Fraser Sockey Collapse???

Ok, so this topic has fallen to the second page, but I just can't get over it. Today there was a gill netter just downstream of the Alex Fraser Bridge. I phone DFO and it is a sanctioned opening until noon today.

I've had it up to here! (hands over my head) I am serious about a class action law suit. Most of you have been around a lot longer than me, has a court case been brought against DFO, and second handedly first nations? Has this been tried? If not, lets band together and sue the eastern bastards.

Please don't get me wrong, first nations have a right to their resource, but we are at a breaking point. In our suit, we should propose that DFO charter a flight to Russia and load up on their Sockeye and give them to first nations in exchange for a complete elimination of fishing for probably eight years. Maybe then, before I get too old, I can go fishing for Sockeye one more time.
 
there has to be more real quota's take for example the tswassenn band 400 members tops and the total food fish catch is around 75-80000 fish. thats an average of 187 fish a year. we a family of four eats a lot of fish and we don't go through 20 fish a year. Multiply that by the amount of bands on the river and that's a lot of fish. I'm not saying stop the food fishery but be a little more realistic on the quota's. If there isn't enough fish for everybody then no one fishes. Dfo has to get more enforcement out there. give us time on the ocean and stop flossing in the river. where every tom dick and harry (and there wives) can catch there limits over and over again. I now natives have rights, but why do there rights super seeds my rights. I thought we all are equal. I guess not. I am going to hate seeing what this province is going to be like when my 3 an 6 month old are old enough of enjoy this great province of ours. just my two bits worth. as for your class action I know the commercial guys tried it ten years ago with now results. and MP John Cummins is a supporter of equal rights between native and none native
 
Hey Coriba,

You only know only the tip of the iceberg. If you knew all thats going on you'll be checking into the mental ward. If you want to spend a lot of money and time and get nowhere, file your suit.
 
Night fishing illegally is what's going on,got it from the horses mouth at the lauch in steveston, those numbers are not accounted for!! These fish = money, how many millions are missing? And how much is a cheap sockeye? 10- 15$ each times millions? I understand other things reflect the returns but come on! [}:)]:(And again I saw the boats on the river again, down the road from my house and seeing the reports on the news then these boats in the river having a hayday makes no sense at all!!!
 
Dear Fisheries Minster Shea:

I am following the news that DFO is reporting 11 million sockeye salmon have vanished. The magnitude, social impact and trajectory of this fishery failure is on a par with the collapse of Canada’s Atlantic cod. Scientists have published on what went wrong within DFO to allow the cod, one of earth’s most abundant food resources to collapse. They identified political distortion of the science as a critical factor. They argue the public was not accurately informed as the collapse was underway.

(Hutchings, J.A., Walters, C., and Haedrich, R.L. 1997. Is scientific inquiry incompatible with government information control? Can. J. Fish. Aquat. Sci. 54: 1198–1210. )

This brings me to several recent comments in the media attributed to high-ranking DFO employees. Bary Rosenburger, DFO area director for the Fraser, describes the Fraser sockeye collapse as unexpected and that DFO doesn’t know what happened (Globe and Mail, Aug 13, 2009). But the next day he goes on to say it does not look like fish farms are responsible (BCLocalNews.com).

On August 15, Paul Sprout, Pacific Region Director for DFO published a letter in the Globe and Mail “Sea lice from fish farms are not the explanation of this year’s extremely poor marine survival of Fraser River sockeye...”

Given both the importance of the Fraser sockeye to the BC economy, ecology and First Nations; and the analysis that DFO political interference with science may have allowed the east coast cod to collapse, it is reasonable to ask what science did Sprout and Rosenburger use to inform the public that fish farms are not responsible for this sockeye collapse?

Two of your highest ranking employees involved with this fishery have publicly exonerated the fish farmers, an industry associated with catastrophic salmon collapse worldwide (Ford and Myers 2008) and here in BC (Krkosek et al 2007).

The most recent past catastrophic BC wild salmon collapse was in 2002 when 99% of the Broughton pink salmon failed to return. The Pink Salmon Action Plan (http://www.fish.bc.ca/node/135) temporarily removed farm salmon from the Broughton pink salmon migration route and the next generation of pink salmon returned at the highest survivorship ever recorded for the species (Beamish et al 2006). That management decision was reversed and the stock collapsed again.

Dr. Brian Riddell of the Pacific Salmon Foundation suggests that answers to the fate of these sockeye may lie in what happened to them right after they left the Fraser River, before they reached the open ocean. I and others did examine this run of sockeye shortly after they left the Fraser River. We were the last scientists to see these fish before they disappeared, and they had up to 28 sea lice on them as they passed the salmon farms off Campbell River.

Before you reply that DFO’s Dr. Simon Jones says young salmon are highly resistant to lice, please review his publications. I do not find the data in his studies to support this claim once the lice are attached to the fish. Many international scientific papers run contrary to Dr. Jones’ assertions.

I cannot tell you that fish farms definitely killed all 11 million missing Fraser sockeye, but fish farms most certainly are involved because DFO and the Province of BC sited them on the Fraser River migration route. The missing sockeye did swim through fish farm effluent. Rather than exempting fish farms from your investigation you must order complete disclosure of the health and number of farm salmon on the missing Fraser sockeye migration route in 2006-present. And we, the people of Canada and beyond, need to know why DFO is exonerating fish farms in the first few days of the investigation on what happened to one of earth’s most generous human food supplies?

Alexandra Morton
www.adopt-a-fry.org
 
I think it is pretty clear to me that DFO will not ever admit that Sockeye Salmon fry infected with lice from Salmon farms caused any part of this years catastrophic loss of Sockeye. Even if they do know it played a part - Remember government WANTS fish farming so it makes sense they would immediately deny any problem with farming. As far as the scientists go ....Do think the DFO would listen to their scientists if they found evidence that showed farms were a danger to the sockeye and pink fry ? Do you think there might be pressure on scientists to "go with the flow"...and perhaps find positive evidence only ?
The only way to change the way salmon farming is practiced is by public pressure. Ms. Morton may be far to one side on this but sometimes thats necessary to get people to listen. She probably won't ever have much affect directly on DFO and their stand on fish farming but she certainly does make the public constantly aware of what damage fish farming may be doing to our Salmon.
 
I live in the fraser valley and often night fish for sturgies, you really want to see whats going on, take a ride up river from mission at night to see whats really going on.
 
imagine if this was a company ( and each fish=1 dollar) and dfo is a com[any there would be hell to pay by the accountants over the lose of millions of dollars or fish there
 
Guys... be it what it may be, but... You need to vote for "shuting it down"... while there is still something to "SHUT DOWN"!
 
Charlie...it is shut down..no recreational catch, no commercial catch...if you want to go chat up the bands on the Fraser River (start with the Cheehum Band) and see if you can convince them to shut down as well...then we will see a recovery. Poaching on the Fraser is out of control...those who buy that fish should spend enough time in jail to send a strong message to others. I think the only way to stop it is to take the market away.
 
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