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You do not like peer reviewed papers because thry do not say what you like?
You do not like who write articles because they do not fit your ideal of what is right?
Beautiful, i agree.
That is what this is all about. The difference was you thought you were on the high ground with scientists and peer reviewed papers.
Now you do not like the system as it does not work for you.
Carry on.

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Again ... nice try... I agree 100% with the paper and it's conclusions....
READ THE PAPER
I have the link posted...... Am I asking too much?


Peer review in a journal is not 100% perfect...
That's why there are retractions.....
There are also new Journals that have been started by your side to sneak stuff in.
There are also "reports" that claim peer review that are crap.
Just have to look at right wing think tanks for that.

14 thousand peer reviewed papers about climate change and 97% say it's real, man made and a problem.
That 3% are mostly from the oil companies. NICE.....

Off to chum derby take care......
 
I can predict the future. I predict you will continue to ignore the fact that the vast majority of climate scientists (those who devote their lives to actually studying climate in detail) believe that man made CO2 is driving global warming. I also predict this thread will go on for many more posts with no one on either side of the issue actually influencing the other.
23 posts later and my prediction appears to be correct (even w/o the benefit of a computer model).
 
Yup, you are right. But this is supposed to be a subject that is resolved.
It appears it is not.



23 posts later and my prediction appears to be correct (even w/o the benefit of a computer model).
 
So Called Peer Reviewed Denier Paper is Flawed Part 1

Your so called peer reviewed paper is fraught with many flaws, not to mention that it is written by two people that work for business schools that support or are supported by industry, one in Alberta and one in Europe. This study shows nothing new just a survey of pro-oil, climate change denier engineers and geoscientists, etc. that work in the oil and oil related fields and... well no kidding, what a surprise they don't believe in human influenced climate change! This survey is just cherry picking at its finest. Not surprising they feel this way otherwise like you and other deniers they would feel uncomfortable with the truth and have to maybe change their careers or lifestyles. This again just looks like people suffering from cognitive dissonance trying to make themselves feel better. The review of the article below goes on to show the flaws of this report.

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2...rbes-courtesy-of-heartland-hack-james-taylor/

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<!--/header--> It’s fascinating when you catch the start of a new bogus claim enter the denialsphere, bounce from site to site, and echo about without any evidence of critical analysis or intelligence on the part of the denialists. A good example of this was an article by Heartland Institute’s contributor to Forbes, James Taylor, falsely claiming only a minority of scientists endorse the IPCC position on the causes of global warming. This new nonsense meme gets repeated by crank extraordinaire Steve Milloy, bounces the next day to Morano’s denialist aggregation site, and before long I’m sure we’ll be seeing it on Watt’s site, Fox news, and in a couple more weeks, in an argument with our conservative uncles.
The claim is, of course, a deception (or possibly total incompetence) on the part of Heartland’s “senior fellow for environment policy” (I wonder if there is significance to the use of “environment” as opposed to “environmental”). Linking this paper in the journal Organization studies, Taylor makes a false claim that a mere 36% of scientists, when surveyed, hold the consensus view. Anyone want to guess at the deception? Cherry-picking! It was a survey of largely industry engineers and geoloscientists in Alberta, home of the tar sands. In the study authors’ words:
To address this, we reconstruct the frames of one group of experts who have not received much attention in previous research and yet play a central role in understanding industry responses – professional experts in petroleum and related industries. Not only are we interested in the positions they take towards climate change and in the recommendations for policy development and organizational decision-making that they derive from their framings, but also in how they construct and attempt to safeguard their expert status against others. To gain an understanding of the competing expert claims and to link them to issues of professional resistance and defensive institutional work, we combine insights from various disciplines and approaches: framing, professions literature, and institutional theory.
This is pretty classic denialist cherry-picking and and is one of the most common deceptive practices of denialists like Taylor. By suggesting a survey of industry geoscientists can be generalized to scientists as whole, Taylor has demonstrated the intellectual dishonesty inherent in denialist argumentation. You might as well make claims about the consensus that tobacco causes lung cancer by surveying scientists in the Altria corporation headquarters.
The paper is actually quite interesting, and I’m glad I read it, as it is consistent with our thesis that ideological conflicts result in refusal to accept science that contradicts one’s overvalued ideas or personal interests. The authors surveyed a professional association of geoscientists in Alberta Canada (APEGGA), most of whom are working for the petroleum industry, and then performed a detailed analysis of their free-text responses on why they accept or reject climate science. What they found was there are 5 general “frames” used by respondents that their answers conformed to. The most common response was that global warming is real, and we need to act with regulation to address the problem (at 36%, the number quoted by Taylor to suggest there is no consensus), another 5% expressed doubt at the cause but agreed green house gases needed to be regulated. The second most common responses were “it’s nature” or “it’s a eco-regulatory conspiracy” and these responses showed a great deal of hostility in language towards environmentalism, proponents of global warming, liberalism etc. These came in at about 34% of responses and were more common from older white males in the higher tiers of the oil industry corporate structure. The most common remaining frame was a “fatalist” frame (17%) which could take or leave the science because hey, we’re screwed no matter what we do.
The authors weren’t attempting to validate the consensus with this study, but rather were trying to understand how scientists working in industry justify their position on global warming, as they often reject the consensus view of climate science. When a true cross-section of climate scientists is sampled, agreement with consensus is found among about 90% of scientists and 97% of those publishing in the field. A more appropriate summary of what these authors showed was that oil industry geoscientists and engineers most frequently express a view consistent with the consensus IPCC view and a need for regulation of green house gases. A similar but slightly smaller number express hostility to the consensus view and about half as many as that think we’re screwed no matter what we do
 
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So Called Peer Reviewed Denier Paper is Flawed Part 2

It all would have been short-circuited if Forbes had exercised any kind of appropriate editorial control over this crank James Taylor. Or, if the echo chamber had read some of the comments on the initial post before rebroadcasting a false claim far and wide, but then, that would require intellectual honesty and a desire to promote factual information. Does Forbes have any interest that one of their bloggers is misrepresenting the literature in this way? Is this acceptable practice among their contributors? Is this the kind of publication they wish to be?
Finally, I see the authors of the paper (who I alerted to the Forbes article’s presence – they clearly were not contacted by Taylor for comment) have response. From their comment:
First and foremost, our study is not a representative survey. Although our data set is large and diverse enough for our research questions, it cannot be used for generalizations such as “respondents believe …” or “scientists don’t believe …” Our research reconstructs the frames the members of a professional association hold about the issue and the argumentative patterns and legitimation strategies these professionals use when articulating their assumptions. Our research does not investigate the distribution of these frames and, thus, does not allow for any conclusions in this direction. We do point this out several times in the paper, and it is important to highlight it again.
In addition, even within the confines of our non-representative data set, the interpretation that a majority of the respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of global warming is simply not correct. To the contrary: the majority believes that humans do have their hands in climate change, even if many of them believe that humans are not the only cause. What is striking is how little support that the Kyoto Protocol had among our respondents. However, it is also not the case that all frames except “Support Kyoto” are against regulation – the “Regulation Activists” mobilize for a more encompassing and more strongly enforced regulation. Correct interpretations would be, for instance, that – among our respondents – more geoscientists are critical towards regulation (and especially the Kyoto Protocol) than non-geoscientists, or that more people in higher hierarchical positions in the industry oppose regulation than people in lower hierarchical positions.
Incompetence or deception by Taylor? You tell me. Either way, this is the kind of shoddy, non-academic discourse we get from bogus ideological think tanks like Heartland. They should be embarrassed.
Article Cited:
Lianne M. Lefsrud and Renate E. Meyer
Science or Science Fiction? Professionals’ Discursive Construction of Climate Change Organization Studies November 2012 33: 1477-1506, doi:10.1177/0170840612463317
 
William M. Gray 11:14 a.m. MDT October 17, 2014


Despite increasing amounts of CO2 gas in the atmosphere, mean global surface temperatures have not shown any increase over the past 18 years.

In addition:

• Raw U.S. mean surface temperatures and daily high surface temperature records (without any tampering) have shown a weak decline since the warm 1930s period.

• Winter snow cover has been gradually increasing across the northern hemisphere in recent years.

• Antarctic sea ice is now at record high levels. Net global sea ice has shown no long-period downward trend.

• U.S. and global droughts, floods and severe weather have shown no significant changes over the past half century when atmospheric CO2 amounts have risen by 35 percent.

• The United States is currently experiencing the longest continuous period (nine years) without a major hurricane strike. Tornado activity has been below average the past three years.


I strongly recommend the reader consult the Internet blog Real Science by Steve Goddard for much more documentation on the ever-increasing failure of the CO2 global warming projections.

Most weather-climate observations of recent decades are not following the predictions of nearly all the 30 or so global numerical climate models and the continuous alarmist global warming pronouncements of nearly all U.S. and foreign governments, and nearly all the world's media outlets. The general public, without the technical background to judge the scientific reliability of these many and continuous warming pronouncements, have been brainwashed. I am sure the coming decades of observations will add more verification for the discrediting of this catastrophic warming hypothesis.

I attribute the climate alterations of the past few centuries and decades to be primarily a response to the globe's deep ocean current changes of which salinity variation is the primary driver and for which CO2 increases play no role.

Natural climate change and severe and unusual weather events have always occurred and will continue to occur in the future. The frequency and intensity of these events has not increased over the time that CO2 greenhouse gases have gone up.

There may be some very minor human influence to recent climate change but its magnitude is too small to be confidently measured and understood. Whatever human-induced climate change that may have occurred and will occur in the next 50-100 years will be quite small and largely benign.

There is nothing we humans can do that would have any appreciable influence on the globe's coming century's climate. Those advocating that our government take action on stopping climate degradation don't have the technical background to understand how the globe's climate functions to realize the futility of their request. This includes a majority of our country's government officials, scientists and our country's media.

Switching to renewable energy will greatly raise our energy costs and significantly lower our country's and the world's standard of living. Economic growth dictates that we continue and expand our fossil-fuel usage. Such energy expansion cannot possibly bring about the climate degradation that has been so widely alleged.

Higher levels of CO2 should be more beneficial than detrimental to humanity. Increased CO2 will bring an enhancement of vegetation growth, a small global rainfall increase and a very slight global temperature rise — all positive changes for humankind. History has a number of examples where the majority has been wrong on an important scientific issue. This will prove to be another one.

William M. Gray is a professor emeritus, Colorado State University
 
Massive climate funding exposed

Climate Money

The Climate Industry: $79 billion so far – Trillions to come


For the first time, the numbers from government documents have been compiled in one place. It’s time to start talking of “Monopolistic Science”. It’s time to expose the lie that those who claim “to save the planet” are the underdogs. And it’s time to get serious about auditing science, especially when it comes to pronouncements that are used to justify giant government programs and massive movements of money. Who audits the IPCC?

The Summary
The US government has provided over $79 billion since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, foreign aid, and tax breaks.
Despite the billions: “audits” of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of the theory and compete with a well funded highly organized climate monopoly. They have exposed major errors.
Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks are calling for more carbon-trading. And experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 – $10 trillion making carbon the largest single commodity traded.
Meanwhile in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying a grand total of $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government has put in, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in just the single year of 2008.
The large expenditure in search of a connection between carbon and climate creates enormous momentum and a powerful set of vested interests. By pouring so much money into one theory, have we inadvertently created a self-fulfilling prophesy instead of an unbiased investigation?

Read the Full Report at the Science and Public Policy Institute.
There doesn’t necessarily need to be a conspiracy. It doesn’t require any centrally coordinated deceit or covert instructions to operate. Instead it’s the lack of funding for the alternatives that leaves a vacuum and creates a systemic failure. The force of monopolistic funding works like a ratchet mechanism on science. Results can move in both directions, but the funding means that only results from one side of the equation get “traction”.

Billions in the Name of “Climate”
In total, over the last 20 years, by the end of fiscal year 2009, the US government will have poured in $32 billion for climate research—and another $36 billion for development of climate-related technologies. These are actual dollars, obtained from government reports, and not adjusted for inflation. It does not include funding from other governments. The real total can only grow.

In 1989, the first specific US climate-related agency was created with an annual budget of $134 million. Today in various forms the funding has leapt to over $7,000 million per annum, around 50 fold higher. Tax concessions add to this. (See below for details and sources.)

..after spending $30 billion on pure science research no one is able to point to a single piece of empirical evidence…

This tally is climbing precipitously. With enormous tax breaks and rescue funds now in play, it’s difficult to know just how far over the $7 billion mark the final total will stand for fiscal year 2009. For example, additional funding for carbon sequestration experiments alone amounted to $3.4 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (not included in the $7 billion total above).

The most telling point is that after spending $30 billion on pure science research no one is able to point to a single piece of empirical evidence that man-made carbon dioxide has a significant effect on the global climate.

If carbon is a minor player in the global climate as the lack of evidence suggests, the
“Climate Change Science Program” (CCSP), “Climate Change Technology Program” (CCTP), and some of the green incentives and tax breaks would have less, little, or no reason to exist. While forecasting the weather and climate is critical, and there are other good reasons to develop alternative energy sources—no one can argue that the thousands of players who received these billions of dollars have any real incentive to “announce” the discovery of the insignificance of carbon’s.…

“Thousands of scientists have been funded to find a connection between human carbon emissions and the climate. Hardly any have been funded to find the opposite. Throw 30 billion dollars at one question and how could bright, dedicated people not find 800 pages worth of connections, links, predictions, projections and scenarios? (What’s amazing is what they haven’t found: empirical evidence.)”

By setting up trading networks, tax concessions, and international bureaucracies before the evidence was in, have we ensured that our understanding of the role of carbon in climate science would be sped up, but that our knowledge of every other aspect of climate science would be slowed down to an equal and opposite extent?

Monopolistic funding creates a ratchet effect where pro-AGW findings are reported and repeated, while anti-AGW results lie unstudied and ignored.

Monopolistic funding creates a ratchet effect where even the most insignificant pro-AGW findings are reported, repeated, trumpeted and asserted, while any anti-AGW results lie unstudied, ignored and delayed. Auditing AGW research is so underfunded that for the most part it is left to unpaid bloggers who collect donations from concerned citizens online. These auditors, often retired scientists, are providing a valuable free service to society, and yet, in return they are attacked, abused, and insulted.

The truth will come out in the end, but how much damage will accrue while we wait for volunteers to audit the claims of the financially well-fed?

The stealthy mass entry of bankers and traders into the background of the scientific “debate” poses grave threats to the scientific process. The promise of “trillions of dollars” on commodity markets—with all of that potential money hinging on finding that human emissions of carbon dioxide have a significant role in the climate—surely acts like blanket of mud over open dispassionate analysis.

All of this means we must be extra diligent in only focusing on just the evidence, the science, the empirical data. Illogic and unreason cloud a debate already loaded with bias. When there are so many incentives encouraging unclarity and overcomplexity, the simple truths need help to rise to the top. But who funds the counter-PR campaign—now that even Exxon has been howled out of the theater of science. There is hardly any money promoting Natural Causes of Climate Change, while billions upon trillions promote Unnatural Forces.

In this scientific debate, one side is gagged while the other side has a government-funded media campaign.

The bottom line
Even if monopolistic funding has affected science, the total amount of money paid to each side won’t tell us whether The Planet’s climate is warming or whether that warming is due to carbon-dioxide. The point of this report is to show how the process of science can be distorted (like any human endeavor) by a massive one-sided input of money. What use would money be, if it didn’t have some impact?

The massive amounts of money involved only makes it more imperative that we look hard at the empirical evidence.

by Joanne Nova
Science and Public Policy Institute

U.S. Government Funding for Climate Change Related Activities 1989-2009
(Millions of Dollars)

. Fiscal Year . Climate Science . Climate Technology . Foreign Assistance . Tax Breaks . Annual Total
1989 134 $134
1990 659 $659
1991 954 $954
1992 1,110 $1,110
1993 1,326 845 201 $2,372
1994 1,444 1,038 186 $2,668
1995 1,760 1,283 228 $3,271
1996 1,654 1,106 192 $2,952
1997 1,656 1,056 164 $2,876
1998 1,677 1,251 186 $3,114
1999 1,657 1,694 325 $3,676
2000 1,687 1,793 177 $3,657
2001 1,728 1,675 218 $3,621
2002 1,667 1,637 224 $3,528
2003 1,766 2,533 270 580 $4,569
2004 1,975 2,870 252 500 $5,097
2005 1,865 2,808 234 369 $4,907
2006 1,691 2,789 249 1160 $4,729
2007 1,825 3,441 188 1730 $5,454
2008 1,832 3,917 212 * 1420 * $5,961
2009 2,441 * 4,400 * 579 * 1160 * $7,420
TOTAL $32,508 + $36,136 + $3,506 + $6,919 = $79,069
*Estimate or Request.………..Annual Spending totals (right hand col) do not include Tax breaks.
References:
Climate Change Science Program, Annual Report to Congress: Our Changing Planet http://downloads.climatescience.gov/ocp/ocp2009/ocpfy2009-8.pdf
Analytical Perspectives Budget of the US Government, Fiscal Year 2010. http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/spec.pdf
1993-2005 GAO, Federal Reports on Climate Change Funding Should be Clearer and More Complete http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05461.pdf Appendix II page 34.
OMB, Fiscal Year 2008. Report to Congress on Federal Climate Change Expenditures, Table 8. http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/fy08_climate_change.pdf
Atmospheric Sciences and Climate Change Programs in the FY 2009 Budget, p 1. AAAS. http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/09pch15.pdf
Acknowledgements: Thanks to Donald Rokkan and to Brad Jensen for editing help and suggestions. Any errors left are all mine, but you both helped improve this report.
 
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Five Lessons for Canada from Germany's Clean Energy Revolution
The biggest? That renewables make the economy stronger, says German energy expert David Jacobs.
By Geoff Dembicki, Today, TheTyee.ca
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When Dr. David Jacobs comes to North America from Europe, he hears the same myths repeated over and over about Germany's state-led shift to a zero-carbon society. Replacing oil, coal, gas and nuclear with wind and solar will tank the economy; clean energy is a luxury only citizens of wealthy European countries can afford; and embracing it hasn't even reduced carbon emissions. "There are lots of very basic misconceptions," he said during a recent interview at Vancouver's Georgia Hotel.

Jacobs, who heads a consulting firm called International Energy Transition and teaches energy policy at the Free University of Berlin, was in town for Clean Energy B.C.'s Generate 2014 conference. He'd spent the morning before our chat correcting misconceptions about Germany's Energiewende (or energy transition) for a private audience of local policymakers and academics. The best myth-busting tools at his disposal are hard economic facts. These days, Jacobs has a lot of them to share.

Clean energy now supplies nearly one-third of Germany's electricity. The industry has created 370,000 jobs. Environmental sectors contribute over eight per cent of the country's GDP. And carbon emissions are down 23 per cent from 1990 levels. If the world's fourth largest economy can achieve such results, then Jacobs thinks developed countries like Canada can certainly learn a thing or two.

From my chat with Jacobs, I've compiled five crucial lessons from Germany's energy transition.

1) Admitting our fossil fuel era is ending creates political opportunities

"You have policy front-runners and policy laggards. Germany was always considering itself as a policy front-runner, starting to promote renewable energy sources in the mid 1980s.... When you look at energy from a very neutral perspective, it is rather clear that the age of fossil fuels is a limited age compared to human history. It will end up being 300 to 400 years and afterwards we go back to renewables, because it is economically more sensible and we will run out of fossil fuels.



"If you have this mindset it makes sense to invest in renewables at an early stage, because everyone else will follow you at some point. If you make this a national business opportunity, then more and more people start to get interested in this story, which is what happened... eventually it just became common sense."

2) Building a social movement in favour of clean energy is critical

"You have to understand that there is very strong social support for the energy transition in Germany. This is based in a long tradition of the antinuclear movement in the 1960s and '70s. Then this evolved into a pro-renewable energy movement, which was actually the foundation of the German green party in the late 1980s.

"This very strong social foundation got bigger and bigger, year after year.... Now 92 per cent of Germans say we need more renewables and 82 per cent support the energy transition, so without this very strong base it wouldn't have been possible."

3) Shifting to renewables makes the economy stronger, not weaker

"Germany now has 1.3 million jobs in green industries, and in renewable energy it's directly and indirectly 370,000 jobs. What is probably even more important is the annual turnover of the renewable energy industry, which is more than 20 billion euros [C$36 billion] per year, because we also export a lot of our manufactured goods and services to other countries. More than eight per cent of [Germany's] GDP comes from all the environmentally related sectors. That's very important for policymakers."

4) Higher energy prices don't necessarily mean higher energy costs

"People can lose their focus when they look at the cost of electricity. They look at prices instead, so they say one kilowatt hour costs 30 [euro] cents in Germany but only 10 [euro] cents in the U.S.... But instead of looking at prices, you actually have to look at cost. And in Germany, yearly electricity consumption of an average household is 3,500 kW-h, whereas in the U.S. you normally have 11-12,000 kW-h, so household bills are actually slightly higher in the U.S. and Canada than in Germany.

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Dr. David Jacobs: Germany's clean energy transition back by 'very strong social support.'

"In North America, you are used to very low energy prices, which incentivize a certain behaviour, so you buy a second TV, a second fridge for having cold drinks.... All of this is not happening in the average German household, where people are much more conscious of their electricity consumption behaviour."

5) Getting to a zero-carbon society is difficult, but ultimately doable

"Germany's carbon emissions have been dropping quite considerably. We've been able to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by more than 23 per cent compared to 1990 levels, so that's already quite something. The target is 40 per cent by 2020. If we continue down the road we're headed, we probably won't reach the 40 per cent but get closer to 35 per cent, which is still reasonable.

"The problem is we saw a slight increase of coal-fired generation in the last two years, due to a complex policy making process for modifying the European carbon emissions trading mechanism, where the prices are very low at the moment. This led to an increase of coal in the power mix. Germany is now considering additional national policy measures.

"The long-term target for 2050 is an 80 to 95 per cent reduction of CO2 emissions. That would translate into a full decarbonization of the electricity system. In the electricity sector, renewables now provide 28 per cent, so it's still a long way to go.... But there's not going to be room for coal-fired power in the future." [Tyee]

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Geoff Dembicki reports on energy and climate change for The Tyee. Find his previous stories here.

Funding for this article was partially provided by the Climate Justice Project of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, with support from the Fossil Fuel Development Mitigation Fund of Tides Canada Foundation.
 

So OBD, can you refute his main points (that are valid observations and criticisms of the paper you posted as valid proof that the majority of scientists are no longer supporting the idea of human influenced climate change) in his blog with credible, peer reviewed scientific data?

If you can't then your posts are no better, if not worse!

Or will you contain to post whatever you can to support your position regardless of its credibility or reliability!
 
May 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-change-may-breaks-global-temperature-record-1.2684615

June 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-heat-record-broken-for-june-following-record-may-1.2713463

August 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-heat-record-set-in-august-2014-1.2770506

*New for Oct 20, 2014
September 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/september-2014-was-the-hottest-on-record-1.2806174

Que the denial blogosphere to find something that tells us to disregard the facts and look at some Panda Bears. Perhaps we will see an Op-ed, there has been no global warming for 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 (pick one) years....
Yea take the inverse of pie and multiply by the average global temperature and plot it using a 10 month running average. If it doesn't look right, take the highs out (must be wrong) and leave the lows. There you go, no global warming, it's a hoax by all the science that isn't done by the oil companies. Trust me I know what I'm talking about, I'm an expert at something other than climate.

OBD... I'll predict that we will see ....

October 2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

November
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

December
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

and the last one....
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow
 
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LOL. First all you do is post what you think is correct. Not everything you post is peer reviewed (and we all know that peer reviewed is perfect, unless you do not like the answer).
You still use the bully word (Denier) as many times as you can. See you have added it to your signature.
So, as you do i will post all the things that i feel are relevant.






May 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-change-may-breaks-global-temperature-record-1.2684615

June 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-heat-record-broken-for-june-following-record-may-1.2713463

August 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/global-heat-record-set-in-august-2014-1.2770506

*New for Oct 20, 2014
September 2014 breaks global temperature record
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/september-2014-was-the-hottest-on-record-1.2806174

Que the denial blogosphere to find something that tells us to disregard the facts and look at some Panda Bears. Perhaps we will see an Op-ed, there has been no global warming for 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 (pick one) years....
Yea take the inverse of pie and multiply by the average global temperature and plot it using a 10 month running average. If it doesn't look right, take the highs out (must be wrong) and leave the lows. There you go, no global warming, it's a hoax by all the science that isn't done by the oil companies. Trust me I know what I'm talking about, I'm an expert at something other than climate.

OBD... I'll predict that we will see ....

October 2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

November
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

December
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow

and the last one....
2014 breaks global temperature record
link to follow
 
LOL. First all you do is post what you think is correct. Not everything you post is peer reviewed (and we all know that peer reviewed is perfect, unless you do not like the answer).
You still use the bully word (Denier) as many times as you can. See you have added it to your signature.
So, as you do i will post all the things that i feel are relevant.
There is a external link on the left for NOAA news reports if your care to check the facts.
To make things easy for you I will supply them.
May 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/5
June 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/6
August 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/8
September 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/9

Here is where the future is.....
October 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/10
November 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/11
December 2014 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/12

"You still use the bully word (Denier) as many times as you can. See you have added it to your signature."
Are you saying you no longer deny Global warming is real, it's man-made, and serious.
If so my apologies and will update my view.....

Seem's I asked at post #514
1 - no such thing as global warming
2 - Global warming is a hoax
3 - yes there is global warming but it's natural
4 - yes there is man-made global warming but it's not that bad

you answered....
5 - Man at this time is unable and uncapable of projecting the future.
Man is still starting to learn about the oceans and what effect they have.
Still learning about the sun, clouds etc.etc.
He does know about money and this is all about money.
Have you changed your mind or are you still in denial?

The facts are in and the science is settled.
You can post that it's not settled but that would be just "making stuff up"

The real question we should be debating is what we should be doing to fix the problem.
This is where we need experts from both sides to give us a path that has a chance of working.
Not one side with fingers in there ears " la, la, la can't hear you"
 
There’s little love for nuclear energy in Canada, where reactors, mostly in Ontario, generate 15 per cent of the country’s electricity—only opposition and indifference. At least, that’s Jeremy Whitlock’s impression. The manager of non-proliferation and safeguards at Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. says the industry is vilified one minute, ignored the next. A recent Pacific Basin nuclear conference in Vancouver was an example of the latter. It drew some 600 scientists and experts, but barely merited a mention in any of the local newspapers, TV or radio stations. There weren’t even any protesters, despite the relatively recent tsunami-inflicted meltdown at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi power station in 2011. “Nuclear is a strange beast,” Whitlock opines. “You spend half your time wishing people would pay less attention to you, and you spend the other half wishing they would [pay more attention].”

Such is the strange relationship the world has with nuclear power. On the one hand, splitting the atom represents one of mankind’s greatest achievements. On the other, people tend to be deathly afraid of it—which is understandable, given its birth alongside the atomic bomb.

Yet, despite renewed safety concerns in the wake of Fukushima, there’s cautious optimism within the industry. As the world grapples with global warming, nuclear energy represents a bountiful, scalable and carbon-free source of baseload electricity, the always-on backbone of any power grid system. The same can’t be said for renewable energy sources such as solar and wind, which don’t work when the sun isn’t shining and the air is still. “A vote against nuclear is not a vote for renewables,” Whitlock says. “It’s a vote for natural gas [power plants].”

Moreover, new designs promise to make tomorrow’s reactors smaller, safer and more affordable, with experts saying the high upfront costs of today’s light water reactors is a key reason utilities avoid them. British environmentalist Mark Lynas grew up anti-nuke, but now says we’re going to have to learn to love nuclear “if we want to both keep the lights on and reduce CO2 emissions.”

The current antipathy toward nuclear energy has already led to some questionable public policy decisions. In the wake of Fukushima, German Chancellor Angela Merkel vowed to phase out all of the country’s nuclear reactors, which generate about one-fifth of the country’s electricity. In their place, Germany plans to boost its reliance on renewables such as wind and solar, to as much as 60 per cent of the country’s energy mix by 2035, up from 25 per cent today. But, in addition to contributing to soaring energy prices that threaten to bog down Europe’s economic engine, the shift has so far led to an increase in greenhouse-gas emissions, as Germany burns more coal to back up those intermittent power sources—a situation that promises to get worse as more nuclear plants are taken off-line. “Germany has stuck up a lot of windmills, but it’s had to back it up with a lot of fossil fuels,” says Neil Alexander, the executive director of Saskatchewan’s Sylvia Fedoruk Canadian Centre for Nuclear Innovation, which focuses mainly on non-energy uses for nuclear research, including medicine. “It’s now known as the dirty man of Europe.”

In the United States, meanwhile, talk of a “nuclear renaissance” has also come off the boil in recent years. Back in 2009, there were pending applications to build 31 new reactors, but, as of last year, only five were going ahead. At the same time, many of the more than 100 reactors in operation, most built before the 1980s, are in need of refurbishment or are at risk of being shut down. Ron Oberth, the president of the Organization of Canadian Nuclear Industries, says plummeting natural gas prices due to an unexpected boom in U.S. shale reserves are a key culprit, making gas-fired plants more economically attractive—at least in the short term. By some estimates, the cost per megawatt to build a natural gas-fired power plant is now one-sixth that of a nuclear reactor, with the two reactors currently under construction in Georgia estimated to cost about $14 billion.

Closer to home, Canada’s most nuclear-dependent province, Ontario, has similarly lost interest in nuclear for budgetary reasons. Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government recently shelved plans to build two new reactors at the Darlington nuclear station, arguing it can’t justify the $10-billion cost when there’s currently ample generating capacity. Critics, however, say the extra capacity is only due to stalled economic growth, caused in part by rising electricity costs resulting from the shift to pricier renewable energy sources.

There are, however, a number of countries who remain committed to nuclear power. China, for example, is in the midst of a massive nuclear push, with some 28 new nuclear power plants under construction. It’s not because the Chinese are more comfortable with nuclear energy, but because the alternative—adding more coal-fired power plants to the hundreds already planned—is even less palatable in a country where the air is quickly turning brown. Even the U.K. is set to build its first new reactor, at Hinkley Point, the first such project in the European Union since the mid-1990s. The British say the controversial plant is necessary to offset the closure of older coal-fired plants and nuclear plants, and will generate seven per cent of the U.K.’s energy for the next six decades.

The debate, then, isn’t necessarily whither nuclear, but how much and where. Japan is currently grappling with this question as it prepares to restart 48 reactors shut down in the wake of Fukushima—a decision that was controversial before Mount Ontake erupted last month, killing at least 51, and underscoring the island country’s vulnerability to seismic surprises. Yet, as bad as Fukushima was, the meltdown itself wasn’t particularly deadly. So far, no deaths have been blamed on radiation, although more than 100,000 people were evacuated. In the longer term, the estimates of radiation-related cancer deaths range widely from 15 to 1,500 people (because of the difficulty in determining what triggered a cancer), according to one recent study. But if body count is to be factored into decisions, one must also consider that some studies have linked CO2 emissions and global warming to as many as 150,000 deaths worldwide every year.

Part of the nuclear industry’s challenge, then, is to better educate people about radiation and the risks it actually poses. During the Fukushima meltdown, for example, thousands fled Tokyo, even though background radiation levels in the metropolis, albeit 30 times higher than normal, were nearly the same as during a typical day in London or New York, according to Bloomberg. The mere act of boarding a plane and flying across the ocean would have resulted in greater exposure because of the thinner atmosphere at 35,000 feet, experts say.

New reactor designs with better safety features could be key to winning over skeptics. That includes models with “passive cooling” systems that can stabilize a reactor core for three days even in the event of a power loss. “If there’s an accident, they will shut down,” Oberth says. “Things will cool because of gravity and not rely on pumps.”

Other new designs—or, more accurately, designs from the 1960s that have been resurrected—include molten salt reactors that are billed as essentially meltdown-proof because they already exist in a liquid state. Researchers are also working on reducing proliferation concerns by designing reactors that don’t burn bomb-grade materials such as enriched uranium. Some even burn the spent fuel of other reactors, thus helping to address the thorny issue of long-term disposal. Further innovation will come from small, modular reactors, which have the dual benefit of being cheaper to build—allowing utilities to gradually scale up their nuclear-generating capacity—and less dangerous if something goes wrong. “At the moment, there’s a huge range of new concepts that different organizations are working on,” says Alexander. “There’s definitely a renaissance in reactor design.”

There will, of course, still be risks—just as there are with fossil fuels (47 people died in Lac-Mégantic, and 11 aboard BP’s Deepwater Horizon rig) and even solar (the panels are often made of toxic materials). The question is whether they are outweighed by nuclear’s benefits. Whitlock believes it’s a no-brainer: “Never before has there been a technology with so much promise that has been used to so little of its potential.”
 
Professor Nils-Axel Mörne

sea_level_not_rising

Main points

- At most, global average sea level is rising at a rate equivalent to 2-3 inches per century. It is probably not rising at all.
- Sea level is measured both by tide gauges and, since 1992, by satellite altimetry. One of the keepers of the satellite record told Professor Mörner that the record had been interfered with to show sea level rising, because the raw data from the satellites showed no increase in global sea level at all.
- The raw data from the TOPEX/POSEIDON sea-level satellites, which operated from 1993-2000, shows a slight uptrend in sea level. However, after exclusion of the distorting effects of the Great El Niño Southern Oscillation of 1997/1998, a naturally-occurring event, the sea-level trend is zero.
- The GRACE gravitational-anomaly satellites are able to measure ocean mass, from which sea-level change can be directly calculated. The GRACE data show that sea level fell slightly from 2002-2007.
- These two distinct satellite systems, using very different measurement methods, produced raw data reaching identical conclusions: sea level is barely rising, if at all.
- Sea level is not rising at all in the Maldives, the Laccadives, Tuvalu, India, Bangladesh, French Guyana, Venice, Cuxhaven, Korsør, Saint Paul Island, Qatar, etc.
- In the Maldives, a group of Australian environmental scientists uprooted a 50-year-old tree by the shoreline, aiming to conceal the fact that its location indicated that sea level had not been rising. This is a further indication of political tampering with scientific evidence about sea level.
- Modelling is not a suitable method of determining global sea-level changes, since a proper evaluation depends upon detailed research in multiple locations with widely-differing characteristics. The true facts are to be found in nature itself.
- Since sea level is not rising, the chief ground of concern at the potential effects of anthropogenic “global warming” – that millions of shore-dwellers the world over may be displaced as the oceans expand – is baseless.
- We are facing a very grave, unethical “sea-level-gate”.

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Thanks for pointing out more "made up stuff"
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/sea_level_not_rising.pdf

Perhaps you should check your sources......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel_Mörner

I have posted where to get sea level readings that you can check.
Why not check them yourself before posting such bogus info...???
Backup your info with facts, not Op-eds or reports from the denial blogosphere...
Give us something ... anything... I would so happy if you could prove AGW is wrong.
The problem is you can't.. no one can because AGW is true.
What do you expect dumping CO2 in the air would do? Nothing....

This is interesting....
http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.ca/2013/06/dr-nils-axel-morners-maldives-tree.html
 
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Other new designs—or, more accurately, designs from the 1960s that have been resurrected—include molten salt reactors that are billed as essentially meltdown-proof because they already exist in a liquid state. Researchers are also working on reducing proliferation concerns by designing reactors that don’t burn bomb-grade materials such as enriched uranium. Some even burn the spent fuel of other reactors, thus helping to address the thorny issue of long-term disposal. Further innovation will come from small, modular reactors, which have the dual benefit of being cheaper to build—allowing utilities to gradually scale up their nuclear-generating capacity—and less dangerous if something goes wrong. “At the moment, there’s a huge range of new concepts that different organizations are working on,” says Alexander. “There’s definitely a renaissance in reactor design.”
Now that is interesting....
 
Climate Craziness of the Week: ‘Exhale up to the atmosphere. Love away the carbon dioxide.’
From: “LOVING THE EARTH” reflections on yogaecology, climate change, permaculture and community, the only thing missing is the unicorns (h/t to WUWT reader Hank Veild)


This meditation came to me a week ago in meditation. I often let my consciousness and breath follow my spine up and down. Recently I learned a figure 8 breathing visualization from Kate Sutherland which helps to ground oneself.

Stand with your feet shoulder-width apart, eyes closed and your attention on your breath. Sitting or lying down works too, but standing is the easiest way to start.

Inhale slowly and bring your awareness to your heart.

Exhale slowly and imagine your breath is traveling the front of your body and entering to the center of the Earth.

Inhale slowly and imagine you are drawing up energy from the center of the Earth, up the back of your body, and into your heart.

Exhale slowly and imagine that your breath is going from your heart up the front of your body as high as it can go – to the stars, heaven, the sun – whatever works for you.

Inhale slowly and imagine you are drawing energy down from the sky, down the back of your body and into your heart.

Continue breathing the same shape. Next time you exhale, imagine your breath is travelling down to the earth, to the reserves of oil and coal and gas. Imagine a protective sheet of shimmering light around them so they stay in the ground. See all the wells and pumps disappear from the reserves.

Inhale slowly and imagine you are drawing energy up from the Earth, into your heart.

Exhale slowly and imagine your breath is going from your heart up towards the sky, to the atmosphere. Visualize that you can see the carbon dioxide molecules (one carbon, 2 oxygen) and you are touching them gently, loving them and letting them transform into oxygen and carbon.

Inhale back to your heart, bringing the carbon atoms with you.

Exhale and imagine you are bringing your breath and the carbon atoms down down to the center of the Earth. Return the carbon. Smoothly pet tight the mines, the drilling holes.

Inhale up to your heart. Exhale up to the atmosphere. Love away the carbon dioxide.

Continue. Use your imagination to add other healing images. Now you are a channel for that change.

Repeat this figure eight as long as feels right – perhaps 5-20 cycles at the beginning. When you are familiar with this practice, 4 or 5 cycles is enough to feel quite grounded. To start, you can trace the figure of eight shape with one hand, as a way to help your awareness move.

When you are finished, you can write down or paint your experiences, or share them here!

“Exhale up to the atmosphere. Love away the carbon dioxide.”

This poor soul must have no clue that human breath contains ~ 40,000 parts per million of carbon dioxide.

Our exhaled breath contains about 4% CO2 That is 40,000 parts per million, or about 100 times the current atmospheric concentration.


Let’s hope he/she doesn’t “love away the carbon dioxide” to the point of hyperventilation.
 
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