Buying A Boat In The USA

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Anybody ever gone into the US to get a new or used boat ? What all is needed to purchase a boat from someone in the US ? What paperwork would a person need to bring it back across the line ? I don't mind driving to pick up the boat up, I'm seeing a huge difference in prices too.
 
I did that last year.
As long is the boat is made in the US it is easy.

What I had

Bill of sale itemized separate Boat, Outboard motor, and Trailer

State Title for boat

Registration for Trailer

Note that the trailer needs what's called a form 1 and must be inspected within a certain period of time once brought up.
I had it inspected at Canadian Tire they were the only ones that did it for The Registrar of imported Vehicles www.riva.ca

All I paid at the boarder was the GST on everything and they took VISA!
When I got back to Canada I paid PST on the Trailer + 182.00 fee for the Registrar.

The only Hassle I had was there was no sticker on the trailer stating capacities etc. So I E-mailed the manufacture and they sent me a new one.

I save a few dollars and I am very happy with what I got.

Good luck
 
Here is a piece I wrote in responce to somebody on another forum describing my experiences in buying a boat in Washington.

Hope it helps.


Here's a handy link to The Registrar of Imported Vehicles:
http://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html
These people are quite informative (and they are in the office until 8:00 pm
our time, which makes it easier to get in touch. I reccomend you give them a
call.

The process at the border was quite painless. Took about 45 minutes. Customs
was helpful and knowledgeable! BUT, that came about because I had done the
research ahead of time, phoned them (and RIV) and had ALL the paperwork. I
emphasize this because, while I was there, they did turn around and send
back to the US another guy because he didn't have enough paper - bills of
sale and the like. (This was at the Truck Crossing by the Peace Arch.)

The process I went through was:

1. Make the deal and buy the boat, after mechanical check by a mechanic and
a sea trial.

2. I had discussed the potential purchase with my insurance agent and
obtained the necessary forms for insurance coverage on the boat. I completed
the forms with required info, e.g., the boats HIN - hull identification
number, length, etc., and faxed the form to the agent.

3. Because I was in Tacoma and relatively close to the border, I drove back
to White Rock and obtained a bank draft to pay the vendor. I also purchased
from an ICBC agent a "binder" policy on the trailer to provide temporary
insurance and licensing in BC (about 30.00). You may be able to buy this
'binder policy' over the phone from your ICBC agent from wherever you make
the purchase. Check with an agent.

4. Returned to Washington and bought a "transit permit" from the State
Department of Motor Vehicles to allow me to use the trailer in Washington.
If you buy in Oregon, my understanding is that you would need to get a
"transit permit" from both Oregon and Washington. I think it was about
24.00. You can find info on their State DMV websites. The only thing they
asked for was my drivers license and the 24.00, didn't matter if it was a
trailer or a car.

US Customs requires you to declare when you bring in more than $10,000.00
US. When I went back down I declared the bank draft to the guy in the booth, but,
because it was payable to the vendor and had not been endorsed, he didn't
consider it to be a negotiable instrument. Doesn't hurt to declare it and
even if they change their minds and want a paper trail, it's only a 5 minute
deal.

5. Return to border with boat and trailer:
Have title papers, for boat and trailer. In Washington they have a form for
the boat license that is an 'official' document. It has to be signed off by
the owner.
The trailer will have it's own official title papers, which again has to be
signed off by the owner.
Make sure you get these and that they are signed off.

Bills of Sale. You will require two.
The first should cover the boat, motor, and any other gear attached to the
boat (radio, depth sounder, downriggers etc.).
The second bill of sale is for the trailer only.

At the border Customs will charge you the GST and PST on the value of the
boat plus the GST on the value of the trailer. They will also charge you a
fee of $209.00 for the vehicle inspection. Yup, it adds up. The only good
thing I can say is they take Visa or Mastercard.

Although I wasn't asked for it, I have heard of people being asked to
document the actual payment made for the boat/trailer purchase. This would
be covered by having a copy of the bank draft or whatever that you issued to
the seller as well as the bill of sale. Presumably they reserve this in case somebody tries to lowball
them on the purchase price to reduce the GST/PST (which I admit I thought of
doing, but decided against even trying believing the importing process would
be fraught with enough difficulty, and also did not want an insurance hassle
in case something did happen on my way home).

Once home the RIV sent me a form - which, when I had not received it after a
week, I phoned them and they e-mailed it to me. Take this form, plus your
other papers and the trailer, to a Canadian Tire store (they have the
exclusive contract for vehicle inspections) for a 15 minute check over. Make
sure reflectors are all in place, they don't care if the lights work as long
as the reflectors are in place. They also check the VIN number on the
trailer, manufacturer's load rating, and tire rating and a couple other
items. Not a problem to pass. No charge at Cdn Tire, but you already paid
RIV 209.00 for the inspection.

Once Canadian Tire gives you a pass and the appropriate paperwork, you can
then go to an ICBC agent and get licence plates for the trailer. At this
time you pay the PST on the trailer.

You also have to trot off to "Service Canada" (Blanshard Street), who, as of
April 4th, are taking over boat registration from Canada Customs. Surprise,
no charge for registering the boat. They issue the 14K number.

If you buy a boat, 1999 or older and it has a 'factory' trailer, it may be
a Calkins trailer. One of the requirements of importing the trailer is that
you have a Recall Clearance Letter from the manufacturer. Unfortunately
Calkins went out of business in 1999. What I did was do a Google search for
Calkins Trailers and you should turn up a story from the Spokane Journal of
Commerce (from 1999) about Calkins closing up. I printed this and included
it in my paper package. When I got to Cdn Tire for the inspection they ask
for the Recall Clearance Letter. I had them call RIV for a recall clearance
letter Waiver form, which they immediately faxed to Cdn Tire. I filled the
form out, attached the news story I had printed out, added that I had done
web and phone book searches but was unable to contact Calkins. This
satisfies everybody.

Try to make sure the Manufacturer's decal with load capacity and VIN number
are still attached to the trailer. I'm not sure what the procedure would be
if they are missing.

To keep the paper trail clean, double check to make sure the VIN on the
trailer and the HIN on the boat are correctly recorded on the owners title
papers and bills of sale.

I think I hit all the bases, but I would suggest you talk to Canadian
Customs, Registrar of Imported Vehicles, and insurance agent before setting
out. I found them all to be helpful, and importing boats and trailers into
Canada is not unfamiliar to them.

For making payment in the US I would talk to your bank. I couldn't come up
with a simpler - or safer - method than as I described above. If you
purchase the US Funds before you go, then decide not to make the purchase
when you try the boat, you are then stuck with a large amount of US money
which you may have to sit on or sell back to the bank (at a loss of 4-5%).

I was dealing with a private seller so as part of the deal he agreed to
deliver the boat to me in Blaine, which cut down my travel time a lot.
Perhaps you could make a similar arrangement to get it delivered at least
partways. Or, if you are buying from a boat dealer, perhaps they can be more
accomodating (put it all on Visa?).
 
Great response

Time,

You covered it all there. I pulled out my Customs Bill and noticed that yes I paid PST and GST at the boarder on everything but the trailer. Paid that when I got my Insurance back to Canada.
My boat came from a private seller in California I had a boat surveyor look at the boat and then a mechanic go over the motors and trailer. Once this passed I had a boat mover move it to Blaine where I picked it up. I did insure it for the delivery and got an interim insurance from ICBC to tow it back to Canada. I had to wire the money to the seller before delivery. A bit of a risk but it all ended ok.
I also had to get a recall letter from loadrite but they were still in business and were happy to Fax me a letter.

Country Boy follow all of times suggestions and find yourself a great boat!
 
Just a few questions for you guys. If the boat is new and from a dealer do I have to pay the state taxes ? Would it also be easier if I took a new trailer down with me ( bought here in BC) and just loaded the boat onto it (seeing how I know what the boat weighs and its length)? That way it would already be insured and have proper licencing, licence plate and no worrying about taxes and recall letter and seperate bill of sale for the trailer and getting a temporary permit to transport it to the border, no inspection of trailer. I then could also get the dealer to credit me on the trailer that would normally come with the boat. Thanks again for all your input too.
 
I think the subject has been covered well. I purchased a boat in Michigan thru a broker. I had express shipped the draft payment to them but when I picked the boat up I forgot the copy of the draft & some Gal at Canadian customs decided to make my life miserable over it even though a had official Michigan title & receipt from the broker. (As "Time" pointed out!) She went into Yacht World & returned saying the purchase price I claimed I paid was below market value & hence the boat was impounded & I was a liar until I came up with a copy of the draft! As if I would go all the way to Michigan to buy a boat I could buy here for the same money!!!
Secondly, certain states have state Tax (Michigan 6 percent) that must be paid before the boat can change title which is added to the invoice at the time of purchase. (NO way around it!) That is added to GST & (PST, unless your lucky enough to be an Albertan like me) Overall though it is really quite easy & the savings substantial. Especially if you buy/have a trailer here & tow it down with you.
 
No state tax in one sense, the dealer is offering to pay state taxes. Just have to ask him to transfer the boat to my trailer and all should be good and a little simpler. I just can't beleive the differences in boat prices between Canada and the USA. Same boat half the price, bigger market I guess.
 
quote:Originally posted by Country Boy

No state tax in one sense, the dealer is offering to pay state taxes. Just have to ask him to transfer the boat to my trailer and all should be good and a little simpler. I just can't beleive the differences in boat prices between Canada and the USA. Same boat half the price, bigger market I guess.

Great work identifying all the little nuances guys. There's been a few guys out here locally in Canada trying to make a mockery out of buying a boat from the US...and as those posts detail...it's just that easy!

If you're buying long distance and you're having it transported, you can have all that done for you through a haul service and transport, and it'll be delivered to your door, and then you just go through the rest which takes all of about an afternoon...and you pocket thousands in savings!

GREAT post!
 
Can anbody please confirm for me that there is no (state) sales tax in Oregon. I found a website Oregon Department of Revenue and it states that Oregon has no sales tax. Do they have any other sort of tax/taxes that I would have to pay on a new or used boat ? If they have no sales tax it would be one less thing to contend with. Alot closer to home too.
 
It's true. Oregon has no state sales tax. Washington's is over 8%, it varies from County to County. Good luck and happy hunting.
 
Country Boy:

It may simplify things if you take your own trailer down, but first make a call to Canadian and US Customs and outline your plans. The US seems to be getting excitable at the border. Time spent in preparation is not wasted.

As for Sales Tax, it is generally paid when registering the boat. As long as you have a bill of sale and the original owner's signed off registration to prove the legalities of possession while in transit, I wouldn't think there is a need to register it until you return to Canada. Hence no sales tax is payable in Washington. This applies to private sales.

For boat dealers, the boat would be sales tax exempt if it is being exported.
See the Washington Sales Tax site:
http://dor.wa.gov/content/home/qa/FAQ.aspx#Nonresidents
For some reason I can't copy the sub addresses, but if you click on the link for"Buyers Retail Tax Exemption Certificate" and "ETA2014.08.193" you will have the rules for the exemption plus the form. Print off and take with you if they are not familiar with these.
If the dealer is offering to absorb the cost of the tax, ask for an equivalent additional discount. They may be using it as a sales ploy, or unaware that the sale will be tax exempt. Doesn't hurt to ask.
Sometimes you have to educate the sales people.

For the motor, unless used, or possibly inboard, I would buy that in Canada. Warranties on a new motor purchased in the US do not cover Canada. And, from what I have seen, the prices in Canada are usually equal or less.

Good luck
 
I'm asking a few dealers right now if they will sell me just the hull. No trailer and no motors. I will put a call into customs before I take the empty trailer down too. Dealers are probably thinking why does this nut just want the hull and nothing else. I will tell him I'm Canadian once he agrees to sell me just a hull. Also, Fill him in on the trailer issues and motors and waranties etc...
 
Just in case anybody wants to know this too. I called RIV and they said that if I take my own trailer down and pick up the boat. That I don't have to pay the RIV fee. It applies only to the trailer and not the boat. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't applied to the boat.
 
Make sure the GVWR on the trailer you buy is enough to cover the weight of the trailer, boat, motor(s), full fuel/water tanks and all the gear you're likely to have in the boat when you go somewhere. While preparing to purchase another 2452 from the US, I discovered that the trailer we got with our current 2452 is not rated high enough to be legal. For reference, a 2452 is rated in the brochures as weighing 4600 pounds. Our trailer has a GVWR rating of 5500 pounds. When I last weighed the whole unit, complete with a 9.9 4-stroke, all our gear, and half full water and fuel tanks, it tipped the scales at 7500 pounds! Now I'm freaked out about even towing the thing around locally...
 
bump to the top for a fellow fisher...
 
I was just thinking about this thread the other day. Thanks for bumping it up.

I was looking at the boat prices in the SE US. WOW, there are some deals down there. Too bad they are so faaaaaaaaar away. I'd have a hard time buying something with just a survey and pics. Money talks though.
 
quote:Originally posted by Pablo2079

I was just thinking about this thread the other day. Thanks for bumping it up.

I was looking at the boat prices in the SE US. WOW, there are some deals down there. Too bad they are so faaaaaaaaar away. I'd have a hard time buying something with just a survey and pics. Money talks though.

Easy to get around this. Book a flight, and go see, and be sure you're in the game, and sew up the boat down there...then arrange for transport. If you're looking at a BIG boat, you can literally save TENS of thousands!
 
I just bought a boat/motor/trailer from the states.
Follow the tips above and its
Easy, Easy, Easy.
The one thing that took a couple of days was the "decal" on the trailer was partially gone, and I had to get it replaced before Canadian Tire would complete the RIV inspection forms.
To get a new one I had to have Canadian Tire endorse a letter I faxed to the manufacturer, who then sent the shiny new decal.

So, check the trailer to identify the compliance decal before hand and save a few days.

Also, I believe the "binder" policy is 10 days, but only for bringing the boat back. Once home, you can't use the 10 days to trailer around, etc., I believe, you need temporary insurance. Better to check with ICBC and be sure.


Fishin' anywhere anytime for anything
 
Re State taxes-- none in Or. And the Wa State tax is waived if the dealer lists the boat for export on the bill of sale




20ft Alumaweld Intruder
 
Check it.

Costa Mesa Southern California $ 44,500.00

2007 24' Seaswirl Striper 50hrs.


You have to do a lot of home work and search for the charmer , but man I saved a %^ load on this rig.
Oh yeah and did I mention lots of hoops to jump through. Well worth it though in my opinion.

Good luck

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