The early Sooke fish are thick and short. 21-22 pounds in Sooke often is ok to keep...just. Sucks that Sombrio is now the line to get out of the restricted waters. I guess I won't be burning as much fuel running up there. I know a couple of guys who will make the run up to Sombrio and make it a combo salmon and halibut dsay trip...if the water conditions allow it.
Emerging Issues for SVI Chinook Regulations
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Franko Manini
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Just as I predicted. DFO makes some concessions, gives FNs what they really wanted in the first place, while us sporties take it up the chute, and we are thankful for it!
The FNs never expected DFO to close the season for us. They knew that if they made an extreme request, the end result would fall very close to what they initially intended and we would feel we accomplished something.
Now THAT is lobbying my friends!
The FNs never expected DFO to close the season for us. They knew that if they made an extreme request, the end result would fall very close to what they initially intended and we would feel we accomplished something.
Now THAT is lobbying my friends!
This looks like the reg from last year:
http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=171866&ID=all
http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=171866&ID=all
wolf
Well-Known Member
WOW happy some are glad this is what we got!!!! total F**%%## shaft, How is anyone happy that one user group benefits from the loss to another user group ....??? I can tell you one thing if for instance it was involving other factors it would NEVER fly or roles reversed their would be hell to pay..
We have given 100% concessions for years now and for those of you who have been on here long enough KNOW I said this was going to happen 8 years ago and you all said no way.. so again ill say it ....ITS only going to get worse and worse now the area has expanded do you think its going to stop??? the have there teeth set into it now we are F&*%ED....!!!!!
Worse part is all the uncertainty has hurt so many people to shops, tackle companies, tourism, lodging the list is HUGE 10 years ago June used to be our busiest month now basically finished, and people are fine with it ....you have to LOOK at the big picture .
Wolf
We have given 100% concessions for years now and for those of you who have been on here long enough KNOW I said this was going to happen 8 years ago and you all said no way.. so again ill say it ....ITS only going to get worse and worse now the area has expanded do you think its going to stop??? the have there teeth set into it now we are F&*%ED....!!!!!
Worse part is all the uncertainty has hurt so many people to shops, tackle companies, tourism, lodging the list is HUGE 10 years ago June used to be our busiest month now basically finished, and people are fine with it ....you have to LOOK at the big picture .
Wolf
scott craven
Well-Known Member
I don't think that many people like the restrictions and I agree we are getting shafted.
I was concerned we may end up with a total closure, so what we got is better than that.
I was concerned we may end up with a total closure, so what we got is better than that.
Old Seadog
Active Member
I'm not very happy with new restrictions that just came into effect. Now they have taken over another area (20-4) and move the poor fisherman to the point of No return..... We try and Help; Tell them; Show them; but for what !!!!!.....I'm just a little Pissed Off right now. Last week they had there gill net opening on the Fraser for 24Hrs....I feel that once the fish get to the river, they should not be touched by anyone. Left to spawn in whatever water conditions there are. Mother Nature......
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
Someone might correct me but I think this was implemented for Cowichan river fish as they are stock of concern also. My feeling is the 62cm has something to do that. In winter and summer area 18 and some parts of sidney always have this size limit.
I repeat. .. This is crap.
Totally agree with wolf.
There is no going back. Next year the early slot will be Sidney to Sombrio with no changes to the river slaughter.
If we are going to protect the early run, we need to protect them all the way to the spawning grounds.
This is not about conservation. This is about politics.
Totally agree with wolf.
There is no going back. Next year the early slot will be Sidney to Sombrio with no changes to the river slaughter.
If we are going to protect the early run, we need to protect them all the way to the spawning grounds.
This is not about conservation. This is about politics.
Franko Manini
Well-Known Member
Like I said... The FNs got what they wanted and we sit back and thank our lucky stars that we didn't get a full closure. Then we convince ourselves that lobbying we did mattered.
One Canada.
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The Jackel
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Same ole **** just a different day
wolf
Well-Known Member
WELL when they sell it iff then its not really case in point is it!!!
I can tell you one thing IF we over here had the power to F%&K over a community like they have here in our township of sooke and others their would be hell to pay they would be screaming for ones head so stop being a jerk you once fought DFO to an extremist point now your on the other side ..... and you say conservation we have given 100% to that what have then done .....hmmm nothing just net net net and you think thats FAIR.......man talk about missing the point.......
WOLF and yes this whole thing pisses me off
I can tell you one thing IF we over here had the power to F%&K over a community like they have here in our township of sooke and others their would be hell to pay they would be screaming for ones head so stop being a jerk you once fought DFO to an extremist point now your on the other side ..... and you say conservation we have given 100% to that what have then done .....hmmm nothing just net net net and you think thats FAIR.......man talk about missing the point.......
WOLF and yes this whole thing pisses me off
If it was a matter of conservation then shut us all down. Mcneil to Renfrew. Right up the Fraser. People saying hatchery only in area 19/20 should talk to their local SFI/SFAB/SVIAC and learn the truth.
Storm...then why didn't DFO tell the FN that and take the possible closure off the table so that the damage that has occurred wouldn't have. Businesses have now lost thousands in revenue at a time which equates to Christmas for mall retail outlets. Summer business at a tackle store or marine supply dealer allows them to survive through the long winter sales dulldrums. DFO refused to take the closure option off the table and needlessly hurt many people lively hoods.
Precautionary in the current management scheme that DFO created and has worked under the past 4-5 years is zone 1, not closure. Under zone 1 restrictions which means no wild fish over 67cm (9 pounds) up until June 17th this year and then 85cm until July 15th keeps us away from the stocks of concern while still allowing just enough opportunity and interest to keep the fishery and businesses viable. Even under zone 2 when we are allowed 1 wild with no upper size restriction the area 19/20 fishery takes less than 2% of these fish.
Whole in the Water
Well-Known Member
Here is the latest update from SFI-BC that talks about the JDF Chinook issues. Many thanks to SFI-BC and their lobbying efforts, including the trip to Ottawa to meet with the new Fisheries Minister.
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SFI-BC Update June 20, 2016
We hope that you were able to enjoy the weekend whether it was for Father's Day, the Family Fishing Weekend or both. And, with summer proper just days away, we take this opportunity to update you on some of the issues the SFI team has been tracking.
Fisheries and Oceans Minister First up, we were surprised to hear of the sudden resignation of Fisheries Minister Tootoo the day following the Liberal Party annual convention in Winnipeg. As many know, Tootoo said that he was resigning from cabinet and the Liberal caucus (an unusual move) so that he could deal with personal issues. We wish Tootoo all the best in his recovery and hope to see him back in cabinet in the near future.
In a related move, the Prime Minister appointed Government House Leader Dominic LeBlanc as Fisheries Minister. LeBlanc an MP from Beausejour in New Brunswick, follows in the footsteps of his father Romeo, who served as Fisheries Minister under Pierre Trudeau. His father notably appointed the Pearse Commission which helped lead to establishment of the priority access policy for the recreational fishery.
Fraser River Chinook We should also update you on the department’s latest move on Fraser River chinook management and the effects on the recreational fishery in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, the approach waters and in the Fraser River itself. While the evidence is that the numbers of chinook are low, our considerable lobbying efforts have clearly had an impact. The threat of a salmon fishing closure in Juan De Fuca Strait during the 2016 season was properly averted. As a result, from June 18th to July 15th, anglers will be permitted to retain 2 unmarked chinook per day smaller than 85 cm and larger than 45 cm. Anglers may retain any marked, hatchery, chinook larger than 45 cm.
Despite ours and others efforts, however, DFO has decided without any consultation, to significantly expand the geographic scope of these regulations from previous years by including PFMA Area 20-4. This area extension now includes from Sherringham Point all the way out to Sombrio Point, a move that will have a significant negative effect on the Sooke guide and charter fishery.
While we are disappointed in this expansion, we will continue to work with the department to ensure that these moves are not imposed in future years unless fisheries managers can demonstrate that they are required for chinook conservation purposes.
Some of the circumstances around the challenges faced in making the Fraser River chinook decision are impacted by the quality and quantity of recreational catch information. It serves as a reminder of the importance of catch monitoring. Providing fisheries managers with quality catch data can provide opportunity, will help reduce management by the precautionary approach and provides a strong argument against detractors who may claim that our fisheries are not adequately monitored. Over a number of years and by the review of a number of test programs, DFO has determined that guide logbooks are a valuable component of recreational fisheries data and are working to increase their use particularly in areas where creel survey data is limited.
WCVI Guides - Samples and Log Books
This year there will be an effort on the West Coast of Vancouver Island to increase the number of samples taken and log book data submitted. The SFI will will be helping DFO to get the word out and to ensure that guides understand that they must contribute when requested.
The Recreational Vision (that the DFO, SFAB and the Province developed) outlined an approach in which the recreational sector takes on greater responsibility for documenting its catch. The guide log books and other angler based efforts to assist with counting our catch fall in step with these principles. Participation in catch data collection programs will ensure that regulation changes will be based on good information.
____________________________________________________________________________
SFI-BC Update June 20, 2016
We hope that you were able to enjoy the weekend whether it was for Father's Day, the Family Fishing Weekend or both. And, with summer proper just days away, we take this opportunity to update you on some of the issues the SFI team has been tracking.
Fisheries and Oceans Minister First up, we were surprised to hear of the sudden resignation of Fisheries Minister Tootoo the day following the Liberal Party annual convention in Winnipeg. As many know, Tootoo said that he was resigning from cabinet and the Liberal caucus (an unusual move) so that he could deal with personal issues. We wish Tootoo all the best in his recovery and hope to see him back in cabinet in the near future.
In a related move, the Prime Minister appointed Government House Leader Dominic LeBlanc as Fisheries Minister. LeBlanc an MP from Beausejour in New Brunswick, follows in the footsteps of his father Romeo, who served as Fisheries Minister under Pierre Trudeau. His father notably appointed the Pearse Commission which helped lead to establishment of the priority access policy for the recreational fishery.
Fraser River Chinook We should also update you on the department’s latest move on Fraser River chinook management and the effects on the recreational fishery in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, the approach waters and in the Fraser River itself. While the evidence is that the numbers of chinook are low, our considerable lobbying efforts have clearly had an impact. The threat of a salmon fishing closure in Juan De Fuca Strait during the 2016 season was properly averted. As a result, from June 18th to July 15th, anglers will be permitted to retain 2 unmarked chinook per day smaller than 85 cm and larger than 45 cm. Anglers may retain any marked, hatchery, chinook larger than 45 cm.
Despite ours and others efforts, however, DFO has decided without any consultation, to significantly expand the geographic scope of these regulations from previous years by including PFMA Area 20-4. This area extension now includes from Sherringham Point all the way out to Sombrio Point, a move that will have a significant negative effect on the Sooke guide and charter fishery.
While we are disappointed in this expansion, we will continue to work with the department to ensure that these moves are not imposed in future years unless fisheries managers can demonstrate that they are required for chinook conservation purposes.
Some of the circumstances around the challenges faced in making the Fraser River chinook decision are impacted by the quality and quantity of recreational catch information. It serves as a reminder of the importance of catch monitoring. Providing fisheries managers with quality catch data can provide opportunity, will help reduce management by the precautionary approach and provides a strong argument against detractors who may claim that our fisheries are not adequately monitored. Over a number of years and by the review of a number of test programs, DFO has determined that guide logbooks are a valuable component of recreational fisheries data and are working to increase their use particularly in areas where creel survey data is limited.
WCVI Guides - Samples and Log Books
This year there will be an effort on the West Coast of Vancouver Island to increase the number of samples taken and log book data submitted. The SFI will will be helping DFO to get the word out and to ensure that guides understand that they must contribute when requested.
The Recreational Vision (that the DFO, SFAB and the Province developed) outlined an approach in which the recreational sector takes on greater responsibility for documenting its catch. The guide log books and other angler based efforts to assist with counting our catch fall in step with these principles. Participation in catch data collection programs will ensure that regulation changes will be based on good information.
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