Early Fraser Chinook (area 19/20)

[Dave S]

Those are percentage only. 100 percent of 1 fish is still only 1 fish. Do u have the actual numbers caught? That would be more telling.

Can you explain to me why these percentages can't be used to quantify the overall catch of a region?

 

[wolf]

UMMM thats right from DFO and the models they use.... so ask yourself why is area 19/20 getting hammered when the rest doesnt and we take the fewest .im beging to think searun you dont get it?????

 

[searun]

You can't necessarily look at the percentages for reasons previously stated. The whole logic behind those restrictions is the overall number of interceptions. So the actual numbers are also very important if you are trying to extrapolate data to forecast the impacts. Not trying to pick a fight with what you are saying, just pointing out that if you want to use the CWT data to make a point sometimes we also need to get down to how many actual fish that is. There's a real danger in trying to average an average. 3 percent of 1000 fish is a whole lot different than 3 percent of 10 fish.

 

[wolf]

YES i realize that BUT this is what DFO models its **** for im just stating a fact that we were told in a meeting by the DFO heads THAT the fraser fish DO NOT go on the inside at all ....STRAIGHT to our faces and we made it very clear in our questions "do you mean to tell us the fraser fish dont go down the inside"????? there answers were VERY DIRECT and CLEAR NO THEY DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So when I see % taken from the inside and yet we are still being hit by these restrictions....WHY????
This is why we get frustrated and pissed off as I dont care if we all have to play nice and "protect" the fish for the FN to kill them just be on a level playing field is all I ask.....
What concerns me the most since these restrictions have been in place is it has killed us over here Im just not talking about myself here now, look back at the sooke reports in june it was like a ghost town out here when we used to have the marinas full all this time the community suffers all for what????
I think SS had maybe 10 boats in it for the month of june 5 years ago it was like you could barley get a spot, the marina I was at just had very few boats as well....

Im really hoping for way better year forecast say it will be so this will be for not... cross your fingers......

 

[Fins -n- Skins]

Well said Wolf.. Thats all we want is a level playing field.. Period !!

 

[searun]

Reason I raise this is we face the same percentage argument when it comes to no wild coho off shore. When you drill down to the actual numbers of Thompson coho caught inside Barkley Sound it's only a few individual fish. So I think we have to work with DFO on addressing those issues.

 

[wolf]

I agree BUT we could use the same argument for us in 19/20 then couldnt we so why are we shut down??? no arguing with you just stating a fact we are getting screwed over .... as you know all this fish ONLY come our way.... facts are they are not ....

 

[sammyslabber]

UM better question; how many people kept wild fish > 67cm West of Sherringham - during area 19/20 slot limit?

 

[Discus]

That is very interested.... I am really very curious what is numbers on the percents ... I believe that Wolf has lot of experience with fishing because he is a fishing charter go out fishing for almost everyday in during summer time!

 

[profisher]

I would say that quite a few over 67cm during the most restrictive part of the season but for me very few when it increased to (was it 85cm?) as there were not very many larger fish around. Lots of fish in that 20-22 pound range that were right on the upper limit.

 

[scott craven]

UM better question; how many people kept wild fish > 67cm West of Sherringham - during area 19/20 slot limit?

Not a problem Sammy, those fish are not Fraser bound.... right ?

 

[Dave S]

You can't necessarily look at the percentages for reasons previously stated. The whole logic behind those restrictions is the overall number of interceptions. So the actual numbers are also very important if you are trying to extrapolate data to forecast the impacts. Not trying to pick a fight with what you are saying, just pointing out that if you want to use the CWT data to make a point sometimes we also need to get down to how many actual fish that is. There's a real danger in trying to average an average. 3 percent of 1000 fish is a whole lot different than 3 percent of 10 fish.

I was unable to find these reasons you speak of that you said are previously stated. CWT data is primarily what DFO uses to determine impacts of a region on a specific stock. That is why they clip fish, and that is why they encourage and reward those who participate in the Salmon Head Recovery Program. If the sample size was very low, like 10 fish, then yes, it would not be accurate to apply that percentage to the overall catch of a region. But I don't imagine that is the case here. I am wondering where I would get that info, say for the month of May for Georgia Strait South? It shows 55% of the fish caught in May in this region were from the Lower Fraser. That means that over half the fish submitted that were also tagged came from the Lower Fraser.

 

[wolf]

winner winner chicken dinner for Dave.......

I can tell you I didnt get to many over in the the slot as the fish were a bit on the smaller side this year I released maybe 5 that were over as I told clients ahead of time what was happening and they were good with it.And for some reason there were some nice hatchery around for a change I do NOT know why but was a pleasant surprise a couple of time to look in the water to see it had no fin.

What was so beneficial was we had fish come early the coho and pink action started by late june, YES there are some that want the biggest and best but most clients are happy just getting fish and thats what I personally like to see if you have to i just went for the smaller stuff people were happy and makes life easier ...

TRUST me id love not having to try and measure a spring/halibut in the water as the mortality rate has got to be high on fish you have fought for 10 min and consequently been gill hooked to let it slide into the depths doesnt benefit nobody...

wolf

 

[sammyslabber]

Not a problem Sammy, those fish are not Fraser bound.... right ?

Yep, pretty soon pushing West in early season...will be fishing off http://goo.gl/ZlOU1c...

The early run Fraser -19/20 slot is a travesty; a government mismanagement Band-Aid at best...

 

[Karma-Kazi]

fixed that for ya

Figures you would come to a serious thread and instead of adding somthing of use you just post garbage.


Even if it was just for fun, save that for the Highjack thread!

 

[ziggy]

Anyone know why the size limits for fish from 19 to 19-4 are different from those in The rest of 19? I'm sure there is a reason!

 

[scott craven]

Here we go, same restrictions as last year...

March 1 to June 13, 2014 management actions: Effective 00:01 hours Saturday, March 1, 2014 until 23:59 hours Friday, June 13, 2014 in Subareas 19-1 to 19-4 and Subarea 20-5(those waters near Victoria between Cadboro Point to Sheringham Point), the daily limit is two (2) chinook salmon per day which may be wild or hatchery marked between 45 cm and 67 cm or hatchery marked greater than 67 cm in length. The minimum size limit in these areas is 45 cm in length.

 

[Kildonan]

Here we go, same restrictions as last year...

Let's go fish in Nanaimo, I'll split the fuel and Lucky costs with you.

 

[profisher]

We are hopeful that we will see a change from last year between June 14th and July 18th. We should get one wild over by June 14th.

 

[scott craven]

Let's go fish in Nanaimo, I'll split the fuel and Lucky costs with you.

Fuel is cheap, Lucky could get expensive....