Any guides wanna give this guy a call?
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LOL...3 hundred bucks to take 5 on a trip like that...what a joke. How much profit will there be at those prices if he gernades the engines? He will be left scratching his head while the customers thank him for being such a bad business person and walk away leaving him with a big repair bill. Wonder if he is collecting the 12% tax too or is just cash?
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wolf
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And I bet you he isnt DOT approved or have any courses cause if he did he would know he needs to charge more...AGAIN a need for enforcement!!!!!!
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wolf
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Because if he had all the courses and all the safety gear he wouldnt charge such a low amount you cant run a business and put out that kinda money and "TRY" and make money sooner or later they will catch guys like this there time is coming.
I consider them like union scabs.
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I consider them like union scabs.
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tinboatrobb
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Have you never loaded up your car for a road trip so the fuel cost was not all on your head. He says nothing about guiding, just looking for people to help cover the cost of a trip he may make anyway. Only a fool gets on a boat not knowing if it has all the neccesary safety gear etc.
wolf
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So why is it then he wants 5 people "to cover fuel" didnt know a boat at 60 bucks per person with 5 on it costs 300 bucks.
Walks like a duck talks like a duck hhhmmmm must be a duck
Whatever I really dont care what or how it just wrong taking people out he doesnt know you have to ask WHY advertise it then????
Worst case that could happen sombody does this gets into trouble and hurts oneself then what .
THATS why we have proper insurance and training.
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Walks like a duck talks like a duck hhhmmmm must be a duck
Whatever I really dont care what or how it just wrong taking people out he doesnt know you have to ask WHY advertise it then????
Worst case that could happen sombody does this gets into trouble and hurts oneself then what .
THATS why we have proper insurance and training.
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Peahead
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Hi Wolf,
I think some of you have misunderstood this guy .....he clearly mentions looking for 5 guys to cover his costs - The guy is not making any profit at that price nor does he say he wants to so thats why his 6-7 hour trip is only 300 bucks. This would be billed out at about $800.00+ for a guided trip. A 28 foot grady from Nanaimo and back and trolling for 4 hours could easily have a cost to him of 300 bucks. Fuel ( plus oil if 2 stroke) launching, and don't forget wear and tear on boat and motor not to mention all his other costs for storage/maintenance, fising gear, etc etc. Yes he probably wants to get his day paid for to get some fish.
Yes he could get in deep trouble if there was an accident with injuries because his insurance may be void by accepting money, even just for cost toward fuel and expenses. According to TC regs he may also be creating his pleasure craft/trip into that of a commercial use, just by accepting help with fuel ( personally I think thats cr*p though).
If I were guiding again I wouldn't worry about this guy ....he's harmless to you ...but may just get himself into trouble. I don't think he must realize the liability risk/ insurance issue he is taking, when he publicly advertises to accept money for fuel and other expenses.
Peahead
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wow Wolf I didn't even read this post......wooooo slow down a sec. Who mentioned 'run a business' or 'try to make money'? You are making huge assumptions just because the guy doesn't want to cover all his costs himself ? Evidence ? Innocent ubtil proven guilty.....I say not guilty as 300 bucks is obviously not making a profit.
You gonna be upset with me if I take some members out fishing and I take some gas money from them to cover fuel ?
Again stop worrying so much about this guy ....he's not the one you need to report......its the guy whos supposed to be certified but isn't ....and is taking your potential clients away.
Peahead
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Agree with this but just add that he should have his PCOC and ROC just like any other non commercial vessel and operator. Also someone might want to tell the guy he is putting himself at risk liability wise by accepting renumeration for fuel and other expenses ( especially publicly !! )
searun
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Who cares....let him do whatever he wants....false economy thinking that gas money will cover the capital cost depreciation. He will find out the hard way the first time he has a liability claim or dumps an engine. Its a free country, and last time I checked he is free to give it away.
Searun
wolf
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Really not to worried at all about this guy AS SOON as by the DOT law you accept money your commercial thats why most guides have had to do all this stuff.
This is more about awarness and my concern people thinking this is "OK" ands its a "BARGIN"
I really could care less just frustrates me thats all. We have had to endure soooooo much as guides maybe one day it will change thats what I really hope.
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This is more about awarness and my concern people thinking this is "OK" ands its a "BARGIN"
I really could care less just frustrates me thats all. We have had to endure soooooo much as guides maybe one day it will change thats what I really hope.
Good luck Wolf
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I take s few FRIENDS out every year for fun. I never ask for money but they always slip me a few bucks to cover some fuel before they leave. THAT IS NOT A CHARTER! Soliciting online to complete strangers no matter how you word it is a CHARTER. $20.00 per person, $60.00 per person or $300.00 per person doesn't matter...they are all payments for a service. These guys do impact us by driving down the prices us legit guys can charge and making it more difficult to earn a living. I guess it would sink in more if people were advertising they were willing to do your job for $8.00 per hr just to stay busy in their retirement.
Peahead
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Thanks for the feedback profisher ....Ok I can see your point about the difference being that he has advertized a cheap deal to go fishing for strangers on a sales site....ok fair enough, I see your point. Even though we can mostly agree he's not trying to make a profit but just get fuel covered you still think he shouldn't be doing that.....ok get what you are saying. Good point....that could compete with certified guides...I see.
Just one more comment though......what you mention about taking a bit of cash from buddies to help pay for gas on a fun trip... if on a pleasure craft then apparently ( from what I understand from TC) that changes your little fun trip into a commercial transaction/vessel. That, if I have it correct, I find to be just plain TC B*ll cr*p)
Deewar25
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this has been discussed in detail a few times this summer (more so on one of the other forums) - in summary (and this was apparently TC's take on it told to someone on here that asked them directly), if you as an operator ask for cash, you are a commercial enterprise - this Nanaimo guy therefore IS advertising as a commercial entity (who knows, maybe he is, but obviously unlikely given the $$ asked). If the 'guest' just comes on board and hands money to the operator unsolicited, even though the wording may imply that makes it commercial, TC said they have no issue with that.
Obviously if this is a regular occurrence and they have a different group of people onboard every day without a commercial license, they will likely come after you, but a casual fishing trip with buddies or something of the sort...no biggee.
That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned and since they don't even seem to give a crap about more important enforcement, I'm thinking this gray area will never be touched except in very obvious underground charter for a living situations.
Obviously if this is a regular occurrence and they have a different group of people onboard every day without a commercial license, they will likely come after you, but a casual fishing trip with buddies or something of the sort...no biggee.
That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned and since they don't even seem to give a crap about more important enforcement, I'm thinking this gray area will never be touched except in very obvious underground charter for a living situations.
wolf
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Thanks pro and deewar just what I was trying to get accross. I just dont want to work for 8 bucks and hour and I doubt anyone on here would too??? do you???As pro says knocks down the real charter guys.
Thanks
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Doug
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Here is the DFO definition:
2. How do I know if my vessel should be classified as a commercial or pleasure vessel?
A non-pleasure or commercial vessel is a vessel charging for service, including the carriage of passengers. In most cases, it is easy to distinguish a non-pleasure vessel from a pleasure craft based on its use. If you are a commercial fishing vessel or you are profiting in any way by transporting cargo or passengers, you are operating a commercial vessel. A fare does not have to be paid for the person to be considered a passenger. Any type of business relationship between you and the person on board, where you receive any form of payment or profit for the use of the vessel, even if not directly from the persons carried, makes your vessel a non-pleasure (commercial) vessel.
Please refer to Ship Safety Bulletin No. 14/2000, Differentiation between "Pleasure Vessel" and Other Vessels.
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2. How do I know if my vessel should be classified as a commercial or pleasure vessel?
A non-pleasure or commercial vessel is a vessel charging for service, including the carriage of passengers. In most cases, it is easy to distinguish a non-pleasure vessel from a pleasure craft based on its use. If you are a commercial fishing vessel or you are profiting in any way by transporting cargo or passengers, you are operating a commercial vessel. A fare does not have to be paid for the person to be considered a passenger. Any type of business relationship between you and the person on board, where you receive any form of payment or profit for the use of the vessel, even if not directly from the persons carried, makes your vessel a non-pleasure (commercial) vessel.
Please refer to Ship Safety Bulletin No. 14/2000, Differentiation between "Pleasure Vessel" and Other Vessels.
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