wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Not sure how far back your memory goes, WMY. Remember how the sea lice debate started?
was it similar to the leaded gasoline, smoking and climate change?
Not sure how far back your memory goes, WMY. Remember how the sea lice debate started?
Agent. Can you address just 2 simple issues that I brought up earlier.
1. Rockfish can not carry prv.
2 After years of being corrected by myself and others are you going to continue to be dishonest ect.and purposefully misuse the the term disease in place of the term virus?
Thought I read it somewhere as factual information but guess was not.
Did they not link it to causing jaundice in farmed chinook?
Thank you Darren for being a stand up guy here.Ken,
Have a read through your post. You speak to not grouping Canadians into individual groups and then you proceed to group the resource sectors together and all the people in the so-called green movement together.
I think you are not being genuine to imply that the resource sector hasn't had an impact on Salmon populations. One very simple example from the logging industry of this is the log booms that have historically been in estuaries along the coast. These have caused damage to eelgrass and other estuary habitats grasses etc. Smolts then have nowhere to hide/be protected and are either picked of easy by pinnipeds or birds etc. Similar things can be said about the mining industry.
Personally, I don't think these industries should be banned or shut down. That being said, they should be regulated in such a way that environmental protections are put ahead of economics. If this makes me a terrible green brainwashed whatever you want to call me then fine.
For the record, I know none of the posters you mentioned above and my username has my full name in it. Look me up, we can go for a beer. I am a fair conversationalist!
Cheers,
Darren
Ha! Well-plated! or maybe like SNC Lavalin?was it similar to the leaded gasoline, smoking and climate change?
associated?
"Medical Definition of associate. (Entry 1 of 3) transitive verb. 1 : to join or connect (things) together. 2 : to bring together in a relationship infectious disease associated with a rise in body temperature."
"In British Columbia, Canada, the dominant farmed species is Atlantic salmon, whereas chinook ((Oncorhynchus tshawytscha (Walbaum, 1792)) and coho salmon, both endemic species, currently make up approximately 3% of farmed biomass. A disease characterized by jaundice and anemia, also called jaundice syndrome, has caused low level mortality of farmed chinook salmon for several years (Garver et al. 2016), and as observed in Japan, Chile, and Norway, the disease is associated with PRV (Miller et al. 2017). In BC, however, only a single strain of PRV, PRV-1, has been observed. This is the same strain that causes HSMI in Atlantic salmon."
only orphans are the studies that need funding
Thank you Darren for being a stand up guy here.
I to0 believe any industry should be monitored to ensure they are not creating extensive environmental damage. In this case of collapsed coastal salmon populations I believe there is a far greater force restricting salmon productivity than any ff, logging or mines. It is the environmental chemistry. This is why even in areas of the coast where non of the said industries are present the salmon have collapsed too. If you cross reference salmon productivity information with pristine areas or watersheds without industries there is a lot of enlightening information to acknowledge. I have posted information and videos over the last few years to share the reality of acidified streams where algae species has changed, dead salmon do not decompose and invertebrates have been wiped out but nobody cares. It seems that there just has to be blame directed at someone or some industry. Just the Canadian way I guess!
It am a person who has spent a lifetime in the field watching the ecology get washed out of the streams during high acidic input events. I too once believed logging, mining, ff's and overfishing had been the culprit in reduced fish populations because that is what all the other people believed. As I grew older and accumulated more field experience to cross reference with I started to realize something far different going on. Something that continues to be ignored is the changing chemistry water source which falls from the sky. In the mid 1990's the rain pH was averaging in the mid "4's" and often dipped into the mid "3's". Now anyone who puts the effort to learn about aquatic ecology and how pH effects life there in will learn how damaging that acidic water was. It IS a match to everything I have watched change within B.C. streams. To conclude ff's are having such a damaging effect on natural salmon productivity without assuring that the streams ecology has been in place is a bling assumption and incomplete science. This "precautionary" approach which is now also used to regulate sport fishing is unjustly applied and lacks true integrity. So to see this continued solicited attack on ff's while the basics of water chemistry and ecology in the natural setting are ignored is annoying.
I am speaking out so that others who might be influenced by this repetitive display of anti ff propaganda have a chance to learn of the ignored science that is truly happening in the real world.
Darren, give me a call anytime 250-720-5118. If you have an open mind and like to learn new stuff I would be happy to share some of the enlightening info with you. It might even give you some positive feelings for the future like it has me!!
https://jonaa.org/content/2019/03/16/the-simple-truth-cy8xxMy understanding of the dip in pH in the ocean is due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere which ends up being dissolved in the Ocean. If that is the case and the true cause of the Salmon population decline should we not be focused on reducing our CO2 output then?
I personally think there are lots of factors that have caused the decline. Overfishing, habitat destruction, Climate Change/Global Warming, Fish Farming, Ecosystem imbalances (Seal populations etc) and some have more of a significant impact than others. It is very difficult to isolate and quantify the impacts of each factor.
My understanding of the dip in pH in the ocean is due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere which ends up being dissolved in the Ocean. If that is the case and the true cause of the Salmon population decline should we not be focused on reducing our CO2 output then?
I personally think there are lots of factors that have caused the decline. Overfishing, habitat destruction, Climate Change/Global Warming, Fish Farming, Ecosystem imbalances (Seal populations etc) and some have more of a significant impact than others. It is very difficult to isolate and quantify the impacts of each factor.
Well that advertisement doesn't explain **** it is designed to sell the idea of man caused co2 acidifying the oceans. It is false information and the proof is in front of anybody who tests the water and co2 levels themselves. AA do you test the co2 or water your self???
Can you please share with me a scientific report rather than just an advertisement.Interesting perspective, FM. Speaking of accountability - Maybe you wouldn't mind sharing the results of your own marine studies refuting the available science?
Interesting perspective, FM. Speaking of accountability - Maybe you wouldn't mind sharing the results of your own marine studies refuting the available science?
I did just supply you with data. The data of lake alkalinity on the rise. I gave you data of rain pH on the rise. Why don't you explain how the ocean could be acidifying but not the freshwaters? Does that information only become credible if presented by Watershed watch, Suzuki foundation or some other engo organization that has their hands out for donations???.That's an advertisement, FM. Thanks for admitting you have no data. Think I'll stick w the published science. Back to PRv...