Fraser Sockey Collapse???

Our trusted local rags couldn't be bothered to cover this story. I go over the Alex Fraser bridge twice a day. Every time I go over, there are boats in the river fishing. Even this morning. After reading that story in the Globe this morning and seeing the fishing boats I just about blew a fuse.

I spent a lot of money on a boat three years ago, and in that short time the fishery has completely collapsed before my eyes. I'm thinking of sueing DFO for destroying my livelihood. Class action suit anybody?
 
quote:Originally posted by coriba
....I spent a lot of money on a boat three years ago, and in that short time the fishery has completely collapsed before my eyes. I'm thinking of sueing DFO for destroying my livelihood. Class action suit anybody?
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Are you a fishing guide, someone that makes his sole living from guiding sports anglers for Sockeye in the salt?

(Note that snagging Sockeye in the Fraser isn't in any way sport</u> fishing)

The story is a terrible tragedy and everyone who voted for Gordon Campbell's Liberal party can Thank themselves for helping destroy a priceless resource.

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quote:Originally posted by Dogbreath

quote:Originally posted by coriba
....I spent a lot of money on a boat three years ago, and in that short time the fishery has completely collapsed before my eyes. I'm thinking of sueing DFO for destroying my livelihood. Class action suit anybody?
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Are you a fishing guide, someone that makes his sole living from guiding sports anglers for Sockeye in the salt?

(Note that snagging Sockeye in the Fraser isn't in any way sport</u> fishing)

I'm thinking commercial boat???

The story is a terrible tragedy and everyone who voted for Gordon Campbell's Liberal party can Thank themselves for helping destroy a priceless resource.

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I too saw the fishing boats in the river. Wondered what the heck was going on esspecially with the small return of the sockeye run.
Left me scratching my head trying to figure that one out.
Maybe if the nets weren't out there wouldn't be a shortage reaching the spawning grounds.
But, that's just my observations combined with 45 years fishing the Fraser Valley rivers and tributaries, what do I know.. [V]


IAFF Local #18 (Vancouver Fire Rescue)
 
Time to call your MP?

Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
 
"supposally" they are trying to catch springs with a " big" net. because now they have to feed there family"s with something other than sockeye.
 
I just heard D.F.O. is now predicting a huge return next year. ;)

And duhhhhhh, what mystery is there about where the fish are going ?

No.1 they are getting caught and second there are not enough making it back = no fish. There are boats out there from different countries that can suck up our sox in a couple of days.
 
It is time that DFO grew some balls and tackle the Fraser River sockeye issue. Conservation is priority #1 and yet in the face of as serious a conservation issue you could experience with a salmon species they won't uphold that mandate. No one should be fishing for sockeye...period! It pisses me off when I release all sockeye to spawn, (so that things will be better in 4 years) only to hear that some other son of a B&%@# catches and keeps them behind me. What a joke. At what number of fish do they close sockeye for everyone? I guess an east coaster could best answer that one.
 
just an update. No boats in the river last night. Another article in the Globe this morning in the British Columbia section "Calls grow for summit on salmon crisis". Not one word in the Sun, I don't get the Province.

This is lunacy.
 
The missing sockeye made the lead story on CBC National News last night, so I guess it's official.

Not sure we can blast DFO yet for this, but wondering how they predict returns.

Is it based on number of fish on the spawning beds 4 years ago, or a "count" of the fry that make their way to the ocean?

The test fisheries they do certainly give an indication of the numbers returning this year, but what do they use for a model to predict a year in advance? Hopefully Brisco is right that next year may see a return to a normal high number of returning fish, but I'm not counting on it.
 
In 2005 they had their escapement plus 2 million on top of that and for the bulk of this run they actually counted fry leaving the lake.Somewhere they lost 8 million fish.If i remember...i think it was 77 or 88 million fry that left the lake

quote:Originally posted by Time

The missing sockeye made the lead story on CBC National News last night, so I guess it's official.

Not sure we can blast DFO yet for this, but wondering how they predict returns.

Is it based on number of fish on the spawning beds 4 years ago, or a "count" of the fry that make their way to the ocean?

The test fisheries they do certainly give an indication of the numbers returning this year, but what do they use for a model to predict a year in advance? Hopefully Brisco is right that next year may see a return to a normal high number of returning fish, but I'm not counting on it.
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I think that is one of the contributing factors....But i don't think at this stage of the game we can blame any one thing? fish farms,DFO mismanagement, overfishing here and north pacific,environmental conditions? the list goes on.......
Lets just hope we can change it and hopefully have some fish around for future generations..


quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin

quote:Originally posted by twinwinds

...Somewhere they lost 8 million fish.
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Somewhere?Have a boo at the map in the original Globe and Mail article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ignal-crisis-onthefraserriver/article1249976/

Methinks you'll figure out at least part of the problem...
Nog
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That is quite the graphic Nog, I agree. I`m sure alot of people are considering this as a major contributing factor. Well everyone but Sockeyefry and the Government of course. eman
 
So the Stamp run has to pass by 2 or 3 farms, and the Fraser pass by 20, 30, 40,..............? Clearly more studies are needed.
 
quote:Originally posted by Klob

So the Stamp run has to pass by 2 or 3 farms, and the Fraser pass by 20, 30, 40,..............? Clearly more studies are needed.
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Actually the graphic may be somewhat dated. The farm in the Narrows hasn't been active in at least a couple of years. The other two are located up minor inlets, a fair ways from the main migration route out from the Stamp.

There was talk of introducing up to 16 more farm sites along the Inlet several years ago. THAT got the serious attention of a great many locals, and the plan was eventually kiboshed. From what I see now, methinks the end result was the best thing that could have happened![^]

Cheers,
Nog
 
The most obvious thing about the map with fish farm locations is how many farms are on the inside versus the outside of the Island. Most of the Fraser Sockeye migrate through these inside waters riddled with fish farms. The Alberni sockeye only pass a couple of farms on their way to sea. The Alberni run not only came in at projected numbers, the DFO actually had to upgrade the run size. I assume that the Sockeye from both inside and outside inhabit similar feeding grounds and encountered the same ocean conditions. The one major difference appears to be that the inside stocks must travel past many fish farms and are susceptible to sea lice infestation and disease transmission from the penned stocks. Not exactly hard evidence, but it sure seems to indicate that the farms are a major factor in the inside runs decline.
 
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