is the guy with a brand new 25' Grady would charge roughly the same as the guy with a 15 year old 25' trophy.

 

[profisher]

There is a big difference between FAIR competition where prices vary slightly within the legitimate operators for a variety of reasons, (all mentioned already) and undercutting to the point that a profit is not possible. Those of us who must turn a profit to earn a livelihood suffer while those whom in many cases have already have achieved financial stability and are now in retirement cause the suffering. But we live in market system so I guess the best way to get even is for us charter guys to pool our money and buy up all the retirement home institutions and stick it to them by tripling the fees. lol

 

[wolf]

True PEA but ALL business do a % cost plus, if the percentage is too low thats when buisinesses go under....
can you imagine if business A charges 10 % over cost and then business B does 5 % over cost over time business B will lose out HE MAY THINK he is doing great but in the long run hes failing because hes not turning profit he has to seel twice as much to compete he is basically shooting himself in the foot.
No difference in any business you have to turn a profit margin or els you go under.

It doesnt matter about the boat either its about the state and professionallism of the operator some charters thinks its ok to charge people who have only got 10 springs in there life how is that fair to the consumer but its also what you get when you go with CHEPO charters... no experience and a dishonest person.

Me personally I want to see all people who come to fish get them and not go with someone who hasnt a clue what to do out there as it reflects bad on a community as a whole if you have tourists come go with "CHEPO" have a bad time and no fish and think they got ripped off the effects are bad as they go back and tell friends and its a huge domino effect!!!!!! Go with someone with experience you may have to pay a little more but worth it in the long run. Would you want a 1 st year surgeon doing open heart surgery or one with 25 yrs experience??????

One only has to look at GM motors a few years back to figure that one out dont we!!!!! there LUCKY they got help in a way not YOU or I will never ever get the gov. would laugh in our faces if we asked for bail out money!!! woudnt they.....
For once i have to agree with pro again on this one...

Wolf

 

[profisher]

Hey Holmsey, I think its time to get rid of the flailing orca....call it summer break!!! lol

 

[Peahead]

There is a big difference between FAIR competition where prices vary slightly within the legitimate operators for a variety of reasons, (all mentioned already) and undercutting to the point that a profit is not possible. Those of us who must turn a profit to earn a livelihood suffer while those whom in many cases have already have achieved financial stability and are now in retirement cause the suffering. But we live in market system so I guess the best way to get even is for us charter guys to pool our money and buy up all the retirement home institutions and stick it to them by tripling the fees. lol

I like your retirement home idea - lol
Agree with you and I think the ones who would likely undercut are those that are already quite financially stable and don't need the extra charter money or sometimes probably don't even care about breaking even.

My point to Wolf's comment was simply to state that no matter whether one guy chooses to pay $4,000 per month on a mortgage, hydro, phone and food and the other guy pays $500.00 rent including phone/hydro and barely eats, that their charter rates should differ based on that. Its just that one comment I was addressing .... I totally agee that undercutting is brutal and I think the best way to deal with it is as Wolf said in his post ....the ones doing it eventually disappear.

 

[Peahead]

yes will do Pro, just been lazy is all,lol....holmes*

As much as I hate to remind myself of what happened 2-3 weeks ago, shouldn't that image be changed to a Boston plug and cap sitting next to the cup ?