Fish Farm trouble in BC.
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GLG
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I understand that you may not know the history of what FN want in that area. I can tell you this fight has been going on for years and frankly it's frustrating to watch how industry has acted up there. They have support from Canadian FN leadership.
http://www.canada.com/news/local+ne...port+occupiers+fish+farms/14491289/story.html
As reported in True to their visions: An account of 10 successful Aboriginal businesses, a 2009 Conference Board of Canada report:
Today, Klemtu community members are happier and healthier, and have one of the biggest retention rates of all coastal bands. Ben Robinson, General Manager, Kitasoo Seafoods, said that this is largely due to the greater number of job opportunities created by businesses such as Kitasoo Aqua Farms and Kitasoo Seafoods in the community. They employ approximately 60 people, who are paid about $2,500 monthly. This has inspired others to work. Today, almost 60 per cent of community members are employed. And they have more diverse job opportunities. In addition to the many other service-level jobs with the band office, store, school, and public works, they can work for the seafood plant, the salmon farm, the harvest and transport vessel, or newly developed businesses in tourism and forestry.”
Today, Klemtu community members are happier and healthier, and have one of the biggest retention rates of all coastal bands. Ben Robinson, General Manager, Kitasoo Seafoods, said that this is largely due to the greater number of job opportunities created by businesses such as Kitasoo Aqua Farms and Kitasoo Seafoods in the community. They employ approximately 60 people, who are paid about $2,500 monthly. This has inspired others to work. Today, almost 60 per cent of community members are employed. And they have more diverse job opportunities. In addition to the many other service-level jobs with the band office, store, school, and public works, they can work for the seafood plant, the salmon farm, the harvest and transport vessel, or newly developed businesses in tourism and forestry.”
bigdogeh
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The science and environmental impacts over the last 30 or more years shows more than a negligible effect.
You come across like the guy who sold beads and trinkets in exchange for beaver pelts, other furs, and land years ago... and told the first nations it was a fair trade. Problem is, the First Nations have become more educated and powerful.
I don't see the majority of First Nations wanting anything to do with fish farms in their territories. For you to try to make it seem like the first nations are OK with fish farms shows you are trying to skew the facts to suit your agenda. Do you believe the majority of first nations are OK with open net pen fish farms? Do you have the articles that show that? Do you believe in a democracy? If most first nations wanted the fish farms removed from their territories would you support them? The large majority of the articles and the large amount of demonstrations and occupations show me they want them gone... now. They don't believe the fish farms are helping their wild runs. but what do they know... they've only been here thousands of years.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...pport-of-b-c-salmon-farm-occupation-1.4279850
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-revoke-salmon-farm-licences/article36098700/
Chief Willie Moon was among the many leaders who spoke at the rally. He says frustrations have mounted as repeated calls directed at the provincial and federal governments to revoke fish farm licensing in traditional Musgamagw Dzawada'enuxw territory have gone unheard.
Sto:lo elder Eddie Gardner says the spread of sea lice and breaches in farm nets are among the major concerns. (Jon Hernandez/CBC)
"We've demonstrated peacefully for over 30 years, and we're occupying now," he said. "It's unlimited as to what we will do to get those fish farms out of our territory."
Commercial fisheries are guided by limits and allotments. As are sports fisheries. It's called regulations. It's up to government to decide what those are and enforce them. Fish farms are also regulated but when you have the fox guarding the henhouse it doesn't work out all that well. DFO shouldn't be in charge of regulating and at the same time promoting farmed open net pen atlantic salmon. Such an obvious conflict of interest.
Besides, if we don't have any salmon in the future due to disease and parasite transmission from these fish farms arms we won't have to worry about what the price of wild pacific salmon is as their won't be any. Pretty convenient for those selling farmed fish as they won't have any competitors. Not so great for the wild salmon.
Umm, from a peer reviewed scientific study in a scientific journal?
misinformation? you mean like the kind Vivian Krause as well as yourself try to spread? Maybe you don't care for your mother in law but I wouldn't serve mine open net pen atlantic salmon.
I always find you can learn a lot about what other people are thinking from the comment sections. Interestingly enough it seems most comments show people aren't happy with the open net pen industry. If you open this video up in youtube you can read the comments.
Had a look at this and yes there are also a few articles in national geographic showing the harm fish farms are having on our wild stocks...
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080212-salmon-lice_2.html
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0616_030616_farmsalmon_2.html
There was also one there about closed containment, the future of fish farming. This is where these fish farm companies should be making every effort to transition their billions of dollars of profits they've collected over the years at the expense of our wild salmon and their environment. imo.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150607-salmon-aquaculture-canada-fish-farm-food-world/
a peer reviewed article is total lies? I'd expect more from you since apparently you're a scientist. Nothing better than former fish farmer Vivian Krauses hear-say that even she says she can't be held responsible for what she says? You can publish a rebuttal to the study if you don't agree with it. Isn't that what scientists do? rather than rely on a Vivian Krause paper that even her working colleagues in the oil field industry don't believe some of the stuff she comes up with.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
and again (not sure how many times we've had to state this) , we don't want to shut down the fish farms. We want them to transition onto land into closed containment systems. An invasive species in diseased and virus ridden states, kept in such confined quarters in the millions of tons , have no business being in our waters along the migration paths of our wild salmon and smolts where pathogen transmission can occur. And yes, we do care about our wild salmon. This (closed containment, RAS) would address almost every negative issue the FF'ers face... Some progressive companies have seen the writing on the wall and are making the right choice.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/...d-350-million-land-based-salmon-farm-in-miami
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bigdogeh
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just on the wrong side of the debate...
GLG
Well-Known Member
That maybe fine for them up near Prince Rupert but for the Broughton Archipelago FN they are not fine with this industry. In fact they want them gone so unless you're saying that you know what's best for them then your point is mute.
added..... so i gave it some thought and maybe you're trying to offer a path forward like what they are doing up there. Is that what you are getting at?
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fogged in
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Klemtu community
Kitasoo Seafoods process farm salmon from the six sites in Kitasoo/Xai’xaisterritory
These first nations people occupy a coastal area in central B.C. north of Vancouver Island
Are you suggesting that the Kitiasoo fairly represent the majority opinion of First Nations?
We all know no that some First Nation people are employed by Fish Farms and do not appose them, however clearly a larger number are apposed to Fish Farms in their territory.
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wildmanyeah
Crew Member
What is striking is not so much the lazy pack journalism, it’s the events that are not covered. A few recent examples:
• Marine Harvest paid the Heiltsuk First Nation for community support and employment training, and two days later Heiltsuk announced, on Twitter, it is terminating a hatchery agreement that took years to negotiate.
• Another long-time aquaculture operator, Cermaq, was invaded Dec. 2 by protesters who dived into a pen of adult salmon and grabbed some to hold up for fundraising visuals, claiming they were tainted by a diesel spill.
What is treated as news? A weeks-old “plastic bag spill” from a “fish farm” that is actually one of the most successful chinook salmon hatcheries on the West Coast.
What is not reported is that this hatchery has tripled the chinook smolt survival rate, providing more for chinook sports fishing and the primary diet of endangered orcas.
https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/opinion/b-c-views-untold-stories-of-b-c-salmon-farms/
• Marine Harvest paid the Heiltsuk First Nation for community support and employment training, and two days later Heiltsuk announced, on Twitter, it is terminating a hatchery agreement that took years to negotiate.
• Another long-time aquaculture operator, Cermaq, was invaded Dec. 2 by protesters who dived into a pen of adult salmon and grabbed some to hold up for fundraising visuals, claiming they were tainted by a diesel spill.
What is treated as news? A weeks-old “plastic bag spill” from a “fish farm” that is actually one of the most successful chinook salmon hatcheries on the West Coast.
What is not reported is that this hatchery has tripled the chinook smolt survival rate, providing more for chinook sports fishing and the primary diet of endangered orcas.
https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/opinion/b-c-views-untold-stories-of-b-c-salmon-farms/
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
More personal attacks bigdogeh?
bigdogeh
Well-Known Member
nope, just the truth as I see it.
Some people don't get along with their mother in laws. I happen to get along with mine. Why I used the term "maybe" I'm sure many people that know about farmed atlantic salmon and the problems they cause along our coast would not serve it to their families in good conscience.
fogged in
Well-Known Member
Quoting Tom Fletcher as a credible unbiased source is a stretch.
He is a freelancer who sells his stories to a small group of community newspapers and is the same guy who in has in the past claimed "false news" when faced by Fish Farm news he disagrees with.
And now claiming "the lazy pack journalism"
Is he by chance referring to the excellent unbiased stories written by Times Colonist journalist Amy Smart earlier this month.
You will certainly get a one sided message from Tom.
Thank you Bigdog, GLG, AA, Fogged In and others who advocate so passionately for our Wild Salmon and provide all the awesome links to Peer Reviewed Science and other information on Sea Lice infestions, Viruses, Diseases and Pollution that the Open net cage Fish Farms are inflicting on the Wild Salmon. The countless hours you guys put in to educate us is much appreciated. Over the last few months I really feel the tide has turned and the push to get these farms off the water and onto land is finally going to happen. Just hope it's not too late.The science and environmental impacts over the last 30 or more years shows more than a negligible effect.
You come across like the guy who sold beads and trinkets in exchange for beaver pelts, other furs, and land years ago... and told the first nations it was a fair trade. Problem is, the First Nations have become more educated and powerful.
I don't see the majority of First Nations wanting anything to do with fish farms in their territories. For you to try to make it seem like the first nations are OK with fish farms shows you are trying to skew the facts to suit your agenda. Do you believe the majority of first nations are OK with open net pen fish farms? Do you have the articles that show that? Do you believe in a democracy? If most first nations wanted the fish farms removed from their territories would you support them? The large majority of the articles and the large amount of demonstrations and occupations show me they want them gone... now. They don't believe the fish farms are helping their wild runs. but what do they know... they've only been here thousands of years.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...pport-of-b-c-salmon-farm-occupation-1.4279850
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-revoke-salmon-farm-licences/article36098700/
Chief Willie Moon was among the many leaders who spoke at the rally. He says frustrations have mounted as repeated calls directed at the provincial and federal governments to revoke fish farm licensing in traditional Musgamagw Dzawada'enuxw territory have gone unheard.
Sto:lo elder Eddie Gardner says the spread of sea lice and breaches in farm nets are among the major concerns. (Jon Hernandez/CBC)
"We've demonstrated peacefully for over 30 years, and we're occupying now," he said. "It's unlimited as to what we will do to get those fish farms out of our territory."
Commercial fisheries are guided by limits and allotments. As are sports fisheries. It's called regulations. It's up to government to decide what those are and enforce them. Fish farms are also regulated but when you have the fox guarding the henhouse it doesn't work out all that well. DFO shouldn't be in charge of regulating and at the same time promoting farmed open net pen atlantic salmon. Such an obvious conflict of interest.
Besides, if we don't have any salmon in the future due to disease and parasite transmission from these fish farms arms we won't have to worry about what the price of wild pacific salmon is as their won't be any. Pretty convenient for those selling farmed fish as they won't have any competitors. Not so great for the wild salmon.
Umm, from a peer reviewed scientific study in a scientific journal?
misinformation? you mean like the kind Vivian Krause as well as yourself try to spread? Maybe you don't care for your mother in law but I wouldn't serve mine open net pen atlantic salmon.
I always find you can learn a lot about what other people are thinking from the comment sections. Interestingly enough it seems most comments show people aren't happy with the open net pen industry.
Had a look at this and yes there are also a few articles in national geographic showing the harm fish farms are having on our wild stocks...
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080212-salmon-lice_2.html
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0616_030616_farmsalmon_2.html
There was also one there about closed containment, the future of fish farming. This is where these fish farm companies should be making every effort to transition their billions of dollars of profits they've collected over the years at the expense of our wild salmon and their environment. imo.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150607-salmon-aquaculture-canada-fish-farm-food-world/
a peer reviewed article is total lies? I'd expect more from you since apparently you're a scientist. Nothing better than former fish farmer Vivian Krauses hear-say that even she says she can't be held responsible for what she says? You can publish a rebuttal to the study if you don't agree with it. Isn't that what scientists do? rather than rely on a Vivian Krause paper that even her working colleagues in the oil field industry don't believe some of the stuff she comes up with.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
and again (not sure how many times we've had to state this) , we don't want to shut down the fish farms. We want them to transition onto land into closed containment systems. An invasive species in diseased and virus ridden states, kept in such confined quarters in the millions of tons , have no business being in our waters along the migration paths of our wild salmon and smolts where pathogen transmission can occur. And yes, we do care about our wild salmon. This (closed containment, RAS) would address almost every negative issue the FF'ers face... Some progressive companies have seen the writing on the wall and are making the right choice.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/...d-350-million-land-based-salmon-farm-in-miami
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
I hate to break it to you but you need fish farms need to be a topic in an election platform In a federal election for any material change in the industry to happen.
Last time I checked we’re pretty far away from one of those. Your talking about killing a 1 billion dollar industry.
Where were fish farms in the last election? Don’t recall it being brought up in the tv debates...
Last time I checked we’re pretty far away from one of those. Your talking about killing a 1 billion dollar industry.
Where were fish farms in the last election? Don’t recall it being brought up in the tv debates...
The science and environmental impacts over the last 30 or more years shows more than a negligible effect.
You come across like the guy who sold beads and trinkets in exchange for beaver pelts, other furs, and land years ago... and told the first nations it was a fair trade. Problem is, the First Nations have become more educated and powerful.
I don't see the majority of First Nations wanting anything to do with fish farms in their territories. For you to try to make it seem like the first nations are OK with fish farms shows you are trying to skew the facts to suit your agenda. Do you believe the majority of first nations are OK with open net pen fish farms? Do you have the articles that show that? Do you believe in a democracy? If most first nations wanted the fish farms removed from their territories would you support them? The large majority of the articles and the large amount of demonstrations and occupations show me they want them gone... now. They don't believe the fish farms are helping their wild runs. but what do they know... they've only been here thousands of years.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...pport-of-b-c-salmon-farm-occupation-1.4279850
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-revoke-salmon-farm-licences/article36098700/
Chief Willie Moon was among the many leaders who spoke at the rally. He says frustrations have mounted as repeated calls directed at the provincial and federal governments to revoke fish farm licensing in traditional Musgamagw Dzawada'enuxw territory have gone unheard.
Sto:lo elder Eddie Gardner says the spread of sea lice and breaches in farm nets are among the major concerns. (Jon Hernandez/CBC)
"We've demonstrated peacefully for over 30 years, and we're occupying now," he said. "It's unlimited as to what we will do to get those fish farms out of our territory."
Commercial fisheries are guided by limits and allotments. As are sports fisheries. It's called regulations. It's up to government to decide what those are and enforce them. Fish farms are also regulated but when you have the fox guarding the henhouse it doesn't work out all that well. DFO shouldn't be in charge of regulating and at the same time promoting farmed open net pen atlantic salmon. Such an obvious conflict of interest.
Besides, if we don't have any salmon in the future due to disease and parasite transmission from these fish farms arms we won't have to worry about what the price of wild pacific salmon is as their won't be any. Pretty convenient for those selling farmed fish as they won't have any competitors. Not so great for the wild salmon.
Umm, from a peer reviewed scientific study in a scientific journal?
misinformation? you mean like the kind Vivian Krause as well as yourself try to spread? Maybe you don't care for your mother in law but I wouldn't serve mine open net pen atlantic salmon.
I always find you can learn a lot about what other people are thinking from the comment sections. Interestingly enough it seems most comments show people aren't happy with the open net pen industry.
Had a look at this and yes there are also a few articles in national geographic showing the harm fish farms are having on our wild stocks...
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080212-salmon-lice_2.html
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0616_030616_farmsalmon_2.html
There was also one there about closed containment, the future of fish farming. This is where these fish farm companies should be making every effort to transition their billions of dollars of profits they've collected over the years at the expense of our wild salmon and their environment. imo.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150607-salmon-aquaculture-canada-fish-farm-food-world/
a peer reviewed article is total lies? I'd expect more from you since apparently you're a scientist. Nothing better than former fish farmer Vivian Krauses hear-say that even she says she can't be held responsible for what she says? You can publish a rebuttal to the study if you don't agree with it. Isn't that what scientists do? rather than rely on a Vivian Krause paper that even her working colleagues in the oil field industry don't believe some of the stuff she comes up with.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
and again (not sure how many times we've had to state this) , we don't want to shut down the fish farms. We want them to transition onto land into closed containment systems. An invasive species in diseased and virus ridden states, kept in such confined quarters in the millions of tons , have no business being in our waters along the migration paths of our wild salmon and smolts where pathogen transmission can occur. And yes, we do care about our wild salmon. This (closed containment, RAS) would address almost every negative issue the FF'ers face... Some progressive companies have seen the writing on the wall and are making the right choice.
https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/...d-350-million-land-based-salmon-farm-in-miami
Well, seem like I have gotten under someones skin. So, to be clear I posted one snippet on a research paper authored by Vivian Krause. She seems to have all you Anti-FF'ers pretty riled up. Not so sure why unless some of the claims she has made in regards to the funding of the the anti-FF lobby are striking a chord of truth. But, as always Bigdoegh, I helped you out by providing two other papers for your review. I guess Harvard and Washington State are fools and not worthy on your great claim that farmed salmon is harmful etc. Oddly enough, the quote you provided was inadvertently truncated so let me help out for all to read:
Bigdoeghs quote:
" ... 2 to 10 times more concentration of toxic PCB's, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that build up in the flesh of the farmed salmon
(compared to wild) from their oily fish feed isn't all that good for you."
Here is the actual article you truncated:
"Though I’m chemophobic, I’m ready to declare the health concerns about farmed salmon too insignificant to fret about, or at least too close to fight about. Farmed salmon hold about 2 to 10 times the levels of PCBs, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that most wild salmon do, apparently because the rich meal they eat contains bits of oily fish in which these contaminants tend to concentrate. Yet the levels of those chemicals are still so low, as Harvard Medical School nutrition specialist George Blackburn, M.D., Ph.D., noted in a recent article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, “that it’s not going to cause harm.”
I don't know about you, but I am pretty sure you lost what was intended in the article you are quoting. What do you think? I remember a famous quote by Woody Harrelson in the movie Doc Hollywood, "I could have been a doctor too, if it wasn't for all that science stuff"
bigdogeh
Well-Known Member
Now that your taking my quotes from another thread to a different thread I guess I have to also reply to a different thread.
again,
"the fact you tried to mislead?" you sound like a lawyer now, lol.
I'd rather people read the whole article and decide for themselves. That's why the link is there. There was plenty damming in there besides the fact that farmed atlantic salmon contain 2 to 10 times the levels of PCBs, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that most wild salmon do, apparently because the rich meal they eat contains bits of oily fish in which these contaminants tend to concentrate.. The article also touched on the environmental impacts, etc of fish farming.
this was also in the article and I didn't mention it..
"Keep in mind, the generally higher levels of mercury often found in farmed salmon should swing the scale toward wild fish if you’re pregnant, nursing, young or particularly brain-protective. That aside, however, the tremendous omega-3 benefits—reduced heart attack risk, better immunological, neurological and even psychological health—easily outweigh the tenuous risks."
Also from the author in the same article:
"I’m increasingly convinced that the larger issue of farmed versus wild salmon poses a similar choice. The withering array of injuries that salmon farms inflict on wild salmon forces a sort of long-range consumer decision. This is not like deciding whether you want free-range versus conventional chicken for tonight’s dinner; that’s a decision with limited echo. To decide that you may as well eat farmed Atlantic tonight, however, is to decide, in a very real sense, that you may as well eat farmed salmon, and farmed salmon only, forever. You may feel differently. But that just doesn’t sit well with me. For now, anyway, I’ve eaten my last farmed salmon."
Besides I go by the scientific peer reviewed hites study to guide me about what is safe and what isn't when it comes to farmed salmon.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
again,
"the fact you tried to mislead?" you sound like a lawyer now, lol.
I'd rather people read the whole article and decide for themselves. That's why the link is there. There was plenty damming in there besides the fact that farmed atlantic salmon contain 2 to 10 times the levels of PCBs, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that most wild salmon do, apparently because the rich meal they eat contains bits of oily fish in which these contaminants tend to concentrate.. The article also touched on the environmental impacts, etc of fish farming.
this was also in the article and I didn't mention it..
"Keep in mind, the generally higher levels of mercury often found in farmed salmon should swing the scale toward wild fish if you’re pregnant, nursing, young or particularly brain-protective. That aside, however, the tremendous omega-3 benefits—reduced heart attack risk, better immunological, neurological and even psychological health—easily outweigh the tenuous risks."
Also from the author in the same article:
"I’m increasingly convinced that the larger issue of farmed versus wild salmon poses a similar choice. The withering array of injuries that salmon farms inflict on wild salmon forces a sort of long-range consumer decision. This is not like deciding whether you want free-range versus conventional chicken for tonight’s dinner; that’s a decision with limited echo. To decide that you may as well eat farmed Atlantic tonight, however, is to decide, in a very real sense, that you may as well eat farmed salmon, and farmed salmon only, forever. You may feel differently. But that just doesn’t sit well with me. For now, anyway, I’ve eaten my last farmed salmon."
Besides I go by the scientific peer reviewed hites study to guide me about what is safe and what isn't when it comes to farmed salmon.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
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bigdogeh
Well-Known Member
Thought this was an interesting comment from the chef in the video I posted earlier.
WildSalmonCove 3 years ago (edited)
Chef Marcus is a culinary thought leader whose philosophy is respected by millions of environmentally sensitive and health conscious seafood lovers. Although the comments here are heartfelt, it's
unfortunate that some of the people making them are misinformed. Just because we eat feedlot cattle doesn't mean we should make the same mistake with salmon. The reality is that the excess fat on farmed salmon is NOT good to consume, it's also the wrong type of Omega fat. If you kill all the baitfish to feed farmed salmon, what will the rest of the wild fish eat? If you feed farmed salmon soy which is high in estrogen, or ground chicken guts, what do you think it transfers to people who eat farmed salmon? The truth is, we don't know exactly what it does, but are you willing to take the risk with your kids? Less than 50 years ago we didn't consider smoking harmful, or drinking and driving. Thankfully we evolved. The salmon aquaculture industry was launched into open oceans before proper testing and procedures were recognized and regulated. Being an early adopter can sometimes be a good thing. No one would argue that being first to market is lucrative for fish farmers, lazy chefs, and greedy seafood processors who raise, cook, and sell farmed salmon. If they can convince you to eat it, fine, but at least they should tell you all the consequences. Jumping in prematurely before scientists understand all the consequences has proven harmful to the oceans and especially to wild salmon. Norway, where large scale salmon farming originated, and Chile, experienced catastrophic collapses of their fisheries specific to salmon farming. We don't want the same thing to happen in Alaska or Canada. Comparing wild to farmed salmon is like comparing heritage tomatoes to waxy varietals grown hydroponically in winter greenhouses using fossil fuels. About the only similarity is the name. If processors, grocers, and chefs are so proud to sell factory farmed salmon, why don't they label it more transparently on menus and shelves and quit riding on the history and back of wild? They don't do it because if you knew what you were eating and how it harms the environment you wouldn't buy it. It's that simple. BTW, if you want Omega-3, you can eat a wide variety of other foods that are cheaper and more accessible than salmon, like kale, sardines, hazelnuts, flax, beans, squash, olive oil, etc. The Omega-3 argument is something fish farmers cooked up to get naive people to take the bait. Fish On!
WildSalmonCove 3 years ago (edited)
Chef Marcus is a culinary thought leader whose philosophy is respected by millions of environmentally sensitive and health conscious seafood lovers. Although the comments here are heartfelt, it's
unfortunate that some of the people making them are misinformed. Just because we eat feedlot cattle doesn't mean we should make the same mistake with salmon. The reality is that the excess fat on farmed salmon is NOT good to consume, it's also the wrong type of Omega fat. If you kill all the baitfish to feed farmed salmon, what will the rest of the wild fish eat? If you feed farmed salmon soy which is high in estrogen, or ground chicken guts, what do you think it transfers to people who eat farmed salmon? The truth is, we don't know exactly what it does, but are you willing to take the risk with your kids? Less than 50 years ago we didn't consider smoking harmful, or drinking and driving. Thankfully we evolved. The salmon aquaculture industry was launched into open oceans before proper testing and procedures were recognized and regulated. Being an early adopter can sometimes be a good thing. No one would argue that being first to market is lucrative for fish farmers, lazy chefs, and greedy seafood processors who raise, cook, and sell farmed salmon. If they can convince you to eat it, fine, but at least they should tell you all the consequences. Jumping in prematurely before scientists understand all the consequences has proven harmful to the oceans and especially to wild salmon. Norway, where large scale salmon farming originated, and Chile, experienced catastrophic collapses of their fisheries specific to salmon farming. We don't want the same thing to happen in Alaska or Canada. Comparing wild to farmed salmon is like comparing heritage tomatoes to waxy varietals grown hydroponically in winter greenhouses using fossil fuels. About the only similarity is the name. If processors, grocers, and chefs are so proud to sell factory farmed salmon, why don't they label it more transparently on menus and shelves and quit riding on the history and back of wild? They don't do it because if you knew what you were eating and how it harms the environment you wouldn't buy it. It's that simple. BTW, if you want Omega-3, you can eat a wide variety of other foods that are cheaper and more accessible than salmon, like kale, sardines, hazelnuts, flax, beans, squash, olive oil, etc. The Omega-3 argument is something fish farmers cooked up to get naive people to take the bait. Fish On!
GLG
Well-Known Member
The FF's get their lease from the provincial government and yes it was brought up at the last election. So you see it can change.
fogged in
Well-Known Member
Thank you Terrin for your post.
Alexandra Morton has led this fight with her supporters and scientists who recognized the real threat Fish Farms present to our Wild Salmon from the very beginning. This battle is nowhere near over but much progress has been made!
It was only a few years ago when scientists were muzzled by our Government and forbidden to publish their studies on the subject allowing B.C. Fish Farms to expand at an alarming rate in a very short period of time!
Everyone REALLY should read this link as a reminder of how brutal and ruthless big business and Government can be.
https://www.desmog.ca/2013/07/04/cfia-s-pr-war-salmon-internationally-renowned-canadian-oie-research-lab-loses-battle
Dr. Frederick Kibenge and his Internationally recognized lab lost his accreditation due to Government and Fish Farm pressure not to have the ISAv recognized in B.C.
Dr. Gary Marty denies PRV and HSMI virus existed in B.C. Fish Farms for years and now admits he knew it did and does exists.
How shameful is that!
Make no mistake, this heavy handed approach continues and should our Government attempt to have Fish Farms removed it will no doubt result in litigation and a long and dirty battle!
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Unfortunately many - is the short answer, bones - that I strongly suspect you already know. The older the fish is and the more it is found around areas w pollution eating polluted prey (bioaccumulation) the worse it can be - one of the reasons the Southern Residents are having a tough time. If you eat lots of fish - and many of us do - then you would tend to pick the species w less of it in them - so wrt salmon - not farmed salmon.
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