Emerging Issues for SVI Chinook Regulations

Hmmm, looking at the past few years, looks like 2016 is on par for sturgeon encounters for most years with the exception that 2015 saw an unusually high incident rate - well over 100 captured by May 31 where "normal" for previous years seemed to be around 20'ish, which doesn't make 2016's 13 encounters unusually low.

Regarding seals, if there are springs moving up the river in any numbers, the seals follow.

Cheers!

It doesn't matter what the Fraser does this area only is 2%. Than a big net goes up on river mouth . That is not majority of our fish here. Asking an entire area to close based on some entitlement is ridiculous. If this is truly about conservation why are the nets there. Come on. :rolleyes: . 10+ years we knew of declines. Where is the plan from DFO to put more fish in, or repair river? How many more studies do we need to tell there is a problem here?
 
Catch the fish /prawns/whatever while you can. The bureaucratic incompetence in government and especially DFO runs so deep there is absolutely no hope. I refuse to believe there are that many stupid people in one organization...but...
 
It doesn't matter what the Fraser does this area only is 2%. Than a big net goes up on river mouth . That is not majority of our fish here. Asking an entire area to close based on some entitlement is ridiculous. If this is truly about conservation why are the nets there. Come on. :rolleyes: . 10+ years we knew of declines. Where is the plan from DFO to put more fish in, or repair river? How many more studies do we need to tell there is a problem here?

What?? Did you read the context and preceding posts? Response was regarding the loss of fish from the Albion test nets to seals - concern being if seals take fish from net they aren't counted and DFO will keep fisheries in a more restrictive "Zone". My comments and post have nothing to do with the issues you're addressing. I don't think anyone on here is saying more studies are needed on the weak Fraser stocks. Albion test fishery is completely unrelated to that anyway, it operates so DFO can get in season assessment of returns so they can adjust fisheries and don't have to be overly cautious/restrictive. I appreciate folks are unhappy about this issue but anger directed towards the Albion Test isn't warranted, if it didn't exist fish management decisions would be far more cautious.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
Ukee, the problem with the Albion test fishery is that the fish take up to 2 weeks to arrive at that site after passing through JDF Strait. That means JDF can be unnecessarily restricted for 2 weeks or longer waiting for results to be processed.
 
Agreed, but not sure what other solutions are out there as the early timed Fraser small population chinook stocks don't exactly lend themselves to open ocean test fisheries like those applied for sockeye. My original point was that the issue of seals stealing fish from the Albion test nets, which was raised by another member, isn't a new one and doesn't significantly change things one year to another as its been occurring for some time.

Curious if those on here representing the SFAB/C and/or SVIAC have ever discussed with DFO the idea of piloting a program whereby the sport sector collects scales and/or genetics as part of the network of "Test" fishing to give an idea of timing, stock composition and/or abundance (in realtime, not the slow process as part of the head recovery/CWT program)?

Cheers!

Ukee
 
There are 2 DNA data collection projects underway. The Ardent Angler Program is one, and an excellent way for concerned anglers to help collect the DNA samples and catch log data. The SFAB has fully supported this program. The other is a DNA sampling program on WCVI being run voluntarily by some guides who are participating through the WCFGA.

Sadly, not enough participation frankly, which is placing the rec fishery under increasing scrutiny in fisheries such as SVI and WCVI when we negotiate international treaties and address conservation issues raised by other fishing communities. DFO needs more rec anglers and guides to step up and participate in the sampling program.

Bottom line, we need data to resolve issues such as this one or risk an ultra conservative decision process due to lack of solid data to support different decision outcomes in future.

As for seals taking fish from the test nets, I have personally observed the test fishery and not seen seals working the nets - I suspect mainly because the net is set and worked by the crew so the seals won't get a lot of opportunity to work the nets. Maybe it was just the day I happened to be observing, but there were not a lot of seals either, so my experience may not be typical of the spring chinook situation.
 
Maybe there is more to Hunter Tootoo's resignation.... (From the Globe and Mail)

Trudeau needs to clear cloud of mystery around Minister Tootoo’s exit
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Published Thursday, Jun. 02, 2016 6:00AM EDT

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A cabinet minister disappeared from public view late Tuesday in a manner that left a whiff of mystery.

Hunter Tootoo might have resigned his post as Minister of Fisheries and Oceans to seek treatment for an addiction, with the Prime Minister wishing him well and taking a few questions on the loss of a member of his cabinet. Mr. Tootoo would then have been able to take time, in private, for treatment.
Instead, Justin Trudeau issued a terse written statement Tuesday night, and offered equally terse public remarks – and took no questions at a suddenly announced appearance before the Liberals’ caucus meeting Wednesday morning. There were no get-well good wishes.

Oddly, Mr. Tootoo, the MP for Nunavut, was leaving not just cabinet but also the Liberal caucus – a step usually forced on someone caught in scandal or taken by an MP facing investigation.

“This was his own choice after a very difficult situation and we will have nothing further to say on this matter,” Mr. Trudeau said.

Ministers who marched into the caucus meeting really didn’t say anything further, insisting they would respect Mr. Tootoo’s privacy.

Certainly, anyone seeking treatment for addiction deserves some privacy. But a minister of the Crown has to expect a little less than the rest of us. And a prime minister has to accept his duty to provide some basic transparency about his department. Instead, Mr. Trudeau fed a mystery.

Why is it, reporters sought to ask, that Mr. Tootoo left the Liberal caucus? After all, when Liberal MP Seamus O’Regan announced he was seeking treatment for an alcohol problem, he stayed in the caucus – and Mr. Trudeau tweeted his “full support.” Had something else happened with Mr. Tootoo?

On Wednesday morning, television news networks were airing those questions. CTV News said unnamed sources had told it that Mr. Tootoo’s resignation followed an unspecified incident at the Liberal convention in Winnipeg last weekend – a report The Globe and Mail did not confirm.

At his caucus meeting, Mr. Trudeau told his MPs not to believe the speculation about Mr. Tootoo, according to Liberal sources. But why was Mr. Trudeau telling his 183 MPs that if he wasn’t willing to tell the Canadian public?

At times, it seemed as though Mr. Trudeau was going out of his way to fuel the rumour mill, not quash it, with silence. This was the first minister to leave Mr. Trudeau’s young cabinet. Mr. Tootoo was the only minister from the Far North, an Inuk who was seen as, if not a star, a bright light – smart, forthright, with charisma. He was a drinker, and smoked a lot of cigarettes, but his sudden departure was a surprise. Questions naturally follow.

Is there more to Mr. Tootoo’s departure? It is not mere lurid gawking to ask. This isn’t a simple human-resources matter with an employee. Nor is it merely a matter of empathetic Canadians affording privacy to an individual who deserves support – that path allows privacy to become an easy pretext for cover-up. The conduct of powerful public figures demands the answers to some basic questions.

To put one bluntly: Was this a simple choice to seek treatment, or did some misconduct by a minister of the Crown trigger the resignation?

That, at least, was a question that Mr. Trudeau should have stood and answered, if only to squash the speculation the PM told his MPs not to believe. The Prime Minister doesn’t need to deliver details of Mr. Tootoo’s private life.

He does need to assure Canadians that this is simply a case of all-too-common human affliction, and not ministerial misconduct.

And Mr. Tootoo is obviously entitled to privacy for treatment. The big step of seeking help for addiction is undoubtedly bigger for public figures. It probably seemed almost impossible to past generations of politicians. When people such as Mr. O’Regan do it, it should inspire hope. Mr. Tootoo deserves support. But he was a sitting minister who suddenly left, and Mr. Trudeau shouldn’t let it seem like a mystery.
 
Searun..I've kept a logbook for DFO for years and at one time collected DNA samples. (2-3 years) Chinook only. I stopped when I learned after asking for my data (just out of curiosity and interest) that they were sitting on a shelf somewhere and were never processed. I still do the logbook but will not put in the extra time and effort to collect and record DNA if it never gets looked at.
 
I can't answer to your specific situation. All the DNA collected for the Ardent Angler program is complete. I've seen the data. They may not process it immediately (that is the case with mine) but when they get funding to do the processing it is done.

DFO has funding in place to collect and process DNA this year, which will be critically important in the upcoming treaty negotiations. I have just had some rather interesting conversations about this very subject with DFO.

On a side note, as a guide I think we have a higher duty to provide data to DFO than other rec anglers, and I would rather provide that on a voluntary basis than the alternative frankly.
 
My DNA samples were collected in area 20 in JDF Strait. I did attend a meeting in Nanaimo for the program you mention and that is where Wilf Ludke told me that my samples were not processed. My samples were not apart of this program and ai was doing it voluntarily.
 
Gotcha, that makes sense. They are only processing programs that they have established funding for. I might be overstating the cost, but think Wilf said it was around $20/sample. That cost is apparently coming down with newer technology if I recall the conversation correctly.

They have funding in place this season to process the samples. Considering some of the issues we are facing, we are looking for guides in Sooke/Rennie areas to participate in DNA sampling. Talking at moment with SFI and DFO to see what we can arrange to make sampling easier.

Please PM if you are interested.
 
I think it is now down to about $16 per sample.
 
They had been able to cut the costing of processing the Dna almost in half bye moving to paper sampling instead of the old system of putting it into the little bottle of liquid... There was a lot odf cost associated with that with stored and it being a flammable liquid ect..... The Ardent angler program is a good one with some interesting results....
 
Heard that the decision on restrictions on Chinook off Victoria/Sooke has been put off for a week. Also heard they are considering extending the restricted area past Renfrew!!! Hope it's not true.
T2
 
Heard that the decision on restrictions on Chinook off Victoria/Sooke has been put off for a week. Also heard they are considering extending the restricted area past Renfrew!!! Hope it's not true.
T2
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Heard that the decision on restrictions on Chinook off Victoria/Sooke has been put off for a week. Also heard they are considering extending the restricted area past Renfrew!!! Hope it's not true.
T2

This thing is getting worse.:rolleyes:
 
June 3 to 5th gill net opening above sawmill creek
Lower fraser gill/set opening june 5th 18hrs
Not to mention the illegal netting going on
Low freshet, no debris in the water perfect drift and set net conditions.
Anything coming back is getting netted before it reaches its spawning grounds. Conservation?
 
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