Goodbye to US boats

Coxswain

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Just checked the border services website which seems to confirm a 25% tariff is being laid on all new AND used boats being brought back to Canada from the US. Dammit. I was just about to pull the trigger on a nice 18 footer. Waited too long.

On the plus side for all you guys trying to sell boats in BC, the closure of the US market can only help your sales ;-)
 
Boats are part of the free trade agreement which I don’t think either country is touching at this point?

The US did a terrible framework for a deal with Japan and a good deal with the EU. I don’t think there is a need to rush into a bad deal as the US is feeling the pain and Trump needs a “win” every day to change the narrative from his old friend.

 
Just checked the border services website which seems to confirm a 25% tariff is being laid on all new AND used boats being brought back to Canada from the US. Dammit. I was just about to pull the trigger on a nice 18 footer. Waited too long.

On the plus side for all you guys trying to sell boats in BC, the closure of the US market can only help your sales ;-)
Where did you see that on the CBSA website? Thought it was still if the boat is manufactured in Canada, US or Mexico per USMCA there is no tariff applied. If the boat is manufactured in Europe and you import to Canada via the US then a tariff would potentially apply.
 
I am going to remind everyone that the conversation around a tariff on boats as an informational piece is fine, and determining the accuracy of how it applies will stand. However, there will not be a broad discussion on the topic of right or wrong and the political conversation on either side of the argument. That quagmire can be discussed on another platform.
 

"What goods the tariffs apply to: Tariffs apply to new and used goods marked as made in the US, produced in the US, or originating in the US or goods that have no country of origin marking."

Sounds like a 25% tax on used boats to me...?

As for the politics, sod it. I doubt many of these US trade deals will survive long anyway. The EU one has already been shot down by Germany and France, and I doubt the Japanese will swallow their pill.

The US is sinking. Everyone is just going to switch to importing/exporting even more stuff to/from China. Better to wean ourselves off the yanks before we go down with the same ship IMHO.
 

"What goods the tariffs apply to: Tariffs apply to new and used goods marked as made in the US, produced in the US, or originating in the US or goods that have no country of origin marking."

Sounds like a 25% tax on used boats to me...?

As for the politics, sod it. I doubt many of these US trade deals will survive long anyway. The EU one has already been shot down by Germany and France, and I doubt the Japanese will swallow their pill.

The US is sinking. Everyone is just going to switch to importing/exporting even more stuff to/from China. Better to wean ourselves off the yanks before we go down with the same ship IMHO.
From the page you shared which has the link I shared above. When in doubt hire a broker. I used to deal with CBSA all the time and knew the fine print, down to the regulations and their internal manuals, not for goods but for people. Now we use a lawyer who specializes in the field and I worry less.

The page has the 1814 classes of goods including bimi tops, sails and canvas.
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I have a Gemini Pro account and it gave me this

Recreational Boats Can Enjoy Tariff-Free Travel Under USMCA: Here's How
Recreational boats manufactured in the United States, Mexico, or Canada can be exempt from tariffs when traded between the three countries, provided they meet the specific "rules of origin" outlined in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA). The agreement, which replaced NAFTA, eliminates tariffs on most qualifying goods, including recreational vessels, fostering a more integrated North American market.
The key to this exemption lies not in a blanket immunity for all boats, but in adherence to the detailed provisions within the USMCA's text, primarily in Chapter 2: National Treatment and Market Access for Goods and Chapter 4: Rules of Origin.
The Foundation for Tariff Exemption
Article 2.4 of the USMCA, titled "Elimination of Customs Duties," serves as the foundational provision for tariff-free trade. This article stipulates that no party shall increase any existing customs duty or adopt any new customs duty on an "originating good." For a recreational boat to be considered an "originating good" and thus benefit from this exemption, it must comply with the criteria set forth in Chapter 4.
Meeting the "Rules of Origin"
A recreational boat's eligibility for tariff exemption hinges on proving it "originates" from within the USMCA trade bloc. This is primarily determined in one of two ways: a "tariff shift" or by meeting a "regional value content" requirement.
1. Tariff Shift (TS): This is the most common method for many manufactured goods. A tariff shift occurs when the final product (the boat) has a different tariff classification under the Harmonized System (HS) than its non-originating components. The HS code for most recreational boats and yachts falls under Chapter 89. The specific rule of origin for a particular boat will dictate how much transformation the non-North American parts must undergo. If all the non-originating materials used in the production of the boat are in a different HS chapter than the final boat, it will likely qualify.
2. Regional Value Content (RVC): If a boat's components share the same HS classification as the final product, it can still qualify for tariff exemption by meeting a minimum Regional Value Content. This means a certain percentage of the boat's value must be attributable to North American parts and labor. The USMCA provides two methods for calculating RVC:
* Transaction Value Method: This method is based on the price of the good. The formula is:
RVC = \frac{TV - VNM}{TV} \times 100
where TV is the transaction value of the good and VNM is the value of non-originating materials. For most goods, the required RVC under this method is 60%.
* Net Cost Method: This method is based on the total cost of the good minus costs for sales promotion, marketing, after-sales service, and other specified expenses. The formula is:
RVC = \frac{NC - VNM}{NC} \times 100
where NC is the net cost of the good. The required RVC under this method is typically 50%.
The choice of which RVC method to use generally lies with the producer, exporter, or importer.
The Crucial "Certification of Origin"
To claim the tariff exemption, the importer must have a "certification of origin." This is not a standardized form like the previous NAFTA Certificate of Origin. Instead, it is a set of nine minimum data elements that can be included on an invoice or any other commercial document. These elements are:
* Certifier Information: Name, address, and contact information of the person certifying origin.
* Exporter Information: Name, address, and contact information if different from the certifier.
* Producer Information: Name, address, and contact information if different from the certifier or exporter.
* Importer Information: Name, address, and contact information.
* Description and HS Tariff Classification of the Good: A detailed description of the recreational boat and its six-digit HS code.
* Origin Criterion: The specific rule of origin under which the boat qualifies (e.g., tariff shift or regional value content).
* Blanket Period: If the certification covers multiple shipments of identical goods, the period (up to 12 months) it covers.
* Authorized Signature and Date: The signature of the person certifying the origin.
* Certification Statement: A statement affirming that the goods described qualify as originating and the information is true and accurate.
This certification can be completed by the exporter, producer, or, in some cases, the importer. It is crucial for the party issuing the certification to maintain records to support the claim of origin.
In conclusion, while the USMCA provides a clear pathway for tariff-free trade in recreational boats, it is essential for manufacturers, exporters, and importers to understand and comply with the specific rules of origin and documentation requirements. By ensuring a boat qualifies as "originating" and providing a valid certification of origin, the benefits of this North American trade agreement can be fully realized.
 
One thing I learned 5 weeks ago when I imported my boat was; border agents on the US side and Canadian side have no clue. They all said duties would apply when I asked while crossing the border. I spent a hour one day at the Douglas Border crossing talking to several agents. When I contacted and then used a Customs Broker out of Victoria, they said there’s zero duties on used boats made in the US. And the broker had multiple US purchased boats being processed the same week I used him. Things may have changed as of Aug 1, but, talk to a broker. Don’t read some obscure CBSA document that needs officer interpretation.
 
One thing I learned 5 weeks ago when I imported my boat was; border agents on the US side and Canadian side have no clue. They all said duties would apply when I asked while crossing the border. I spent a hour one day at the Douglas Border crossing talking to several agents. When I contacted and then used a Customs Broker out of Victoria, they said there’s zero duties on used boats made in the US. And the broker had multiple US purchased boats being processed the same week I used him. Things may have changed as of Aug 1, but, talk to a broker. Don’t read some obscure CBSA document that needs officer interpretation.
Pictures of the new ride?
 
A broker would be my first choice if I was in the market for a big purchase. But I was just looking at saving a few K on a used runabout from the US, so a broker doesn't make much sense. Not quite sure if anyone really understands what's likely to happen at the border these days anyway. Even the emails I got back from border services were pretty vague, with the caveat that this is a 'fluid situation' and things could change.

Probably best not to hold any faith in the laws on border trade right now...
 
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