I swore to the mods I’d be nice on here now. But you’re making it really hard….
Early Halibut Opening
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I swore to the mods I’d be nice on here now. But you’re making it really hard….
Need from 85-15 to 75-25. But thing is. When negotiations start we have to make our ask 70-30 as we won’t get what we ask for but something in between. I’ve said to those involved I’d be happy to be involved the talks with government. But Cpl of the old boys club don’t like me so can’t even get on Sfab Hali working group
ship happens
Crew Member
Simple, count your fish. Which is what TAC is. Then count your fish again when you catch them. If the resource can only produce so many fish then that's how many fish you get before conservation is in concern. Count your fish. Noone wants to hear it. But that's how you sustain any type fishery.
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wildmanyeah
Crew Member
The easiest thing to do would be allow rec operators to buy quota the paybacks not great on it as think it’s over 10 times the lease rate but it would be the easiest solution.
No different than the government buying it to give to the natives
No different than the government buying it to give to the natives
ship happens
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"Whales are eating a **** load and getting way smarter"
"It would be real hard to put a # on the lbs, probly would want to see it "
I was listening when I heard that from a reliable source
"It would be real hard to put a # on the lbs, probly would want to see it "
I was listening when I heard that from a reliable source
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Capt_Ed
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I'm not trying to **** people off, just trying to get people to get all the info past and present so they can make informed comments on this issue.
Bod
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You can do this. Quota is bought/sold and leased every day.
Doug
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Everyone is all over the place and did they attend any of the meetings?
People need to attend the meetings and get the facts, listen to what others are saying and ask questions.
Show solidarity of 25 of the same old people attending really doesn't reflect the thousands of licenses sold in the Victoria area. Consider, if you had a meeting and only a few attended you would assume there ares no concerns. The few that attend the meeting do voice their concerns but consider 25/2500(?) =1%
I know for a fact that most of the SFAB members are not reading this form.
I think there is a process to be followed in order to advise DFO of your concerns and that is to go to the meeting and then go through SFAB or the Ground fish working group.
When the next Victoria meeting comes up. I will post up the date, time and location. Come to the meeting, SFAB , DFO and 20 to 30 fisherman will be there.
People need to attend the meetings and get the facts, listen to what others are saying and ask questions.
Show solidarity of 25 of the same old people attending really doesn't reflect the thousands of licenses sold in the Victoria area. Consider, if you had a meeting and only a few attended you would assume there ares no concerns. The few that attend the meeting do voice their concerns but consider 25/2500(?) =1%
I know for a fact that most of the SFAB members are not reading this form.
I think there is a process to be followed in order to advise DFO of your concerns and that is to go to the meeting and then go through SFAB or the Ground fish working group.
When the next Victoria meeting comes up. I will post up the date, time and location. Come to the meeting, SFAB , DFO and 20 to 30 fisherman will be there.
Rain City
Crew Member
I actually think it's silly that someone would have to attend an in person meeting to have a say. They could easily have some kind of voluntary questionnaire attached to the licensing system. Every year it could ask pertinent questions related to the upcoming season and give anglers an opportunity to voice their own concerns. The system seems purposefully archaic.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Capt_Ed
Crew Member
You can buy a Commercial license and the minimum quota attached( 428#) i think for about $115,000 on Pacific Boat Brokers.
Doug
Well-Known Member
I'm surprised by how many people do not go to the DFO web site and do a search to know the facts and if it isn't there call them. All the info is there.
I have friends in Mission looking at buying quota once it is available, so they can make their trip to the island worth it. But I thing the cost is around $8lb+- lb, so if you get a 100lb it is $800.
DFO is not going to go out of their way creating more work for DFO. The Gov has been cutting back on DFO's funds every year and they have less and less staff. If you just sit on the side lines and listen to others, who do not know the facts this issue will remain the same.
I think the SFAB was created for the fisherman to transfer ideas to DFO. It is the only group DFO will listen too. Just thing what it would be like getting thousand of fisherman letters with hundreds of different opinions on what they want to happen.
As Derby said " Herding Cat" I think herding cats would be easier.
I think I will retire from the halibut opening posts and just read them, and hopefully things get worked out.
I have friends in Mission looking at buying quota once it is available, so they can make their trip to the island worth it. But I thing the cost is around $8lb+- lb, so if you get a 100lb it is $800.
DFO is not going to go out of their way creating more work for DFO. The Gov has been cutting back on DFO's funds every year and they have less and less staff. If you just sit on the side lines and listen to others, who do not know the facts this issue will remain the same.
I think the SFAB was created for the fisherman to transfer ideas to DFO. It is the only group DFO will listen too. Just thing what it would be like getting thousand of fisherman letters with hundreds of different opinions on what they want to happen.
As Derby said " Herding Cat" I think herding cats would be easier.
I think I will retire from the halibut opening posts and just read them, and hopefully things get worked out.
casper5280
Crew Member
I find with a lot of these meetings, that they are posted here anyways a day or 2 before the meeting or its in the afternoon when people are working. Most people have plans and need some lead time so they can plan around it. I am thankful for the people that do attend and I have attended a few over the years and you are correct that the few I have been to it was the same people there.
SpringFever2359
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I agree with this, I'll add that any commercial quota that is taken away(bought) will end up in 1st nations hands.
Capt_Ed
Crew Member
To be clear, at $8.00 a pound you are leasing quota not buying it
Rain City
Crew Member
Let everyone assign a proxy then. Easy
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
okay so its 115k to get into the game get 428 but once your in you can buy quota from what i read "according to a recent DFO analysis. Anyone hoping to buy halibut quota should be ready to offer $90 to $100 a pound."
From 2021 so old now
The outlook for halibut licence and quota value is summarized as follows:
• Halibut was one of the most highly traded licence and quota in BC commercial fisheries over 2021 as the fishery has strong fundamentals, high demand, and fewer perceived uncertainties from the changes in fisheries policy
.• Interviewees commented that value of halibut quota peaked in 2017 at $120-$130/lb and has since stabilized in the range of $90-$95/lb.
• Halibut quota prices rallied this year despite volatile prices over 2020, with prices in the range of $92-$95/lb in the start of the season, and $96/lb toward the end of the season.
• Halibut was viewed as a resilient fishery due to the low cost of capital and a solid rate of return(5.45%). It was perceived to be a success story during COVID-19.
• The direct-to-consumer market opened new avenues to sell popular fish such as halibut, but reaching this market still requires significant value-adding to make the product consumer friendly. Prior toCOVID-19, as much as 80% of halibut went to restaurants and food service industries, meaning thatbuyers and processors faced a large challenge of creating new markets for their products.
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This thread is really starting to meander all over the place. The opening and regulations for the upcoming season have been established. Further discussion on other elements of the Halibut debate needs to be taken to a new or different thread in the Conservation section.
Bod
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Anyone can get a license.
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