scott craven
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These were the shutoff stops you used on the wire right ?
Not required as the swivel tied between the braid and the ganyon
becomes your shutoff.
It cannot get pushed up the line like the plastic beads.
Braided DR line for dummies!
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These were the shutoff stops you used on the wire right ?
Not required as the swivel tied between the braid and the ganyon
becomes your shutoff.
It cannot get pushed up the line like the plastic beads.
Olde School
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Thanks, but I still need stopper beads for stacking.
Also, what is ganyon?
Smiley.
Also, what is ganyon?
Smiley.
juandesooka
Active Member
Smiley: scotty makes red sliders that are specifically for nylon line -- less likely to slip.
BUT they do slip once a while, and caused me to lose a couple of ball and clip set-ups. I'm going to try RS Craven's set up, once I figure out what a "ganyon" is. [some kind of line, that I know
]
PS you can get Scotty "Stacker" clips for stacking, don't need beads or anything else. Others on this forum recommend a whole bunch of systems for stacking, but that seems simplest to me.
BUT they do slip once a while, and caused me to lose a couple of ball and clip set-ups. I'm going to try RS Craven's set up, once I figure out what a "ganyon" is. [some kind of line, that I know
]PS you can get Scotty "Stacker" clips for stacking, don't need beads or anything else. Others on this forum recommend a whole bunch of systems for stacking, but that seems simplest to me.
spring time
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i'e had the same problems as mr wood with unexplained brakage. once was when another boat had a fish on and before we could move out of the way it did a wrap aroung the braided stuff and cut it off. as for stacking with the stops I use the red ones but put two back to back and this locks them solid.
scott craven
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I don't stack lines myself, but the red beads are designed for use on braid.
Ganyon is a green cord available in rolls from tackle stores.
(we used it as hand line fishing cod jigs as kids)
By the way, this setup was Tailspin's idea
Thanks Justin !
Ganyon is a green cord available in rolls from tackle stores.
(we used it as hand line fishing cod jigs as kids)
By the way, this setup was Tailspin's idea
Thanks Justin !
the fog ducker
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200lb Power Pro , all the way...
.., Ganyon on the Ball end ( No Clip Slippage ) , 5 - 6 feetish , to a Barrel Swivel, acts as your auto stop bead ,then your Spool of Power Pro , double beads further up when stacking , 4 red beads in total per rod , 2 for preventing release clip slip , 5 or 6 feet above those , 2 more for your auto stop We also fish 15 lbers in 200 - 225 feet , speeds at 3 - 4 knots , Never broke on me , solid set-up , We love it , Serious hours on this set-up this Summer , Thanks to the members on this site , on suggesting this system.. Works awesome ,
Cheers...FD...
.., Ganyon on the Ball end ( No Clip Slippage ) , 5 - 6 feetish , to a Barrel Swivel, acts as your auto stop bead ,then your Spool of Power Pro , double beads further up when stacking , 4 red beads in total per rod , 2 for preventing release clip slip , 5 or 6 feet above those , 2 more for your auto stop We also fish 15 lbers in 200 - 225 feet , speeds at 3 - 4 knots , Never broke on me , solid set-up , We love it , Serious hours on this set-up this Summer , Thanks to the members on this site , on suggesting this system.. Works awesome ,
Cheers...FD...
What is the rot factor on ganyon, a buddy had some problems with it this summer, dont know if it was just him. Also, has anybody been haveing problems with the thinner diameter of the 130 - 150 p/pro screwing up there counter. Most of you guys using the 150lb are running 12lb balls max I assume? A little sketchy for 15lb balls?
the fog ducker
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Ganyon changed color a bit , faded mostly ,no rot, however , now at the end of this past season , it looks worse for wear ,guessing around a 100 - 120 ,hours of dragging, I will change it for the new season , bought a roll of it @ PNT Nanimo , it's inexpensive. I also tried 5 - 6 feet of SS Cable that I saved from my change over, at the Ball ,on the other rigger, just as the Ganyon setup ,to a Barrel swivel first , as auto stop , it also held up very well,
( Note , when using ganyon ,Important , i highly recommend burning the end of it with a lighter ,when you trim the tail off by the knot, prevents it from un-ravelling , like rope ,,)
FD..
( Note , when using ganyon ,Important , i highly recommend burning the end of it with a lighter ,when you trim the tail off by the knot, prevents it from un-ravelling , like rope ,,)
FD..
scott craven
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Yes on the counter issue, seems wire shows pretty accurately
but the thinner braid does show a higher number on the counter
than wire at the same depth.
I use 12 lb balls, but 15 should be no problem as the tensile strength of the braid is the same as wire.
Tailspin
Active Member
I am on the 4th season with Power Pro 200, lost a few balls this summer due to a bad run of ganyon. Lots of naysayers when i first started using it, good to see many have changed their minds now.
Sounds like the schools doggies off (Big Bank) Uci were hard on it with 15s though!
Inovative textiles, who was power pro, has been bought out by Shimmano now...I hope the quality remains the same?
www.tailspincharters.com
Sounds like the schools doggies off (Big Bank) Uci were hard on it with 15s though!
Inovative textiles, who was power pro, has been bought out by Shimmano now...I hope the quality remains the same?
www.tailspincharters.com
Island Fish Lifter
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I dont use "ganion". Normal chord works fine, I bought a thousand foot roll of it for like 25$. Ive been using it for two seasons and never a prob. I dont use ANY hardware either, just use good old knots. Line twist is not an issue. I pull off two full arms lengths of the chord, approx 12'. I double it and tie the loose ends together. I tie a loop in the DR braided line then loop the braid and the chord together, then loop the chord through the cannonball eyelet. The "knot" that joins the braid and the chord together acts as a stopper and works every time. Making it that length allows you to extend your boom and still stops before contacting the release clip.
This is what I do and I put hundreds of hours on it in a season.
Fill the dam tub!
This is what I do and I put hundreds of hours on it in a season.
Fill the dam tub!
Bag-Juan
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What about electrolosis, I've heard that with these braided lines there is none. I also thought that for optimun performance for catching fish some electrlosis was needed. Hence the black box and what-not--- .7 for springs and so-forth. Did this theory get hucked over-board--Just curious as I still have wire on my riggers and no black box.
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Or do only liars fish?
... Are fishermen all liars?
Or do only liars fish?
Rum Buddies
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Sort of.... the Black box was marketed as a magic fish attracting device but I've never heard from anyone who claims that it really helps much.
The benefit of the device would be to correct a boat that was running too hot. You use braid and you take electrolysis out of the equation
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Bag-Juan
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Yeah, seem,s like a bit of a riddle, I know some guy,s swear on the black box. They gotta set it to .5 for this fish & .9 for that fish! Like you say, probably helps if you're running hot. Other-wise just one more gadget to fart around with. Thanx for the come-back.
... Are fishermen all liars?
Or do only liars fish?
... Are fishermen all liars?
Or do only liars fish?
searun
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The whole black box thing is a marketing boom for the manufacturers. Frankly, I was also hooked on it and was hard pressed to move from s/s line to dacron but the guys from Scotty asked me to give it a try for free and let them know what I thought as a guide. I tried it on one unit and kept careful track. There was NO statistical difference in production. That was 4 seasons ago and I have never looked back. For one thing, dacron does not break without warning like S/S line, and for another you don't get line fray requiring time consuming change overs each season. I also get multiple seasons 2 to 3 out of one set of dacron. I would change my s/s line usually twice a season, so the cost is less in the long run when you run dacron.
In the end it is personal choice. One thing I firmly believe is as an angler, I am 100% more productive when i BELIEVE that the gear I'm fishing will catch fish. If I don't have confidence in the gear, my results are poor....so a lot has to do with fishing with confidence in my experience.
Searun
In the end it is personal choice. One thing I firmly believe is as an angler, I am 100% more productive when i BELIEVE that the gear I'm fishing will catch fish. If I don't have confidence in the gear, my results are poor....so a lot has to do with fishing with confidence in my experience.
Searun
Olde School
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IFL, what knot do use to make the loop in the end of the DR braid?
A simple overhand on doubled braid would work but would this knot decrease the strength of the braid?
Thank you.
Smiley.
A simple overhand on doubled braid would work but would this knot decrease the strength of the braid?
Thank you.
Smiley.
beemer
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I have a slightly different system for setting up stacking lines on braid that works well for me. After I spool the braid onto the downrigger I put on 3 single terminal gear leads then put on my swivel , gannion line and terminal gear as previously explained.I put on a ball and drop the ball while sliding the 3 single leads to the desired depth of the stacked line spread. (for me 30-40 feet) I crimp on two leads 6 inches apart to hold the clip then put on a single lead about 5' up the line to hold the stopper. I put a black stopper on below the single lead. You can do this multiple times as long as you put on the leads prior to putting on your swivel.
The advantage of this system is that the line goes into the downrigger much more smoothly and with no hangups. If you do not want to fish a second line remove the single black bead and the downrigger will NOT stop at that spot on the line. I use the black stoppers as they are easier and faster to remove than the red ones.Seems to work great , with no slipping. Any other systems out there for stacking lines?
beemer
The advantage of this system is that the line goes into the downrigger much more smoothly and with no hangups. If you do not want to fish a second line remove the single black bead and the downrigger will NOT stop at that spot on the line. I use the black stoppers as they are easier and faster to remove than the red ones.Seems to work great , with no slipping. Any other systems out there for stacking lines?
beemer
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