CiscoCat
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give The Chevron Gas dock in Steveston a call. No Ethanol. 94 at the pump $2.00 per liter today.
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Whole in the Water
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Wow. We got folks saying that there can be no ethanol free fuel in BC because the local refineries do not produce and legislation does not permit ethanol free fuel to be sold at gas stations.
Then we have folks saying some gas stations boldly state that they sell ethanol free gas.
Such confusion!
At this point I tend to believe Zurk in what he says. Unless gas stations are selling old ethanol free gas or buying it from the states (unlikely) me thinks there is no more ethanol free gas to be bought at BC gas stations.
Anyone have any verifiable proof to say otherwise??? Just trying to sort out this confusion.
Then we have folks saying some gas stations boldly state that they sell ethanol free gas.
Such confusion!
At this point I tend to believe Zurk in what he says. Unless gas stations are selling old ethanol free gas or buying it from the states (unlikely) me thinks there is no more ethanol free gas to be bought at BC gas stations.
Anyone have any verifiable proof to say otherwise??? Just trying to sort out this confusion.
zurk
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heres the FAQ from otter co-op.
www.otterco-op.crs
As per provincial regulations, premium fuel will not be Ethanol free anymore. You might be wondering how this will affect you, so please see below for some answers to help solve any confusion.
Who does it affect? It will affect anyone who purchases premium fuel as regular and midgrade fuel already contains up to 10% ethanol.
What changed? Due to provincial regulations, all fuel, including premium, will have up to 10% ethanol in it.
Where does this affect? All gas bars, including Bulk Fuel Delivery in BC (including Co-op).
When will it change? Affecting all deliveries mid-July.
FAQs about the Ethanol Announcement
Otter Co-op is a locally-owned co-operative serving Aldergrove, Surrey, Abbotsford, Delta, Langley, Pitt Meadows, Armstrong, Mission, Chilliwack, Penticton, and West Kelowna.
As per provincial regulations, premium fuel will not be Ethanol free anymore. You might be wondering how this will affect you, so please see below for some answers to help solve any confusion.
Who does it affect? It will affect anyone who purchases premium fuel as regular and midgrade fuel already contains up to 10% ethanol.
What changed? Due to provincial regulations, all fuel, including premium, will have up to 10% ethanol in it.
Where does this affect? All gas bars, including Bulk Fuel Delivery in BC (including Co-op).
When will it change? Affecting all deliveries mid-July.
MRWood
Well-Known Member
I wonder what they mean with the wording “up to 10% ethanol”. Is that less than 10% or min 10%. Is there a max, is there a min. Is it min 5% and max 10%. Can’t anyone get the wording correct so it’s not still ambiguous.heres the FAQ from otter co-op.
FAQs about the Ethanol Announcement
Otter Co-op is a locally-owned co-operative serving Aldergrove, Surrey, Abbotsford, Delta, Langley, Pitt Meadows, Armstrong, Mission, Chilliwack, Penticton, and West Kelowna.
As per provincial regulations, premium fuel will not be Ethanol free anymore. You might be wondering how this will affect you, so please see below for some answers to help solve any confusion.
Who does it affect? It will affect anyone who purchases premium fuel as regular and midgrade fuel already contains up to 10% ethanol.
What changed? Due to provincial regulations, all fuel, including premium, will have up to 10% ethanol in it.
Where does this affect? All gas bars, including Bulk Fuel Delivery in BC (including Co-op).
When will it change? Affecting all deliveries mid-July.
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zurk
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its max 10%, min 5%. any quantity below 10% does not have to be marked at the pump. so if its unmarked its 5% ethanol (as per fed regs) or 10% if its marked at the pump (as per provincial regs)
the only exemption is for jet fuels or very low quantity fuels like trufuel in cans which have limited distribution as per the regs -
(3) The criteria for the purposes of subsection (2) of this section are as follows:
(a) the total amount of base fuels, other than fossil-derived jet fuel, marketed in the compliance period by the person and the person's associates is not more than 200 000 litres;
the only exemption is for jet fuels or very low quantity fuels like trufuel in cans which have limited distribution as per the regs -
Exemptions from renewable fuel and low carbon fuel targets
(3) The criteria for the purposes of subsection (2) of this section are as follows:
(a) the total amount of base fuels, other than fossil-derived jet fuel, marketed in the compliance period by the person and the person's associates is not more than 200 000 litres;
MRWood
Well-Known Member
Now there is a well written understandable explanation. Otter Coop should hire you for their write up.
InterMechanico
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CiscoCat
Active Member
Exactly. While filling up I had the same conversation a few weeks back in Steveston and asked again today. No Ethanol here.
InterMechanico
Well-Known Member
That’s very helpful, thank you!
AV gas. Can't put ethanol in airplanes.
Max123
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Ethanol in fuel is what it is. It is basically universal now - any purported exception that you hear from the pump attendant should be taken with a grain of salt. Even if you can find one gas station that 'claims' it is ethanol free - or has somehow managed to get ethanol free fuel - you are fighting a losing battle. What's the long term plan - buy Tru-Fuel cans at Home Depot for your boat? Any loopholes/gaps are closing/ed and we should all just assume that we are getting 5-10% ethanol and plan accordingly.
The main issue now is users that grew up using ethanol free gas and have developed poor fuel storage practices. Still lots of people out there that use their carb boat engine once a year, don't drain the carb, don't use stabilizer and then wonder why it doesn't start next season. I don't think its an issue with anyone on this forum - basically everyone here is probably over-doing it and now we are in the realm of buying snake oil products or overusing additives (there's always some guy on a forum who has his own witches brew added to every tank). The best type of fuel is fresh fuel - and if you are going through a tank of gas every few weeks then ethanol related fuel additives aren't really doing anything for you (sure, add stabilizer if you aren't sure about your boating schedule). Fresh gas, periodically change your fuel filters, check your water separator, and use stabilizer at the end of season. If you have a carb engine, run it out of gas and drain the carb after ever single use.
The main issue now is users that grew up using ethanol free gas and have developed poor fuel storage practices. Still lots of people out there that use their carb boat engine once a year, don't drain the carb, don't use stabilizer and then wonder why it doesn't start next season. I don't think its an issue with anyone on this forum - basically everyone here is probably over-doing it and now we are in the realm of buying snake oil products or overusing additives (there's always some guy on a forum who has his own witches brew added to every tank). The best type of fuel is fresh fuel - and if you are going through a tank of gas every few weeks then ethanol related fuel additives aren't really doing anything for you (sure, add stabilizer if you aren't sure about your boating schedule). Fresh gas, periodically change your fuel filters, check your water separator, and use stabilizer at the end of season. If you have a carb engine, run it out of gas and drain the carb after ever single use.
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Enniberg
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I just have a hard time understanding how so many gas stations are claiming confidently that there is no ethanol in their fuel if it is not the case - it would not take many months before they are starting to be faced with a lot of angry customers, claiming that that the gas station is liable for their issues and wanting them to pay for repairs.
Max123
Well-Known Member
Start with the premise that the intent of the legislation is to no longer permit the commercial sale of ethanol free gas. It may still happen (in the same way that people cheat at their taxes, or just do their taxes incorrectly) - but if you find that station, its not going to last for long (because they are on the wrong side of the legislation), or more likely - they are just wrong and the gas actually has ethanol gas in it and the sticker is out of date.
Everyone is looking for some exception or workaround - but there really isn't one for commercial fuel sellers - but don't believe me - just go to the Regulation (Low Carbon Fuels Reg). The requirements are crystal clear in Section 13: 5% for gasoline, 8% for diesel as of 2025. The exemptions are also very clear in Section 12: jet fuel (until 2028), and for sellers of less than 200,000L/year. Any commercial seller of marine fuel is going to be over 200,000L/year. I think the low-volume exemption is how companies like Tru-Fuel sell ethanol free in the little cans at home depot.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
this thread is wild
MRWood
Well-Known Member
It’s your namesake lol
ryanb
Well-Known Member
It may be a question of zero enforcement so some retailers are ignoring the regulations. Buy an ethanol tester if it's important to you, then you can easily verify whether the fuel is ethanol free. It's just a vial that you add to water to, then the water absorbs the ethanol, showing you how much ethanol is in the gas.
Whole in the Water
Well-Known Member
I think the real issue here is this - with the legislation for all fuel sold at land and marine gas stations in BC to have a minimum ethanol content and the local BC refineries having to comply - how does one buy ethanol free fuel in large quantities in BC??? Don't think we can anymore...
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