Guide licensing

[BC Coast Pilot]

And more excuse to regulate the industry..that’s the eventuality-that’s my point. That’s how it starts. Ultimately-we already have resources available to deal with this problem. We just need them to get on it.

We’ll turn into Washington, Oregon and California where there are NO NEW licenses to be had-and it is truly restricted access.

We have to be careful what we ask for because one thing leads to another.

There is a contingent out there who would love restricted access.

Spot on.

 

[Dale66]

And more excuse to regulate the industry..that’s the eventuality-that’s my point. That’s how it starts. Ultimately-we already have resources available to deal with this problem. We just need them to get on it.

We’ll turn into Washington, Oregon and California where there are NO NEW licenses to be had-and it is truly restricted access.

We have to be careful what we ask for because one thing leads to another.

There is a contingent out there who would love restricted access.

Exactly. So sick of lack of pushback youd think those who have been in higher positions in talks with dfo Would see how it keeps going and think about other implications and look at history instead we get walked over

 

[Admin]

Going to put an end to the derail that is coming with regards to piling on volunteers that occurs when the talk to turns to DFO and various fisheries. This thread is about guide licensing, not another debate about fisheries management.

 

[searun]

And more excuse to regulate the industry..that’s the eventuality-that’s my point. That’s how it starts. Ultimately-we already have resources available to deal with this problem. We just need them to get on it.

We’ll turn into Washington, Oregon and California where there are NO NEW licenses to be had-and it is truly restricted access.

We have to be careful what we ask for because one thing leads to another.

There is a contingent out there who would love restricted access.

Absolutely, there are potential unanticipated consequences. One mentioned is already being played out in the Freshwater Guide Licensing - that is if an operator wishes to make amendments to their operation, those changes must be approved by local Nations. More layers of government - but that is apparently what reconciliation is partially about.

 

[searun]

I'm all for what you are saying and even a guide license as is required in BC Fresh Water. How ever required free data collection by rec fishers and guides should require MANDATORY processing of all that data. No one likes wasting their time and feeling like all these restrictions will never end because DFO is in no hurry to fix problems they are ultimately responsible for in the first place.

While not directly related to the topic of Guide Licensing - perhaps if all the recreational tidal license fees and potential guide license fees were paid into a special fund to ensure recreational fishery management programs were not subject to government budget cut backs or fiddling these sorts of things (no $ to process DNA) wouldn't be happening. Right now tidal water license fees from recreational fishers totals between $5 - $6 million/year...not a small amount of money.

 

[fishin_magician]

While not directly related to the topic of Guide Licensing - perhaps if all the recreational tidal license fees and potential guide license fees were paid into a special fund to ensure recreational fishery management programs were not subject to government budget cut backs or fiddling these sorts of things (no $ to process DNA) wouldn't be happening. Right now tidal water license fees from recreational fishers totals between $5 - $6 million/year...not a small amount of money.

$6 million is a drop of water in a bucket. There is PLENTY of money to go around. They don’t want the DNA processed and paid for. They already have data they need. Public Administrators and Bureaucrats are making these decisions based on policies and directives handed down from the Minister via the PMO and PCO. If they wanted fish-there would be fish. However- if they gave us more fish more fish would go to people who did not contribute and contributed zero for them. That would really make you mad. It’s already that way.

 

[wolf]

Points all from previous is good BUT you make all kinds of rules and regs etc but alot not a lot of good comes from MORE regualtions as people always find a way, there is so much (dont want to say illegal) back yard out there now Do you remeber the guy in catamaran boat a few years back that a lodge hired out non complience and he killed people . NOTHING really came out from it.
There is people out there that have NO CLUE on how to run a boat and take HUGE chances with people on board . and there is no really way to stop it. They lie right to clients faces saying there are experienced, in there eyes they are as great as there egos...

 

[searun]

Actually, there were charges and a court case that resulted from that incident against the operator - so there were consequences. One interesting charge that there was a conviction on, was requirement to provide guests with pre-trip safety briefing amoung many other charges/convictions.

Points all from previous is good BUT you make all kinds of rules and regs etc but alot not a lot of good comes from MORE regualtions as people always find a way, there is so much (dont want to say illegal) back yard out there now Do you remeber the guy in catamaran boat a few years back that a lodge hired out non complience and he killed people . NOTHING really came out from it.
There is people out there that have NO CLUE on how to run a boat and take HUGE chances with people on board . and there is no really way to stop it. They lie right to clients faces saying there are experienced, in there eyes they are as great as there egos...

 

[Aces]

Actually, there were charges and a court case that resulted from that incident against the operator - so there were consequences. One interesting charge that there was a conviction on, was requirement to provide guests with pre-trip safety briefing amoung many other charges/convictions.

I'm pretty sure that's all over. He was guiding this summer

 

[trophywife]

I'm pretty sure that's all over. He was guiding this summer

how did they get insurance?

 

[searun]

how did they get insurance?

Pretty sure many insurers sales brokers don't look too closely at who's behind the risk they insure. But their claims departments sure do where there is a big loss. If the risk wasn't honestly presented to the insurer by the customer being insured, that would breach the policy in most instances. Not to mention, that insurance is optional...its certainly buyer beware market for people picking a good charter operator.

 

[wolf]

Actually, there were charges and a court case that resulted from that incident against the operator - so there were consequences. One interesting charge that there was a conviction on, was requirement to provide guests with pre-trip safety briefing amoung many other charges/convictions.

I'm pretty sure that's all over. He was guiding this summer

AND there lies the problem NO MATTER what.
Fact guy shouldnt have been guiding, kills people and if its true hes taking people out again...

AND YOU WANT MORE LISCENSING .
WOW .

 

[Aces]

how did they get insurance?

Not really sure. I’m sure there are loopholes. Maybe it’s all in his wife’s name? Her last name is different than his.

 

[trophywife]

Not really sure. I’m sure there are loopholes. Maybe it’s all in his wife’s name? Her last name is different than his.

possibly a limited company before or now also. lots of ways i guess to get around.

 

[Derby]

AND there lies the problem NO MATTER what.
Fact guy shouldnt have been guiding, kills people and if its true hes taking people out again...

AND YOU WANT MORE LISCENSING .
WOW .

And who are you yelling at ????

 

[wolf]

Just pointing out how dumb more is not better , we are getting regulated to death enough. im surprised we can even function in life with out the government telling us what to do..frankly getting really tired of it.. whats in place doesnt work we all know it, soon fishing will be a thing of the past with more and more closures . so enjoy what we got ...

 

[Aces]

Just pointing out how dumb more is not better , we are getting regulated to death enough. im surprised we can even function in life with out the government telling us what to do..frankly getting really tired of it.. whats in place doesnt work we all know it, soon fishing will be a thing of the past with more and more closures . so enjoy what we got ...

Geez it’s almost like I wrote this. So agree

 

[searun]

Enjoy folks, these are the good old days...more regulation, more controls, more reduction in access and opportunity are certainly just over the horizon. Perhaps one of the ways forward against that developing environment our fishery will find itself in, is to modernize our approach to how we manage our shrinking access to the fishery.

 

[Smellslikefish]

To operate a charter you need a Small Vessel Operator Proficiency certification - which I figure every person who operates a boat in saltwater should have as a minimum if they're taking other people with them on the water. I paid ~$1000 to take a 6-day course from Landsend in Gibsons, BC (one of many SVOP course providers) plus a $175 2-day Marine First Aid course at ABC First Aid in Nanaimo (also one of many Marine First Aid course providers) to get mine. Although isn't required to operate a Charter boat (the SVOP is the only requirement), Skilled Trades BC https://skilledtradesbc.ca/tidal-angling-guide also offers a Tidal Angling Guide program where you submit documented hours of experience.

I'm a cost-crunching business analyst who's addicted to fishing and I figure that the average day of fishing costs me a minimum of ~$300 in out of pocket costs (truck and boat fuel & maintenance, ice, lost/damaged gear, insurance, etc.) plus another ~$700 in depreciation and opportunity costs associated with the money I have wrapped up in the boat and gear (assuming I get out ~20 times a year). This means that an ~8-hour $1200 fishing charter (plus another 2 hours of work cleaning p*ss and p*ke out of my cuddy and getting my boat ready to go again) leaves me with ~$20/hour for my effort - assuming nothing major goes wrong. I don't need a minimum wage job so I stick to taking friends and family out fishing and if they pitch me a few bucks to help cover the cost that's great and if they don't that's great too. If I was worried about the cost I'd find a different pastime. If I wanted to make money... there's better ways to do it.

 

[Aces]

To operate a charter you need a Small Vessel Operator Proficiency certification - which I figure every person who operates a boat in saltwater should have as a minimum if they're taking other people with them on the water. I paid ~$1000 to take a 6-day course from Landsend in Gibsons, BC (one of many SVOP course providers) plus a $175 2-day Marine First Aid course at ABC First Aid in Nanaimo (also one of many Marine First Aid course providers) to get mine. Although isn't required to operate a Charter boat (the SVOP is the only requirement), Skilled Trades BC https://skilledtradesbc.ca/tidal-angling-guide also offers a Tidal Angling Guide program where you submit documented hours of experience.

I'm a cost-crunching business analyst who's addicted to fishing and I figure that the average day of fishing costs me a minimum of ~$300 in out of pocket costs (truck and boat fuel & maintenance, ice, lost/damaged gear, insurance, etc.) plus another ~$700 in depreciation and opportunity costs associated with the money I have wrapped up in the boat and gear (assuming I get out ~20 times a year). This means that an ~8-hour $1200 fishing charter (plus another 2 hours of work cleaning p*ss and p*ke out of my cuddy and getting my boat ready to go again) leaves me with ~$20/hour for my effort - assuming nothing major goes wrong. I don't need a minimum wage job so I stick to taking friends and family out fishing and if they pitch me a few bucks to help cover the cost that's great and if they don't that's great too. If I was worried about the cost I'd find a different pastime.

First Aid was a requirement before I retired