FOUL HOOKING ---PINKS WITH TREBLE HOOKS

[HOOTEY]

OK HAVE ROD WILL TRAVEL...your missing the point, IDIOTS ARE JUST WHAT THEY ARE "I D I O T S !" NO MATTER WHAT COLOR , RACE , OR CREED .....I am a Chilliwack boy and have fished all my life for some 56 years and were to the point of having to stock the ocean with PINKS to give us something to fish for, I used to fish the Cowichan,Kokisila,Meir Caycuse and Nitnat some 25 years ago ,,,my fishing partner was the late Donnie Erickson it was him who taught me the areas fisheries and we NEVER had to resort to catching PINKS...the message I am trying to promote is FAIR FISHING PRACTISES and the act of FOUL HOOKING-SNAGGING-FLOSSING ETC IS SIMPY---F--KING RETARTED and one wonders why if caught by the wrong frustrated angler would wonder why the foul hooker wouldnt get his butt kicked!!! Get my point....NUFF SAID.

 

[bigsbee]

Hey I thought this was supposed to be a fishing forum not a soapbox for for bigots like banger17 to voice the twisted views of some of the locals. I guess racism is still alive and well in the Cowichan Valley.

 

[banger17]

point taken, and by all means i am no racist. I apologize for the remarks above, was never meant to be intended as such. Now... I have not attempted the cowichan bay fishery, but have tried the departure bay pink fishery once this week. Got one on a pink crocodile spoon. What bothered me was a few teenage boys and their dad jigging them with triple hooks next to me on the shore.
yah it bothered me! but... what can i do? if there is one thing that bothers me, it is sitting back watching our fish stocks tumble and tumble away. As this is happening, there are people out there with blatant disregard for the "rules" and respect for all fisheries. that is what i was trying to get across.

best of luck out there! i know the pink net pen idea is a fun little fishery a few minutes away from home, especially to get the "non-fishers" out for a day of fun.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

Get my point

Actually, no I don't.
Indians have always netted and gaffed fish. You are infringing on their resource. You are allowing environmental desecration, bad commercial fishing practices, DFO mismanagement, the damming of rivers, etc, all of which reduce the supply of fish.

Do not blame Indians.

 

[HOOTEY]

HAVEROD,,,,,Pretty sure if you read the post from the beginning I wasnt blaming indians----just the I D I O T whop are snagging!!!! So why not get a sop box and bring it down to the Cowichan Bay Pub and spout off there....

 

[yo mama]

So at what year in the future do we finally realize that we all live here and that no one race has rights over another. As it stands right now it is discrimination to alow one group one thing and say that other cannot do the same because they are not native. If there are only 100 fish left in the river they still have the right to gaff, net and snag all 100? give your head a shake. Everybody lives here in 2009 and we should all obey the same rules period.

 

[El Pescador]

quote:Originally posted by yo mama

So at what year in the future do we finally realize that we all live here and that no one race has rights over another. As it stands right now it is discrimination to alow one group one thing and say that other cannot do the same because they are not native. If there are only 100 fish left in the river they still have the right to gaff, net and snag all 100? give your head a shake. Everybody lives here in 2009 and we should all obey the same rules period.

I agree, but you go and tell that to the judges and lawmakers and see what happens......[}]

 

[highlights]

I'm with Yo Mama without a doubt!

Rights to what? When only 10,000 people lived on this earth maybe the "rights" thing mattered. We were all native to some place originally. Actually we are native to earth itself. We are all living modern times and such we must recognize that shear numbers mean every last bit of environmental concern is an issue that "we" all must deal with. Not just play the "rights" card and take the final bite.

You are right about one thing though HAVE ROD, our government must stop playcating the natives just to get away with much larger environmental disasters.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

Firstly, I think that about 90% of BC constitutes unceded territory by the Indians. Hence, they have not given up their rights to those resources.
Secondly, "we" have blown our allotment of fish by allowing industrial development ( ie destruction of the environment), without the proper environmental safeguards. The Indians have not shared equally in the "prosperity" of these developments.

Now have any of you heard of the Prosperity Mine that's slated to go in in the Memiah Valley of BC???

This is a prime example of "we", modern white society desecrating the environment. The plan is to use Fish Lake as a tailings pond for a gold mine. Firstly, this will kill 85,000 in the lake. Secondly, Fish Lake runs into the Chilko River, which runs into the Fraser River. This has the potential to kill the river and it's tributaries.

The bottom line is that we will all suffer as the economic benefits will not outweigh the environmental costs. But who will suffer more?
Yes, it's the Indians. And then people will be even more ferocious in erroneously blaming the low fish stocks on the Indians for "illegal" fishing practices, which are not illegal in their case.

 

[highlights]

All Valid points guys.

.....it's a big freak'n mess that only one giant power has created.

Greed and money.

 

[kngfsh7]

I agree, "white society" is to blame. Now, if we can just sort out exactly who qualifies as "white"...

 

[Charlie]

I am not even sure I want to jump into this "family" argument? But, I think this "dead horse" has been beaten enough?

quote:Originally posted by haverodwilltravel

Firstly, I think that about 90% of BC constitutes unceded territory by the Indians. Hence, they have not given up their rights to those resources.

That might not be 100% correct? It might be a little more complicated than that? Without getting into treaties (or the lack thereof), The Indian Act, etc, etc! It pretty much boils down to "Status". If a person is considered "Non-Status", which is one who considers themselves Indians though Canada does not recognize them as such, they fall under a different category and do NOT have any special fishing rights:

"indigenous person not recognized by government: a member of an indigenous people not recognized by the federal government of Canada as having special rights and privileges, especially the right to live on a reservation."

quote:Secondly, "we" have blown our allotment of fish by allowing industrial development ( ie destruction of the environment), without the proper environmental safeguards. The Indians have not shared equally in the "prosperity" of these developments.

I don't think anyone can really argue that, but need to change it to "Indians,ALONG WITH MOST OTHERS", have not shared equally! Same thing happened down here in the States!

quote:Now have any of you heard of the Prosperity Mine that's slated to go in in the Memiah Valley of BC???

This is a prime example of "we", modern white society desecrating the environment. The plan is to use Fish Lake as a tailings pond for a gold mine. Firstly, this will kill 85,000 in the lake. Secondly, Fish Lake runs into the Chilko River, which runs into the Fraser River. This has the potential to kill the river and it's tributaries.

Is this still not in litigation, for that reason?

quote:The bottom line is that we will all suffer as the economic benefits will not outweigh the environmental costs. But who will suffer more? Yes, it's the Indians. And then people will be even more ferocious in erroneously blaming the low fish stocks on the Indians for "illegal" fishing practices, which are not illegal in their case.

I do NOT believe any one culture is going to suffer more than the other? If you look at what is currently transpiring, The First Nations, Canada, British Columbia are currently working on some VERY long - drawn out - negotiations concerning establishing treaties to resolve these issues. And, might I add! If you look at what they have done recently... It is pretty fair to all concerned!

TFN, Canada, BC, and DFO all know there is a problem and while it is going to take time, I see things getting worked out! Look at the current treaties just put into effect?

If there are questions concerning the activities of an individual or group, just call DFO's Hotline? If you do that, you have done your part!

Actually I am a LOT more worried about the "Fraser River Sockeye", along with "Robertson Creek" issuses and what is being done?

This is also starting to sound more like a political debate?
Just my 2 cents!

 

[highlights]

Again, good points there.

I am white but I can certainly say that no one in my family has benefitted from the raping of our oceans. Just as some may be natives, I am saying that I am white , and I can tell you that we both have been screwed!



.......... we must still be accountable, however small our take is. Collectively all humans are adding to the pressure. As they say, even if only one flower was picked by every person on earth; Well..... there would be no flowers left to look at.

 

[sharkbait]

The discussion on this issue is great and I really like Charlie's info. It seems accurate with the issues I am aware of as well.

Personally, I just want to say that the argument about status FN, etc should be allowed to snag, use trebles, etc seems wrong to me. Same as their fishing for "food and ceremonial purposes" by using seiners, gillnetters, etc. Same as Inuit, etc. If you want to hunt / fish using traditional techniques then that would be more acceptable to me, but not taking what you want using 20th century technology, while saying we are entitled to by way of birthright, ancestry, etc.

I have never understood this because all individuals on earth, if you go back far enough have been wronged, etc as well as being related. So therefore why one set of rules for one set of people and not others. Just like profiting off of big projects, etc. All of us aren't profiting off of those as well since the people whom are profiting are from many different races, economic and social backgrounds.

What it boils down to is that my opinion is that if we are living in Canada, we should all be willing to live by the same rules in Canada.

That's my rant for the month.

sb[:I]

sharkbait

 

[haverodwilltravel]

Oh well, at least we're able to talk in a civilized manner.

When I said "white society", I mean modern day industrialized society.

All I'm saying is that, Indians do not generally benefit to the same extent as most of us do in modern day industrialized society. As a matter of fact, our way of life prospers at their expense.

So please recognize that we are all on unceded territory and that even though we many think that we "own" the land and the resources....we don't. We have benefitted by industrialization (which kills fish), so let's not be petty toward the original people of this land who has shared the resources with us.

 

[bigmeal]

Tnt 15, your comment is NOT appreciated and is totally not helping anything or anyone except breed hatred. So if you have a comment on the topic, feel free if not, don't bother.

 

[highlights]

Whoa , not very diplomatic there at all.

Haverodwilltravel seems to be getting his point across very effectively. As is everyone else for that matter. This has been a very civilized thread to this point. Lets keep things productive here guys.

 

[haverodwilltravel]

I think we all see where TNT is coming from. I do not believe that many people on the forum has this view, so even though we may not agree with it, I think we should remain tolerant.

 

[kngfsh7]

"When I said "white society", I mean modern day industrialized society." One has to wonder why the poster didn't just say that in the first place. Why the reference to skin color?

 

[HOOTEY]

Never once mentioned skin colour,,,,the post is all about fishing legal!! As for the rest of you heres my take, I fish legal so when I see someone snagging or going through the motions to make it look like your not snagging it just PISSES ME OFF---who ever it is your a " F-CKING IDIOT!"...ITS ALL ABOUT KARMA....YA KNOW THE WHAT GOES AROUNG COMES AROUND.......