Fishermen - Listen!

This is an unfortunate occurrence that happens time and time again, made even worse when words gets out that fishing is great. Nanaimo in May was another example, fishing was great and anyone with a boat was out chasing chinook, and wouldn't you know there were guys tubbing out in the morning then going back in the afternoon and doing it all over again. How about Port Alberni sockeye, that attracts all the the freezer fillers...it all gets my blood boiling.

It both disgusts and saddens me at this display of 'humanity'. Those that abuse are also some of the first to complain...too bad there wasn't a pill to help them get their heads of their you-know-whats!
 
Good call Chris,this has been a sore point of mine for years, a general lack of respect and knowledge.Guys that cut every identifiable part off a fish.Guys Going out twice a day for their Pink limits.Guys keeping more than their twenty fish.Guys selling sport caught fish.On and on.....smarten up.And I won't start about the clams crabs and prawns.Dan
 
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Same guys that say they love the outdoors , but treat it like their own personal garbge dump by leaving everything behind. Including those beercans, candy bar wrappers, and the all famous Mepps or Vibrax packages tangled in a heap of monofilament.

Last summer in Renfrew I saw a guy finish a lucky and then proceed to toss the can over his shoulder into the chuck. I couldn't believe it. I should have said something right away, and it made me feel sick and embarrassed for not doing so.:(

Highliner

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Yep nothing like having some visitors in the boat having just commented on how beautiful and clean it is in our area. Then seeing a floating empty or bait tray on a calm sea go by the boat. Years ago I watched a well known local finish his trip with limit of springs at Possession Point. He was dead in the water cleaning up his gear, boat etc, before heading in. I watched as he tossed his bait tray in the water. I couldn't believe it. I circled back and plucked it out of the water about 50 feet from where he still sat. I fished up beside him and tossed it back into his boat and told him to take his F'en garbage back to the marina. He never looked or spoke to me again for the next few years he continued to fish. No loss.
 
I see fisheries infractions almost everyday, most are intentional. The recreational crab fishery sees more than it fair share of abuse by people taking to many or undersized. I can't count how many people I've told you can't remove the shells until you are home. They look at you like your the ahole!
 
quote:Originally posted by Poppa Swiss

quote:Im going fishing and its costing me money for boat,gas,bait,gear, launch

Exactly - how many times did this argument come up when halibut limits were cut.

Or how about those guys fishing nootka or bamfield for 10 days, no way those guys are not taking a few extra home with them.

http://www.fishingvancouverisland.org - a new Fishing forum

..... not a new forum........ I can see it now. Trying to manage the chat on two fishing boards is going to drive my wife over the edge. Why'd they have to go do that. Now the same members are going to have to share their stories twice......:( Thats alot of typing.
 
Do you ever phone DFO and report the culprits to them? I did last week and they checked the guy out on the water about 1-2 hours later. It's all right to *****, but it's also important to take action. I's sure you can tell when it's an accidental infraction or when it's an intentional violation. The intentional violators shold be reported, along with their boat number, vehicle number, and if posssible a picture.
 
It appears to be worse on the pink years, everyone is out for a stab at the humpys. I got into it over a few antics a few weeks back, two boats at Church, me and Adams tacking happily away all morning, when this other jackass cross tacks right at my port side claiming he is going to ram my boat. Well How Very Nice, after a few attempts of simplistic reasoning with the poor chaps about rethinking before beaking off, he continued on his collision course. Now first off, im with the Weapon and Big Ragu as Wolf Knows, aka the "Italion Forklift" my first thought is these guys are not playing with a full deck? So after raising some blood presure and exchanging a few calming words of endearment these twits moved on injury free.

I guess my point is, I, like many, am out there for some R&R whether it be a charter or a fun boyz trip. Do you really want to get into with every one who has missing ethics? Not particularily, with friends, family or guests around, and you should'nt have to, pretty much just common sense for most abuse it lose it comes to mind. It would sure be nice in a perfect world to see DFO on the water educating proper methods of fish release and ID rather waiting at the ramp for the boats to hit the trailers. Chris is right, it is disgusting some of the antics going on, this year rings the bell as a real winner so far!

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All I say is that in the least.......very least..... if you must cut right across my path please pick up the speed and do so quickly. I have on ocassion decided I realy needed to act on a hunch and double around for a second pass over a school I have just marked. I will always establish eye to eye contact with the boat I am about to shock by my manouvre. I move very quickly and get it done. The idea is that nothing about his path was ever affected. I hate when some dumba@#$ pretends he doesn't see me. Veers really slowly and squeeses me into another boat. Thats a no no!
 
Tom when the fist time the RCAS were introduced there was guy fishing in it at sooke bluffs i personally went in there ad told him your not allowed to fish in here!!! his response was its ok im in 80 ft of water theres not alot of cod at that depth I even went to the truble of taking out the map and showing him that you are indeed in way to far "nope im not" he said so you see its ignorance. he was there for one reason to poach he was in there for about a wek told dfo and they even knew he was there as they could see him from the bluffs I even ofered to take dfo on my boat to go and get the guy!!!! nope they didnt give one s@#t, and you wonder why we dislike our fishery officers.

Its one thing to make a mistake with identifing fish but to blantantlly go out of ones way to poach that what pisses me off the most.

just again yesterday guy came in with his "limit" of pinks I saw coho jack spring and a sockeye in his catch but he still thinks there pinks "look at the spots on the tail" he tells me YES but look at that black mouth and teeth!!

AAAAAAHHHHH morons!!


Wolf


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It must be camera time. Seems the authorities respond best to youtube evidence. Must have learned it from the "news"papers, always wanting the legwork done for them.

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We saw a guy get boarded by the DFO last month out at Cree, and they took what must have been a wild coho. They made him wait around for about 20 minutes while they wrote out his fine. They kept fishing after that. Any idea what the fines are? Maybe if they were well known and significant that might help.
 
I wish i was out every day Smiley[:p]The job with the pension thing gets it the way sometimes:D

You see a bit of misshandling, however on a good note, there are more knotless C&R nets on the water these days, Jack and i use them with good results. One thing to remember, is that larger wild Northern Coho will exhaust themselves in the fight and require some recovery time in a c&r net rather than just flicking them off with the gaff. The ones we move from the counting fence often require time to recover from the shock or they will just sit belly up open to predation. Some just don't make it period, especially when they shoot through a yammy HT prop and get rotatilled, happened last week to me[xx(]
I had a few boats trolling for pinks, run right tight to my Scottsman while anchored at East Race in the 2.0 ebb for hali a few days back. They had no clue and ran for the rods, double header whoo hoo! They snapped off the gear came up with barbs not pinched in my anchor line. One was a big 6/0 + siwash and the other was a tandom setup from a squirt. All i got was the hooks, no flashers or balls, to bad[:0]

Race rocks will get on the horn on 68 and then 16 and tell guys to get out of the RCA, It's great, writes down the regi and all if they don't get out.

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Idiots on the water.

A few years back, I was fishing at Ferrer Point. It had been foggy, but it was breaking and visibility was a good 100 yards or so. I looked to my Port side and there was a small cruiser running almost parallel to me but closing the distance. An obvious collision course if nothing changed. I kept an eye on him and held my course. At one point he comes out on the back deck and is yelling something in my direction, so I head out on deck.

"I thought you were going to hit me!" he yells. [:0] Idiot. I have the right of way and he's trying to force me to change and hit the shoreline to my right.

"See that round thing in front of you?" I ask. "Turn it to the left!"



I was guiding for a local lodge one year. We had a number of small boats and were fishing the lighthouse on Nootka Island. One day, three new boats showed up. No markings on the boats whatsoever. No names, no registration numbers. Nothing. They were brand new cruisers, about 26'-28', crewed by a bunch of young yahoos.

They entertained themselves by firing paintballs at each other, occasionally hitting other boats. Then they started shooting bottle rockets at each other. Nice. Exploding bottle rockets in the fishing grounds.

A few of our guides had words with the yahoos. So did my guests. At one point they were exchanging rather heated words with one of the other guides. They looked down from their big cruiser to the little 16' open boat and said "Get a bigger boat."

OK, we can do that! :D

The guide radioed back to the lodge and described the situation. A few minutes later, the lodge owner comes out in a big aluminum work boat and asks the guide to point out the boats. Within 10 minutes, he had cut them out of the pack and sent them running for home!

Luckily, he didn't know that the green splot on the rear window was a painball. Otherwise he probably would have done an impression of the Japanese destroyer in PT109 and cut their boat in two.

We never did see the yahoos again. :)


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I too must agree with the problem of people not being able to identify the type of salmon they are catching. Just talking to people off the water who fish and when the subject of how to tell one salmon from the other comes up most of them are wrong. I think it is that they don't know how to tell one from the other but figure it must be a pink... it has spots on its tale type thing..
drad2k4 had the best idea so far and that was to take a little test when you buy your salmon tag. Identify all the species correctly and they will sell you a tag. Its not hard to tell what type of salmon it is with just a few rules and getting people to learn them would help greatly in my opinion..... Steve.

And remember....Keep your tip up!!!
 
I took a trip this weekend up to Lilloet and camped. I met an older lady (60's)that lived alone with her two kids in a small home out in the mountains. She was First Nations. She told me how she goes down to the river with the band and catches her alotment of salmon and cures it on the beach. They have several different ways and that fish she catches carries her through the long winters.
What I realized is that the sockeye we are catching/releasing are the food that she depends on. Those fish fight all the way up the fraser. It gave me a humbling apreciation for the First Nations and how our fishing habits affect them. If we continue to be a part of the whole problem - it's doesn't just mean we don't get to brag that we caught fish... it means a loss of sustenance for a culture.
 
I'm clearly the weekend warrior, although I may get out 3-4 times on weekday evenings... I use barbless singles, but don't have to. No matter what, there are no salmon jumping on my lines (1x5years). I catch hundreds of fish before I can get one keeper, so barbless makes a lot of sense for me. I never net, don't carry one. When I need the help, a lip-grip works just fine. I've only needed to clip my hook off once in 5 years, but I've caught a few fish with hooks dangling out their butt, mono out their mouth.

See a problem?.. Cellphone, video, details, call TV or the newspaper. Humiliation is nuclear fallout for gov departments. (But, you also risk those puffy blonde zipperheads like PETA coming down around your ears, and those perennial media-hog, photo-op pretty people Greenpeace spiking your boats.. you know those guys, gotta raise donations for their 6-figure salaries.)

When I go guided on boats, my guides (except 2) have always been good except with the rockfish & doggies. I know, those are hard to deal with. But one allowed a wild coho with a different group the week before because it was 22#.. lodge record..???. Not much of a record if it's not legal, in my opinion.

You guys are way over my calibre of fishing. Being shorebound, I've only once caught a salmon, chinook, took a run for it at my feet and smack into the downriggers of the guy who was watching me 30' off shore. He saw the fish, pointed at his cables, heard me yelling stop... waved.. b'bye & laughed. Nice smaller Trophy boat though. Fatherless Oediupus. I've only got 200'X50' ahead of me to fish in the only accessible spot with depth, & he laughs at cutting off my first shore-caught salmon in the salt in 5 years...

I catch a few in the Stamp/Somass & watched the rock-tossing, paddle-smacking & flossing... experienced anglers all. The socks end up in a vest pocket, hard to see, chinooks in the bag... Report...four hours later "The guy in the vest with a brown rod on some gravel beach!!" Tough to monitor.

I see a lot of poaching on the breakwater. I don't care less about race, creed, colour, gender or size, but the folks who speak english & the natives play by the rules, from what I see. Poaching's pretty much non-stop and mostly by those whose first language is not english. The pride on some 60 year old face at catching a 3" rockfish going into the bucket is priceless. A lot of it is at night & DFO, government employees after all, have this Ottawa answering machine you spend $10 in quarters to finally get to the spot you can leave a message... Calling on the next 'business' day...They ask did you get their license plate ###???

OK, they don't have a clue what a breakwater is, assuming they could find Victoria on the map.

In any other spot it's a very rare thing for me to see another angler, but they leave behind fair amounts of evidence, most not from anglers, but enough of it obviously is. I'm pretty sure their parents never taught them respect for their environs. And, honestly, that's why on the boats some are so determined to be ignorant floppy-rectums about their right to kill a fish... Nobody'll miss just these couple, right? Their parents led by example, spoiled the little dog-plops, or gave them time-outs, never consequences. Too many lawyers can get them off for a couple c-notes... No big deal.

DFO, being government and government being what they are, is funded from the euphemistic General Revenues. Essentially all fees & taxes go into three pots, four in our area: Fed pot, Prov pot, City pot and CRD pot. Regardless the political hissing, spitting and puffery, imagine where the priorities are for all that money, regardless its' source & theoretical allocation... First those lovely indexed pensions, expense accounts and pretty handsome salaries & benefits. What's left goes to media spinners, consultants & save the banks campaigns and the far too many splinter-interest mini-empires government is so adept at creating, so they can justify further tax-increases and new fees, and continue their bloating methane-filled balloon of self-importance and high regard for themselves.

No matter

This leaves poaching and its' management way, way down the list...

Unless you want to risk getting the media on board. Truly, humiliation is the only motivator, but at what price to your sport? Whether large corporations or any size of government. The only true concern is the bible of CYA... Which is why there's no money to pull DFO away from their emails & computers, out doing what they ought to be doing anyway.

(imagine that this is a joke: Island Outfitters Elk Lake fishing derby... DFO is out there for their 1 & only day on Elk, along with the RCMP, checking for licenses... Dyathink?, anyone in a derby would be WITHOUT a license???... Think, Homer, can you say Photo-op?, performance review Tick-A-Box?)

Video cellphone, I liked the suggestion you get on your radio & maybe even a bullhorn to do your own humilating of the offensive anglers. At the least, at the launch area cutting tables, there could be handout pamphlets with good quality pictures for those who cannot understand the words 'black gums' or 'spots' or 'under'. Why not have a PA system so you can just say... "Hey Look at this guy with the MissSwiss boat & the Yukon" He's a poacher, brains of a slug!" Humiliation works pretty much for individuals too.

You folks are all correct. You're right, they are abusers of the system put in place for the fish, and the enjoyment for all.

.. But that's just one example of how they lead their lives. Imagine hiring them to fix your house? They are the ones who will cheat you by using substandard effort or poor quality parts. If they'll cheat at fishing, they'll cheat on everything. Imagine if they are your investment advisor, or banker, plumber or electrician. Ask them for their business card, take a picture of the logo on their truck, because for sure, it's a company truck, being written-off while in use for pleasure.

Post the pictures in a rogue's gallery of people you cannot trust. Send copies to the Better Business Bureau. These are dishonest cheats. Humiliation was most effective a few hundred years ago when people were put in stocks down at the town square... Until now, with the internet and story-hungry media.

Your pictures, captioned: Dishonest Cheating Poachers! You cannot trust his company and his work! If he cheats here, what will he do to you?, are the 2009 equivalent of the stocks.

The idea's enough to make me want to buy a boat & join you out there.

Government allegedly works for society. When society overwhelms big government's ability to serve society, it falls to you, together, to represent yourselves, and create solutions.

Cheers!
 
quote:Originally posted by Sushihunter

Idiots on the water.

A few years back, I was fishing at Ferrer Point. It had been foggy, but it was breaking and visibility was a good 100 yards or so. I looked to my Port side and there was a small cruiser running almost parallel to me but closing the distance. An obvious collision course if nothing changed. I kept an eye on him and held my course. At one point he comes out on the back deck and is yelling something in my direction, so I head out on deck.

"I thought you were going to hit me!" he yells. [:0] Idiot. I have the right of way and he's trying to force me to change and hit the shoreline to my right.

"See that round thing in front of you?" I ask. "Turn it to the left!"



I was guiding for a local lodge one year. We had a number of small boats and were fishing the lighthouse on Nootka Island. One day, three new boats showed up. No markings on the boats whatsoever. No names, no registration numbers. Nothing. They were brand new cruisers, about 26'-28', crewed by a bunch of young yahoos.

They entertained themselves by firing paintballs at each other, occasionally hitting other boats. Then they started shooting bottle rockets at each other. Nice. Exploding bottle rockets in the fishing grounds.

A few of our guides had words with the yahoos. So did my guests. At one point they were exchanging rather heated words with one of the other guides. They looked down from their big cruiser to the little 16' open boat and said "Get a bigger boat."

OK, we can do that! :D

The guide radioed back to the lodge and described the situation. A few minutes later, the lodge owner comes out in a big aluminum work boat and asks the guide to point out the boats. Within 10 minutes, he had cut them out of the pack and sent them running for home!

Luckily, he didn't know that the green splot on the rear window was a painball. Otherwise he probably would have done an impression of the Japanese destroyer in PT109 and cut their boat in two.

We never did see the yahoos again. :)


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Too funny Jim I believe I was there during that time....if I'm not mistaken around Aug 5-10 of 2005. It was the "s**t show crew" from Victoria. I won't get any more specific than that but they also sawed us off from a hog 30+# in the Juan de Fuca Derby at Sheringham this year...pissed and paying not attention/respect. I remember the paitball, fireworks and the big aluminum work boat running around them.

Fishing was sure hot though right along the beach that whole week.
 
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