fish are sentient and feel pain

John Ingram

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Are rocks sentient?
 
We are convinced that my outboard kicker is also sentient and feels emotional pain. Recently, it has been going through a particularly difficult period that is severely effecting its work performance. We have been working on its physical health with fuel supplements to relieve the carburetors' extreme constipation which has helped some, but it still seems to be listless and has loss interest in its primary activities which previously gave it great joy. We have been giving it lots of support and attention. We are reassuring it that we love it unconditionally and that a lot of kickers go through this. It may be depressed about the possibility of upcoming major carb. surgery. We are at a loss as to what next steps to take. We are concerned that it may be becoming addicted to fuel system cleaning additives, but it has a hard time getting itself started without them.
 
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I refuse to believe they feel pain as we do. Not saying they aren’t sensitive to touch absolutely they feel it, I’m sure they feel every vibration in the water but not pain. Let me take a hook and stick it in anyones lip and see how hard they pull against it. Anyone that has worked with horses knows what I am talking about. You have a raunchy horse and you want to do some work on it like trim the hooves you take a lip sinch onto the bottom lip and that animal doesn’t make a wrong move, straightens them right out. The pain over rides their ambition to act up. Same would happen to anyone of us if we had a hook stuck in our lip, you wouldn’t pull or fight back even the slightest.
 
I don’t know about pain but Kurt Kobain says “it’s ok to eat fish, they dont have any feelings” and Nirvana is way more pertinent to me and my life than yet another granola eater.
 
if the proposed rationale is that plants cant feel pain and fish do - maybe it's an inconvenient truth for the hypocritical veggie-pushers that plants also have consciousness and we shouldn't eat them using the same rationale:

 
if the proposed rationale is that plants cant feel pain and fish do - maybe it's an inconvenient truth for the hypocritical veggie-pushers that plants also have consciousness and we shouldn't eat them using the same rationale:

Love the scene in the move Notting Hill with an extreme vegetarian who will only eat fruit that has dropped from the tree and is therefore dead. When asked - so these carrots are?, she responds - yes, murdered.
 
Nothing new here and these stories have circulated on various sportfishing media for a decade or more. While studies based on painful stimuli show fish do experience extreme discomfort others argue the brain structure of fish (they lack a neocortex) and mammals differs so significantly that fish don't feel pain as we do nor can they suffer in the existential sense humans do, rather they experience nociception, the presence of harmful stumuli.

Do fish feel pain? Not as humans do.

Why fish do not feel pain.

Can fish really feel pain?
 
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