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barnettm
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Sounds like our erstwhile Canadian friends are on the warpath again. Who do you hate most....yanks...natives......or commercials
E-LICENCE CHANGES NEAH BAY
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None of the above. We are strongly against a foriegn country harvesting a valuable, limited resource belonging to us at cost to ourselves.
Interesting article, I'd like to see some government stats to go with it. I understand that a lot of the winters are US hatchery springs, but looking at a map showing the JDF and George straits pointing straight at the Fraser River would indicate anglers are targetting a lot of fish headed to our lower mainland. If 90% of the fish we catch are US fish, then that means we only get 10% of the fish heading to our rivers?
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battaglino
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Damn Canadians stealing all our fish.
No wonder we don't have any fish down here.
No wonder we don't have any fish down here.This has been on here before and I'm still trying to figure out what you guys are talking about. Ever since e-license was begun it has been illegal to use an e-license in area 121. It may be that some American charters were breaking the law, but Americans have never been legal fishing Swiftsure with an e-license. So what's the change?
They added Areas 123 (Blue Dot) and area 23 (Inshore near the Sound).
Here's how it works for me.[This is the legal way]I launch out of blaine i motor over to whiterock,I MUST BE TIED UP TO THE CUSTOMS DOCK no exception.Call them on the phone[customs]They give you a number and your on your way.If you get checked,you better have that number or **** starts getting taking away, poles boat pots etc.depending on the officer.it used to be years ago we could fish Canada as long as we don,t anchor.This was called hovering Even dragging a down rigger ball was considering anchoring.It's easier to do it right.Here's the other kicker.If our waters are closed [and they usually are]We are not suppose to bring fish back to our dock without going through canadian customs.This is not Canadas plan,don't care,it's WA. idea. They think people are fishing closed waters [yea right] We also could buy a canadian salt water lisence at the local hardware store,But now have to travel that long 5 miles to the border lol.We can still get a frsh water liscence in wa. just my 2bits.
fishingbc
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Canadian law requires anyone who is doing anything other than transversing Canadian waters ie: FISHING to clear customs....end of story....you fish ....you check in....every single Canadian on this forum should be calling MP's, DFO, Canada Customs, Coast Guard etc to get the #@*&^%$# ball moving so when March 1st rolls around the e-license changes ARE STRICTLY ENFORCED every single day.....no spot checks....ongoing daily enforcement so next year we have our daily limits and possession limits restored....lets start thinking about 2009 NOW.....it's time to end this BS......having a presence at all boat launches, marinas, ports etc to make sure OUR interests are protected first should be the focus for DFO, Customs, Coast Guard and not just on the south island.....ports like Ucluelet, Tofino, Bamfield , Port Alberni, Alberni Inlet, Nootka, Tahsis, Campbell River etc all see large number of American fishing vessels....who many of those are clearing customs......
Thanks LastChance. I'm not sure why all the cross-border hostility. From either side. I understand the frustration with American charters operating in Canadian water and agree it shouldn't continue. And I understand the frustration with DFO IF they're not enforcing laws and regulations. But I don't understand the animosity between fishermen, unless we're speaking of those who break the law or act in unethical ways. I made my first-ever trip to Canada, with my wife last September to fish. I trailered my 24' boat from Colorado, USA to Port Angeles, Washington, crossed over to Victoria, BC by ferry, cleared Canadian Customs, and trailered to Ucluelet. We bought Canadian, annual licenses and salmon stamps, paid moorage and fuel costs for 12 days, bought bait, fuel, two fishing rods, one reel, coolers full of salt ice, and groceries. We caught (on purpose) less than a possesion limit of salmon and bottom fish and paid St. Jeans cannery to smoke & transport most of it home for us. We had a great time, met wonderful, friendly people, and would like to do it again in a couple of years. Should we consider that we aren't welcome in Canada as US fishermen and stay home?
Absolutly not. The thing is, you came to our country, you spend some money, you were a part of the economy, and you followed the rules. YOu didn't run some 40 ft boat 50 miles to a reef on the boarder, pound the hell out of it, and run home to no benefit of the local economy.
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c.r.angler
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Visitors following the rules of our country & not taking more than their share are absolutly welcome!!!
fishingbc
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We are now faced with reduced daily and pocessions limits on Halibut here in BC ....the US charter fleet fleecing OUR resource has now lead in part to these new restrictions and is now opening the eyes of hundreds of thousands of Canadians to the blatant abuse of our fishery all over the coast of BC....the mounting pressure on all governments to do something this year should result in stricter enforcement of many rules, regs and laws that have been abused for way too long....if it means fewer non resident anglers coming to BC so be it....the resource MUST come first....
gpspowell; people like you are always welcome. The anger is aimed at foreign opportunists who break the law or take advantage of gaps in the regulations and laws repeatedly and therefore harm our precious resources. By preventing this we will hopefully have always enough fish to invite international friends over to join us in fishing Canada.
To those that come up with their vehicles full of fuel, extra tanks full, full food, hidden compartments for fish, shipping fish back by the cooler loads over and over, illegal foreign guides, and any others that are here to exploit the resource, please stay home.
To all the rest and this is the vast majority:
Our government's actions and inactions have lead some foreigners into believing that it's OK to take part in the resource outside of what the rest of us see as legal - to the point that they advertise their exploitation.
The anger resulting from DFO mismanagement, and possibly our own historical complacency toward the resources, is misdirected at the US fishers, the commercials, the natives and any others that threaten our ability to continue status quo.
I always welcome meeting any foreigners at the docks regardless of origin and will continue to do so, it's one of the enjoyable perks to being a sportsfisherman. You are the "value added" in the recreational system. Please feel invited and welcome to enjoy the resources with responsible care within the legal and intended constraints of our system.
I look forward to your visit.
Nimo
Disclaimer: We cannot be held responsible for any actions that result from the belief that this has anything to do with conservation or the condition of the halibut stocks.
To all the rest and this is the vast majority:
Our government's actions and inactions have lead some foreigners into believing that it's OK to take part in the resource outside of what the rest of us see as legal - to the point that they advertise their exploitation.
The anger resulting from DFO mismanagement, and possibly our own historical complacency toward the resources, is misdirected at the US fishers, the commercials, the natives and any others that threaten our ability to continue status quo.
I always welcome meeting any foreigners at the docks regardless of origin and will continue to do so, it's one of the enjoyable perks to being a sportsfisherman. You are the "value added" in the recreational system. Please feel invited and welcome to enjoy the resources with responsible care within the legal and intended constraints of our system.
I look forward to your visit.
Nimo
Disclaimer: We cannot be held responsible for any actions that result from the belief that this has anything to do with conservation or the condition of the halibut stocks.
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battaglino
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Fishbc,
I still think if I run from Neah Bay to fish in Canadian water and never anchor or make land I am not required to check in with customs.(Not that there is any place to check in this side of Victoria) I have been stopped and check the last three years and the men with guns just check out licenese and our fish and sent us on out way. I would have though if there had been a problem they would have said something. I spent about an hour trying to find the reg. for this but was unable to but a number non-govermental sites also agree with me. If you have something that show that I can't do this let me know.
I still think if I run from Neah Bay to fish in Canadian water and never anchor or make land I am not required to check in with customs.(Not that there is any place to check in this side of Victoria) I have been stopped and check the last three years and the men with guns just check out licenese and our fish and sent us on out way. I would have though if there had been a problem they would have said something. I spent about an hour trying to find the reg. for this but was unable to but a number non-govermental sites also agree with me. If you have something that show that I can't do this let me know.
fishingbc
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Maybe you would like a floating customs office somewhere out in 121, 123 or 23 .....if the closest point of entry customs office is Victoria you MUST report there....as far as being checked out off of Neah Bay, in Canadian waters you will find a much different approach this season....as far as non-governmental sites go....well maybe you should check a government site....they are the ones who make the rules....
fishingbc
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Coming to Canada by Small Aircraft or Recreational Boat Private aircraft and recreational boats arriving in Canada
Travellers on private, company-owned, or charter aircraft carrying 15 people or less (including members of the crew), as well as travellers on recreational boats, have to call a Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) telephone reporting centre to obtain authorization before arriving in Canada.
Recreational boats
The master of a recreational boat is the person in charge. As master of the recreational boat, you have :
to go to a designated telephone reporting marine site, call the telephone reporting centre at 1-888-226-7277. No one except the master may leave the boat until authorization is given by customs.
Note
To find designated telephone reporting marine sites in your area, call 1-888-226-7277.
The master also has to follow these steps:
give the full name, date of birth, and citizenship for every person on the boat;
give the destination, purpose of trip, and length of stay in Canada for each passenger who is a non-resident of Canada;
give the length of absence for each passenger who is a returning resident of Canada;
give the passport and visa information of passengers, if applicable;
make sure all passengers have photo identification and proof of citizenship documents;
declare all goods being imported, including firearms and weapons;
report all currency and monetary instruments of a value equal to or greater than CAN$10,000;
for returning resident of Canada, declare all repairs or modifications made to goods, including the boat, while outside of Canada; and
give true and complete information.
As proof of presentation, the customs officer will give the master a report number for the records. The master has to give this number to a customs or immigration officer upon request.
Depending on the severity of the violation, the CBSA can impose penalties and seize any goods and any boat used to carry the goods. As well, you may be subject to criminal prosecution.
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