Rum Buddies
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PNW, if you want someone to be honest and post their emails - why don't you be HONEST and say which charter company you represent as you obviously received one of these emails.
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SerengetiGuide
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First off, I think it needs to be clarified that this is not a "war" on the US...it is a battle with the Neay Bay operators. Some of our friends from the south have taken it as a Canada vs. US thing...which I don't personally believe it is at all.
Secondly, what gives the neah bay operators the right to come up to canada...give 0 to our economy, and rape our halibut? If someone did that out of Rupert and went to Alaskan waters, $#it would hit the fan! We stay in our waters...why can't you do the same? Plus...according to right of passage...you should be checking in at customs as well...which 0 of you do.
PNW - are you the same one from the hull truth forum? Just curious...
Secondly, what gives the neah bay operators the right to come up to canada...give 0 to our economy, and rape our halibut? If someone did that out of Rupert and went to Alaskan waters, $#it would hit the fan! We stay in our waters...why can't you do the same? Plus...according to right of passage...you should be checking in at customs as well...which 0 of you do.
PNW - are you the same one from the hull truth forum? Just curious...
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
First off, I think it needs to be clarified that this is not a "war" on the US...it is a battle with the Neay Bay operators. Some of our friends from the south have taken it as a Canada vs. US thing...which I don't personally believe it is at all.
Secondly, what gives the neah bay operators the right to come up to canada...give 0 to our economy, and rape our halibut? If someone did that out of Rupert and went to Alaskan waters, $#it would hit the fan! We stay in our waters...why can't you do the same? Plus...according to right of passage...you should be checking in at customs as well...which 0 of you do.
PNW - are you the same one from the hull truth forum? Just curious...
Secondly, what gives the neah bay operators the right to come up to canada...give 0 to our economy, and rape our halibut? If someone did that out of Rupert and went to Alaskan waters, $#it would hit the fan! We stay in our waters...why can't you do the same? Plus...according to right of passage...you should be checking in at customs as well...which 0 of you do.
PNW - are you the same one from the hull truth forum? Just curious...
Fishing Guide
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Cheers PNW;
Welcome to SportFishingBC. Thank you for your point of view. However it shouldn't come as a big surprise that I don't think you will receive a lot of positive responses to your post. The line you cross (and you crossed more than one in your post) is an international boundary and, despite the interconnectivity the two nations share, still signifies something.
Due to a lot of varied pressures on the fish stocks, the opportunity to fish is constantly being restricted. Thus, when fishing opportunities are curtailed here there will be a backlash against all perceived perpatrators.
I am a fishing guide and rely on the fishing season to meet my financial obligations and, to be quite honest, enjoy myself. I do not enjoy being told that I might not be able to fish or such fishing will be so restricted such that my guests may choose to go elsewhere. You mention in your post that you are a 'sportsfisherman' to which I reply that you are not.
You are a commercial operator and a source of competition - for both resources - fish and clients. You state that you have been the object of taunts. Taunting is not the sign of a mature person but, in light of the possible reactions to you - some physical in nature -one can supposedly live with them.
However, in the spirit of international co-operation I offer the following solution to our problem. You contact me and we can set up a working arrangement where your guests can come to Vancouver Island and my charter company - along with my colleagues - will be pleased to offer them world class fishing with professional guides. We will show them Canadian hospitality and I will assure you - on my word - we will not taunt them (or you!)
Hoping this meets with your approval.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Welcome to SportFishingBC. Thank you for your point of view. However it shouldn't come as a big surprise that I don't think you will receive a lot of positive responses to your post. The line you cross (and you crossed more than one in your post) is an international boundary and, despite the interconnectivity the two nations share, still signifies something.
Due to a lot of varied pressures on the fish stocks, the opportunity to fish is constantly being restricted. Thus, when fishing opportunities are curtailed here there will be a backlash against all perceived perpatrators.
I am a fishing guide and rely on the fishing season to meet my financial obligations and, to be quite honest, enjoy myself. I do not enjoy being told that I might not be able to fish or such fishing will be so restricted such that my guests may choose to go elsewhere. You mention in your post that you are a 'sportsfisherman' to which I reply that you are not.
You are a commercial operator and a source of competition - for both resources - fish and clients. You state that you have been the object of taunts. Taunting is not the sign of a mature person but, in light of the possible reactions to you - some physical in nature -one can supposedly live with them.
However, in the spirit of international co-operation I offer the following solution to our problem. You contact me and we can set up a working arrangement where your guests can come to Vancouver Island and my charter company - along with my colleagues - will be pleased to offer them world class fishing with professional guides. We will show them Canadian hospitality and I will assure you - on my word - we will not taunt them (or you!)
Hoping this meets with your approval.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Fishing Guide
Active Member
Cheers PNW;
Welcome to SportFishingBC. Thank you for your point of view. However it shouldn't come as a big surprise that I don't think you will receive a lot of positive responses to your post. The line you cross (and you crossed more than one in your post) is an international boundary and, despite the interconnectivity the two nations share, still signifies something.
Due to a lot of varied pressures on the fish stocks, the opportunity to fish is constantly being restricted. Thus, when fishing opportunities are curtailed here there will be a backlash against all perceived perpatrators.
I am a fishing guide and rely on the fishing season to meet my financial obligations and, to be quite honest, enjoy myself. I do not enjoy being told that I might not be able to fish or such fishing will be so restricted such that my guests may choose to go elsewhere. You mention in your post that you are a 'sportsfisherman' to which I reply that you are not.
You are a commercial operator and a source of competition - for both resources - fish and clients. You state that you have been the object of taunts. Taunting is not the sign of a mature person but, in light of the possible reactions to you - some physical in nature -one can supposedly live with them.
However, in the spirit of international co-operation I offer the following solution to our problem. You contact me and we can set up a working arrangement where your guests can come to Vancouver Island and my charter company - along with my colleagues - will be pleased to offer them world class fishing with professional guides. We will show them Canadian hospitality and I will assure you - on my word - we will not taunt them (or you!)
Hoping this meets with your approval.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Welcome to SportFishingBC. Thank you for your point of view. However it shouldn't come as a big surprise that I don't think you will receive a lot of positive responses to your post. The line you cross (and you crossed more than one in your post) is an international boundary and, despite the interconnectivity the two nations share, still signifies something.
Due to a lot of varied pressures on the fish stocks, the opportunity to fish is constantly being restricted. Thus, when fishing opportunities are curtailed here there will be a backlash against all perceived perpatrators.
I am a fishing guide and rely on the fishing season to meet my financial obligations and, to be quite honest, enjoy myself. I do not enjoy being told that I might not be able to fish or such fishing will be so restricted such that my guests may choose to go elsewhere. You mention in your post that you are a 'sportsfisherman' to which I reply that you are not.
You are a commercial operator and a source of competition - for both resources - fish and clients. You state that you have been the object of taunts. Taunting is not the sign of a mature person but, in light of the possible reactions to you - some physical in nature -one can supposedly live with them.
However, in the spirit of international co-operation I offer the following solution to our problem. You contact me and we can set up a working arrangement where your guests can come to Vancouver Island and my charter company - along with my colleagues - will be pleased to offer them world class fishing with professional guides. We will show them Canadian hospitality and I will assure you - on my word - we will not taunt them (or you!)
Hoping this meets with your approval.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
To answer...
First off, I own and 18ft boat. I do not charter, and my boat has never been within the 123 boundary. As far as "who I represent"? I represent either...
A: Everyone who holds a WDFW and/or a DFO recreational fishing license.
B: Nobody except myself. I donate my own money and time to conservational and recreational fishing organizations. And of course partake in the fisheries on a recreational level.
Just to make it clear, I do not represent any guide or charter owner or operator. Period.
SFBC...
1) Are you considering a US charter/private boat with 2 or more US citizens that are holders of DFO licenses that fish 12-36+ miles off of the Canadian coastline a "homeland security" issue?????
2) Do you think that that holders of DFO licenses from the lower 48 commercially harvest pacific halibut in Alaskan waters?
3) Do you think that Neah charter boats are $#^T% taunting? And not making an honest or legal living legally taking clients to fish our "shared" stock of pacific halibut that is managed by the IPHC? If you are not clear, the drop in the bucket that is the NB charter boats operate legally with or without online licenses in 123, 12+NM's from Canadian soil, in which this reg change effects.
4) Loopholes? What loopholes? Both US aircrafts and vessels pass through/over Canada everyday (as pointed out previously). Along with those of other countries. What Loopholes are you refering too?
5) Obviously the change in the regs was directed and the recreational fisherman out of Neah Bay, and to a degree LaPush and maybe Sekiu and PA. It is directed at both the businesses, and recreational fisherman that operate out of Washington State. Not at the real problems in our fish stocks. (Draggers for example, which this thread horridly fails to mention)
6) I don't doubt that there is probably illegal guiding going on up there. Catch them and eliminate their means. Again, I definately support enforcement of illegal guiding/chartering up there and down there. Don't trash on the folks that do it legally. I've read the "posts" including yours. Lumping in the legal businesses in with in the illegal ones is incorrect on your part.
To answer...
First off, I own and 18ft boat. I do not charter, and my boat has never been within the 123 boundary. As far as "who I represent"? I represent either...
A: Everyone who holds a WDFW and/or a DFO recreational fishing license.
B: Nobody except myself. I donate my own money and time to conservational and recreational fishing organizations. And of course partake in the fisheries on a recreational level.
Just to make it clear, I do not represent any guide or charter owner or operator. Period.
SFBC...
1) Are you considering a US charter/private boat with 2 or more US citizens that are holders of DFO licenses that fish 12-36+ miles off of the Canadian coastline a "homeland security" issue?????
2) Do you think that that holders of DFO licenses from the lower 48 commercially harvest pacific halibut in Alaskan waters?
3) Do you think that Neah charter boats are $#^T% taunting? And not making an honest or legal living legally taking clients to fish our "shared" stock of pacific halibut that is managed by the IPHC? If you are not clear, the drop in the bucket that is the NB charter boats operate legally with or without online licenses in 123, 12+NM's from Canadian soil, in which this reg change effects.
4) Loopholes? What loopholes? Both US aircrafts and vessels pass through/over Canada everyday (as pointed out previously). Along with those of other countries. What Loopholes are you refering too?
5) Obviously the change in the regs was directed and the recreational fisherman out of Neah Bay, and to a degree LaPush and maybe Sekiu and PA. It is directed at both the businesses, and recreational fisherman that operate out of Washington State. Not at the real problems in our fish stocks. (Draggers for example, which this thread horridly fails to mention)
6) I don't doubt that there is probably illegal guiding going on up there. Catch them and eliminate their means. Again, I definately support enforcement of illegal guiding/chartering up there and down there. Don't trash on the folks that do it legally. I've read the "posts" including yours. Lumping in the legal businesses in with in the illegal ones is incorrect on your part.
Some day FG maybe. But again let me be clear that I am not in direct competiton with you. And I don't expect a warm reception to my opinion or our shared fisheries along the international boarder between BC and WA. Though I have a previous backgrond in your side of the industry in the States, I am not a guide/charter as I mentioned above. Nor a "commercial opperator" in any way what so ever. Just a plain ol' Sportie here.
Doubt you will see a US guide/charter operator respond to this here. It would probably be in thier best interest to avoid it, instead of debating on the issue and creating a lack of "positive responses" on this informative board. They will probably just roll with it, and get past what has been laid forth by DFO, and ignore what has been posted here. But I wouldn't know, and can't speak for them. One thing for certain.., The reputable and legal charter operators out of Neah will continue to fish legally. And as a private recreational fisherman, so will I.
All I see is a shot at my recreational fishing oportunity, mostly due to proposterous allactions of our shared quota of Pacific Halibut. Count your blessings FG. You can count on fishing halibut more that 7 days this year out of your home port. I cannot.
Have a good season.
Some day FG maybe. But again let me be clear that I am not in direct competiton with you. And I don't expect a warm reception to my opinion or our shared fisheries along the international boarder between BC and WA. Though I have a previous backgrond in your side of the industry in the States, I am not a guide/charter as I mentioned above. Nor a "commercial opperator" in any way what so ever. Just a plain ol' Sportie here.
Doubt you will see a US guide/charter operator respond to this here. It would probably be in thier best interest to avoid it, instead of debating on the issue and creating a lack of "positive responses" on this informative board. They will probably just roll with it, and get past what has been laid forth by DFO, and ignore what has been posted here. But I wouldn't know, and can't speak for them. One thing for certain.., The reputable and legal charter operators out of Neah will continue to fish legally. And as a private recreational fisherman, so will I.
All I see is a shot at my recreational fishing oportunity, mostly due to proposterous allactions of our shared quota of Pacific Halibut. Count your blessings FG. You can count on fishing halibut more that 7 days this year out of your home port. I cannot.
Have a good season.
Fishing Guide
Active Member
Cheers Again PNW;
Please accept my appologies as, from the tone of your initial post, I mistook you for a commercial operator.
May I ask - in utmost seriousness - what you find perposterous about the halibut allocation? I sense I know but, as you can tell from my previous post, I can (on occasion) be wrong.
I like that word...perposterous and sums up how our government allocates our Total Allowable Catch in Canada. We give 87% to the commercial sector and the 13% scraps that fall from their table is grudgingly given to the sports sector. Even after it has been proven time after time that a sports caught fish is worth 10 times to the economy to a commercial fish. Does not make any sense.
I wish you success and enjoyment in your sports fishing this summer. I know I am looking forward to my days on the water and they will (HOPEFULLY) be more like 70.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Please accept my appologies as, from the tone of your initial post, I mistook you for a commercial operator.
May I ask - in utmost seriousness - what you find perposterous about the halibut allocation? I sense I know but, as you can tell from my previous post, I can (on occasion) be wrong.
I like that word...perposterous and sums up how our government allocates our Total Allowable Catch in Canada. We give 87% to the commercial sector and the 13% scraps that fall from their table is grudgingly given to the sports sector. Even after it has been proven time after time that a sports caught fish is worth 10 times to the economy to a commercial fish. Does not make any sense.
I wish you success and enjoyment in your sports fishing this summer. I know I am looking forward to my days on the water and they will (HOPEFULLY) be more like 70.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Fishing Guide
Active Member
Cheers Again PNW;
Please accept my appologies as, from the tone of your initial post, I mistook you for a commercial operator.
May I ask - in utmost seriousness - what you find perposterous about the halibut allocation? I sense I know but, as you can tell from my previous post, I can (on occasion) be wrong.
I like that word...perposterous and sums up how our government allocates our Total Allowable Catch in Canada. We give 87% to the commercial sector and the 13% scraps that fall from their table is grudgingly given to the sports sector. Even after it has been proven time after time that a sports caught fish is worth 10 times to the economy to a commercial fish. Does not make any sense.
I wish you success and enjoyment in your sports fishing this summer. I know I am looking forward to my days on the water and they will (HOPEFULLY) be more like 70.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
Please accept my appologies as, from the tone of your initial post, I mistook you for a commercial operator.
May I ask - in utmost seriousness - what you find perposterous about the halibut allocation? I sense I know but, as you can tell from my previous post, I can (on occasion) be wrong.
I like that word...perposterous and sums up how our government allocates our Total Allowable Catch in Canada. We give 87% to the commercial sector and the 13% scraps that fall from their table is grudgingly given to the sports sector. Even after it has been proven time after time that a sports caught fish is worth 10 times to the economy to a commercial fish. Does not make any sense.
I wish you success and enjoyment in your sports fishing this summer. I know I am looking forward to my days on the water and they will (HOPEFULLY) be more like 70.
Sincerely;
Fishing Guide
I am Canadian. Let's go fishing, eh!
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