California Chinook recovery plan working

[Stosh]

We need to look at California and see how well their fishery has recovered. In just a few years, they are seeing record returns. Limiting out in a couple of hours is common. The Golden Gate Salmon Association is doing a great job to help the recovery. It can be done up here, with help from hatcheries. Closures and restrictions alone aren't the answer.
Stosh

 

[reelfast]

excuse me..................'record returns' compared to zero fish does not make a recovered fishery. what many folks seem to forget is the look back is into their personal experience, not the reality of the way back. so to todays fisherman it looks great. in reality, the recovery is a very small percentage of what the california delta and all of the tributaries could support. try and keep these sorts of things in the perspective of a time frame longer than the years you have been out fishing.

 

[tedgeller]

Yes, mostly political. California is now where close to recovery. Politicians are saying they need to decimate the bass fish from the delta in order to bring back the salmon. They need to quit diverting all the water south. They need to quit poisioning the water with pesticides, insecticdes and fertilizer. As with the high price of gas they make the situation so bad that people are happy with any improvement! Kind of like some recent headlines I read. The new increase in taxes brought in more money then they had planned. Now the City Council is trying to figure out the best way to spend it!
I only hope they can continue to improve the fish counts. Also last years actual returns were now where near their predictions.
Ted

 

[Stosh]

Hey,
In a perfect world we might not be on this site. However we're all having problems with governments messing our lakes, rivers and oceans. I'm just trying to point out to readers that things can improve if we do the right things to improve them. The main reason California is having great returns is mostly due to the fact that heathy fish are being release in key areas. Our DFO says they don't know anything about what works anywhere out of Canada. If anyone from DFO ever reads anything on this site, they might just think about and look at other successful programs. We need enhancement programs. We can't just rely on natural re-production when in many cases there isn't enough water in some areas to allow this to occur. Time to stop supporting the fish farms and oil companies and look after our rivers, lakes and oceans.
Gotta go
Stosh

 

[profisher]

The difference up here in BC is that the government is now supporting fish farms not wild salmon. Wild salmon are a nuisance which only hinder the farmers in their ability to put in more farms...wild salmon increase their costs as they have to use drugs in an effort to keep the in the net diseases, contained to inside the nets. Why would they want to help grow the wild salmon populations or introduce more hatchery stocks...that would be like a sheep farmers being told that the government was going to raise more coyotes and release them around his farm. If California had all our fish farms they wouldn't be building hatcheries either.

 

[Sculpin]

If the American's stop eating this crap then maybe we could get these fish farms out of our water's. The Target ban is a start but I would like to hear from reelfast how his country is dealing with our situation in regards to how his country is the biggest consumer. This is a two way street and I am personally sick and tired of his cheap shot's at us British Columbian's that happen to host the farms that feed his people. No sportsfisherpeople agree with it.

Many British Columbian's would like to know more about companies like Target that are banning the sale of this farmed fish. Thanks Charlie for posting that article. What is the United States of America doing to help eliminate the demand that is so apparently there for these fish that we grow?

Sorry for the rant.

John

 

[reelfast]

ahem, i believe i was the one who pointed out that target stop the sale of atlantic salmon, just to set the record straight. you own the problem, sculpin, the pens are in your waters. so long as 'cheap' fish are available on the market, folks are going to be purchasing that food, just an ugly fact.

many of us have called attention to this issue and the impact on wild fish. everyone i know continues to ask me what fish they should be eating and purchasing. those voices multiply, yep i know a small effort on my part. but you see, i am not a canadian, i did not let those farms become established, i did not install your conservative government, all of you folks did those deeds.

so if you want to kick some sand, sculpin, you really don't have to look across the border, you have plenty of folks to deal with right in your own backyard.

 

[profisher]

A better solution is that we both work together to get these farms outta here. It will take both pressure on the consumer and on governments to make a difference.

 

[chris73]

Fish farms are solely our problem. We cant blame anyone else for this. We were stupid enough to vote for politicians who openly declare support for this industry and we repeatedly re-elected them. How would you blame anyone else for this stupidity?

 

[Gunsmith]

Do Atlantic salmon get Mad Cow disease? Look how fast the borders closed when that happened.

 

[Foxsea]

Fish farms are solely our problem. We cant blame anyone else for this. We were stupid enough to vote for politicians who openly declare support for this industry and we repeatedly re-elected them. How would you blame anyone else for this stupidity?

X2 One of the most embarrassing things to happen in Canada next to the Canuck fan rally for Bertuzzi in 2004 (after his suspension for sucker-punching Steve Moore) was seeing us give Harper a majority government. Now, I'd organize a rally for Bertuzzi if he would only punch Steve Harper! ...get that damned smug look off his face.

 

[lorneparker1]

ahem, i believe i was the one who pointed out that target stop the sale of atlantic salmon, just to set the record straight. you own the problem, sculpin, the pens are in your waters. so long as 'cheap' fish are available on the market, folks are going to be purchasing that food, just an ugly fact.

many of us have called attention to this issue and the impact on wild fish. everyone i know continues to ask me what fish they should be eating and purchasing. those voices multiply, yep i know a small effort on my part. but you see, i am not a canadian, i did not let those farms become established, i did not install your conservative government, all of you folks did those deeds.

so if you want to kick some sand, sculpin, you really don't have to look across the border, you have plenty of folks to deal with right in your own backyard.

Offf topic, but just curious. Did you support Obama?

 

[reelfast]

so the choice was obama or the very old idiot mccain and his handy running mate pal'in. tough choice but someone had to make it. big mistake was not backing hillary who would have been kickin'butt and takin'no prisonners. now this year, if the citizens of the USA are really dumb enough to put a conservative in the WH, look out canada, what harper is doing to you and your environment will look like trivial events. odds are 50-50 i'd say.

 

[lorneparker1]

so the choice was obama or the very old idiot mccain and his handy running mate pal'in. tough choice but someone had to make it. big mistake was not backing hillary who would have been kickin'butt and takin'no prisonners. now this year, if the citizens of the USA are really dumb enough to put a conservative in the WH, look out canada, what harper is doing to you and your environment will look like trivial events. odds are 50-50 i'd say.

That's kind of what I figured. I think you have a lot to add, but your constant pot shots are annoying and not acceptable imo. And for a guy who voted for Obama id say, don't throw stones when you are living in a glass house

 

[reelfast]

pot shots?? i'd call what i post repeating the obvious. my government is not lilly white by any stretch, continues to screw our environment and a thousand other atroticities. if you care to point those out, you would get a big 'amen' from me. being realisitic and accepting the place where you stand is important unless you really can't man up.

and just so you canadians know, these issues are know about on this side of the border. will our 'in the pocket of corporations' government do anything about this?? probably no more so than yours:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/oil-spill-risk-exports-asia_n_1453091.html

 

[Englishman]

pot shots?? i'd call what i post repeating the obvious. my government is not lilly white by any stretch, continues to screw our environment and a thousand other atroticities. if you care to point those out, you would get a big 'amen' from me. being realisitic and accepting the place where you stand is important unless you really can't man up.

and just so you canadians know, these issues are know about on this side of the border. will our 'in the pocket of corporations' government do anything about this?? probably no more so than yours:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/oil-spill-risk-exports-asia_n_1453091.html

Guys, I do not understand some of the barbs sent the way of Reelfast. He cares enough about the issues we have up here to get involved in discussion about those issues and has offered advice about proceeding with litigation, among other things. He is on our side!
He is not responsible for the general ignorance down in the U.S. about the impact of fish feed lots, any more than we, as individuals, are responsible for the collective ignorance of the general Canadian population about the same impacts.
Collectively, we all, as fisherman who care about the environment and the wild fish need to work together to educate, communicate and lobby for changes to the law and for better protection for wild salmon. Salmon do not care about borders!!
Reelfast, keep posting. I respect much of what you say and for your clear and honest view of the environmental political shortcomings on your own side of the border, as well as ours.

 

[Gunsmith]

He means well but his direct approach raises a few hackles.

 

[lorneparker1]

He means well but his direct approach raises a few hackles.

x2. THats why i worded it the way i did. I definitely want him to keep contributing!! Just enough with the " you canadians" hahaha