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Charlie
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quote:Originally posted by Lipripper
quote:Originally posted by Red Monster
I had a big sailboat almost run me over while I was trolling. Doesn't a sailboat always have right of way?[B)][xx(]
Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
Unless you're anchored they have right of way...(Kelly)
Might want to check on that? I believe that might be only "while under sail"? If they are under power, it would be same - same power boat.
TheBigGuy
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I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am. I believe that a sailboat even when under sail doesn't have the right of way when overtaking another vessel the stern. The sailboat is required to steer clear when they are approaching from your stern. While I am trolling I often put my stern towards an approaching sailboat and make him avoid me.
wolf
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Either or call one or the other and let us all know which one said they would do anything about it, there is no reason to debate this one, we just need this guy educated on what to do when he sees an big float in front of a boat.
It boggles me why when other boaters see some out there its like there is a traking beam sucking them toward a boat. its a very big ocean out there and lots of room for all.
Wolf
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It boggles me why when other boaters see some out there its like there is a traking beam sucking them toward a boat. its a very big ocean out there and lots of room for all.
Wolf
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beemer
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Always exciting! Don't want to open a huge debate on Collision regs , but when you are at anchor you must display the dayshape for anchoring in order to be 100% in the clear if your boat is larger than 7m.(no one does).
-Sailing vessels ,when sailing, always have the right of way except when overtaking.(even overtaking a power boat)
-A vessel at anchor is not considered a RAM( restricted in ability to manouvre.) All other vessels are obligated to manouvre around you because you are anchored.
-Trolling or fishing with any line is not considered fishing under the Col Regs.
The Col Regs are easily misinterpreted and talk to 5 captains and you will get 5 different answers(some very frightening!).
Wolfs comment is IMHO the golden rule. Its a big ocean ,stay clear of everyone by a absolute minimum of 100 metres at speed. Keep a horn on deck and blast 5 short at anyone who gets too close to you.
be safe and friendly out there lifes too short!
beemer www.C-TowVictoria.ca
-Sailing vessels ,when sailing, always have the right of way except when overtaking.(even overtaking a power boat)
-A vessel at anchor is not considered a RAM( restricted in ability to manouvre.) All other vessels are obligated to manouvre around you because you are anchored.
-Trolling or fishing with any line is not considered fishing under the Col Regs.
The Col Regs are easily misinterpreted and talk to 5 captains and you will get 5 different answers(some very frightening!).
Wolfs comment is IMHO the golden rule. Its a big ocean ,stay clear of everyone by a absolute minimum of 100 metres at speed. Keep a horn on deck and blast 5 short at anyone who gets too close to you.
be safe and friendly out there lifes too short!
beemer www.C-TowVictoria.ca
Charlie
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Sure are right about "easily misinterpreted", but, didn't forget about *b.", the less than 50 metres - did you? [?]
RULE 30 - Anchored Vessels and Vessels Aground - International
a. A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
i. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball,
ii. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.
b. A vessel of less than 50 metres in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule.
c. A vessel at anchor may, and a vessel of 100 metres and more in length shall, also use the available working or equivalent lights to illuminate her decks.
d. A vessel aground shall exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule and in addition, where they can best be seen:
i. two all-round red lights in a vertical line;
ii. three balls in a vertical line.
e. A vessel of less than 7 metres in length, when at anchor, not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or anchorage, or where other vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.
f. A vessel of less than 12 metres in length, when aground, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in subparagraphs (d)(i) and (ii) of this Rule.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/tp-tp10739-part-c-2823.htm
Karma-Kazi
Active Member
Exactly Charlie! Thanks this proves I was right.
I had a tug come so close to me a few years back he took my anchore and float with him when i called coast gaurd with the tugs name and told them what happened,they gave me a good talkin to you have to have a black ball up somewhere on your boat to show your anchored i said what about the 4ft bright orange ball 20ft in front of my boat they said not good enough.
Charlie
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I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, can "easily be misinterpreted"! I personally would have to tend to lean towards you would need that black ball, based on ‘bananas’ comment, but sometime even the one's that are supposed to know - don't?
It does state,
a. A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
i. in the fore part, an all-round white light "OR" one ball,
But, then, it also states,
b. A vessel of less than 50 metres in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule. Which, doesn’t refer or say anything about still needing the “one ball”? Reading that "I" would assume the ball is "not" needed, but that is only "my" interpretation?
I am "NOT an expert here by any means and not debating... would be more like asking! But, I am not sure about those light rules, either? It does state lights "or" " one ball"? And, doesn't state anything about daylight? There are many different types of lights, required during daylight hours!
I do hit my anchor light anytime I am anchored anywhere, but I have never put a black ball out - I would be interested if that was indeed required?
Charlie
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quote:Originally posted by beemer
Light rules are applicable from Sunset to sunrise , dayshapes are applicable from Sunrise to Sunset. A simple solution would be to wear a black toque and stand on your bow anytime someone comes too close!!
I am "not" disagreeing! At least we are reading the same regulation! LOLI am reading "b.", but are you reading "c." and "d."? I think "d." pretty much states the shapes "will" be complied with by day, at least until and when you get to 'Rule 30' then you get the "or"?
Then what do you think about "c."? Concerning lights "...shall, if carried, also be exhibited from sunrise to sunset in restricted visibility and "may be exhibited in all other circumstances when it is deemed necessary."? Then again, when you do drop down to Rule 30, it flat out again says light or one ball?
Very "easily" can be, "easily misinterpreted", kind of why I stated, "based on ‘bananas’ comment"... which was, "they gave me a good talkin to you have to have a black ball..."
Charlie
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quote:Originally posted by beemer
Light rules are applicable from Sunset to sunrise , dayshapes are applicable from Sunrise to Sunset. A simple solution would be to wear a black toque and stand on your bow anytime someone comes too close!!
I am "not" disagreeing! At least we are reading the same regulation! LOLI am reading "b.", but are you reading "c." and "d."? I think "d." pretty much states the shapes "will" be complied with by day, at least until and when you get to 'Rule 30' then you get the "or"?
Then what do you think about "c."? Concerning lights "...shall, if carried, also be exhibited from sunrise to sunset in restricted visibility and "may be exhibited in all other circumstances when it is deemed necessary."? Then again, when you do drop down to Rule 30, it flat out again says light or one ball?
Very "easily" can be, "easily misinterpreted", kind of why I stated, "based on ‘bananas’ comment"... which was, "they gave me a good talkin to you have to have a black ball..."
quicksilver11
Member
Hi Charlie It is in the wording "Shall" meaning you will use lights from sunset to sunrise, in restricted vis. and you may use them at any other time you think they are necessary.
quicksilver11
Member
Hi Charlie It is in the wording "Shall" meaning you will use lights from sunset to sunrise, in restricted vis. and you may use them at any other time you think they are necessary.
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