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Rockfish said:
Had the first shot of Moderna a little over a month ago. The first day there were no symptoms. On the second day and lasting for about three days there was some tenderness in the shoulder where I got the shot, but it was only noticeable if you pushed in on the spot with your other hand. In short no negative symptoms at all other than what I get sometimes with the standard annual flu shot.

As someone who was designated 'At Extreme Medical Risk' I am waiting for the second shot. The govt. is taking a lot of heat for including Extreme Risk patients such as Cancer patients on Chemo in the "you must wait 4 months for the second dose" category. Apparently the science is showing that many patients in the category have a significantly weaker response to the first shot compared to others who are not in that category and really need the second shot to bring up their immune response to Covid-19 to at least a modestly acceptable level. I would not be surprised if they correct that decision soon and prioritize extreme risk patients for the second shot.
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That's terrible and I am sorry to her this. How the hell can the government worry about giving first shoots to teenagers and even kids who literally have no chance of dying from covid, instead of fast tracking second shots to high risk individuals?!?!

The focus should not be on Zero cases. Instead it should be on protecting lives and reducing hospitalization.

Alberta will give second shots sooner to pepole who need them. They say a doctor note is all that is needed. However they will give it based on honor system I have heard. The nurse who gave me my shot said if you come in & say you need your second shot sooner they will not deny giving you it. The majority of AB vaccine deployment had been on the honor system.

Hopefully BC will start doing the same so folks like yourself can breath easier.
 
Sea lyin’ said:
$575. It’s a start but should be at least high enough to recover a cerb payment. And at least no license renewal til it’s paid.
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I will be suprised if it holds up in court. If it was me I would take it to court. Especially when out of province & international travelers can travel freely.
 
yeah , I guess we’ll see. Hopefully he does and we hear about it on the news. Buddy was on the news today saying you could try to fight it but good luck with that.
 
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ILHG said:
What's your thoughts on adding natural immunizations? Is it a case of horse before the carriage unitil more is known? I have read conflicting points on it & for me I feel the jury is still out, depending on when the person was infected. Like so many other things right now it evolves as we know more.?
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It's not clear to me if Alberta will make the 70% or 75% mark at this point. Vaccine hesitancy is rather strong there. Will an extra 5% matter when you can't get new arms to put them in? Laser focus needs to be on this problem but it looks like other issues are going to get in the way. Be on guard for "distractions" that muddy the waters.
Good luck and take care.
 
ILHG said:
That's terrible and I am sorry to her this. How the hell can the government worry about giving first shoots to teenagers and even kids who literally have no chance of dying from covid, instead of fast tracking second shots to high risk individuals?!?!

The focus should not be on Zero cases. Instead it should be on protecting lives and reducing hospitalization.

Alberta will give second shots sooner to pepole who need them. They say a doctor note is all that is needed. However they will give it based on honor system I have heard. The nurse who gave me my shot said if you come in & say you need your second shot sooner they will not deny giving you it. The majority of AB vaccine deployment had been on the honor system.

Hopefully BC will start doing the same so folks like yourself can breath easier.
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I agree with this - I get that there's an argument that vaccinating the people who are circulating it most, has a proportionally greater effect on overall spread, but in the case of what I would assume is a fairly small number of people at extreme risk, I think we should really be getting them fully vaccinated as fast as humanly possible. It's hard to imagine that there's so many people in that category that it would have an appreciable effect on the larger picture. What are we talking about, maybe a tenth of a percent of the population? Not getting shot #1 to one out of every thousand teenagers for an extra few weeks isn't going to make a difference. Getting that shot to someone who's seriously immunocompromised is a literal life-saver. I think that's really bad planning on the part of whoever's responsible for that particular link in the chain.
 
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https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/register
 

Delayed second Pfizer COVID-19 shot produces more antibodies -study​


May 13, 2021

Pfizer's (PFE.N) COVID-19 vaccine generates antibody responses three-and-a-half times larger in older people when a second dose is delayed to 12 weeks after the first, a British study said.

The study released on Friday is the first to directly compare immune responses of the Pfizer shot from the three-week dosing interval tested in clinical trials, and the extended 12-week interval that British officials recommend in order to give more vulnerable people at least some protection quickly.

After Britain moved to extend the interval between doses, Pfizer and vaccine partner BioNTech said there was no data to back up the move. However, Pfizer has said that public health considerations outside of the clinical trials might be taken into consideration. read more

"Our study demonstrates that peak antibody responses after the second Pfizer vaccine are markedly enhanced in older people when this is delayed to 12 weeks," Helen Parry, an author of the study based at the University of Birmingham, said.
Britain began rolling out Pfizer's vaccine before changing dosing policy, meaning a small number of people who got the shot early received the second shot three weeks later.

The study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, looked at 175 people aged between 80 and 99, and found that extending the second dose interval to 12 weeks increased the peak antibody response 3.5-fold compared to those who had it at three weeks.

Antibodies are one part of the immune system, and vaccines also generate T cells. The peak T cell responses were higher in the group with a 3 week interval between doses, and the authors warned against drawing conclusions on how protected individuals were based on which dosing schedule they received.

However, taken with data showing good protection against hospitalisation and death from just one shot of Pfizer vaccine, Public Health England said the study was further supportive evidence in favour of Britain's approach.

"The approach taken in the UK for delaying that second dose has really paid off," Gayatri Amirthalingam, Consultant Epidemiologist at Public Health England, told reporters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...them&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
 
The US is officially back to normal, even Biden has ditched his masks! The US has more than enough vaccines available for anyone who wants them, aged 12 years old and up. They are saying vaccines are available if you want one. If you choose not to get vaccinated you are putting yourself at risk, and that's your choice, and government is no longer going to impose restrictions to protect you from yourself.

 
Port Eliza Fishing said:
The US is officially back to normal, even Biden has ditched his masks! The US has more than enough vaccines available for anyone who wants them, aged 12 years old and up. They are saying vaccines are available if you want one. If you choose not to get vaccinated you are putting yourself at risk, and that's your choice, and government is no longer going to impose restrictions to protect you from yourself.

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Looks like they are partly using it as a tool to get more adoption too. The guidance seems to imply that as long as you are 2 weeks post-second dose then you basically are good to go. Hopefully, it works. It does make sense to me that once you are fully vaccinated and are at low risk of spreading the disease to get back to normal.
 
Port Eliza Fishing said:
The US is officially back to normal, even Biden has ditched his masks!
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Not really, but one step closer. You can ditch the masks if you are fully vaccinated, but can't if you are not. Also, vaccinated or not, there are still restrictions on planes, trains, airports etc. Still, a big step forward and hopefully we will see a similar response here soon. "Normal" as in pre-pandemic is still a ways off IMO even for the US.
 
Does the US have a robust Proof of Vaccination document? In the real world, there will be no way for business owners and employers to tell who is telling the truth about their vaccine status. Basically anyone that doesn't want to wear a mask anymore can now claim they've had the shot and no one can really say otherwise.
 
ILHG said:
I will be suprised if it holds up in court. If it was me I would take it to court. Especially when out of province & international travelers can travel freely.
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We really do have weak legislation on quarantine and travel during an emergency. Can see why Dr Henry has followed her policy of persuasion through information - she knew there wasn't a big stick to back up a zero tolerance approach.

BCCLU on Global news tonight advising people decline to speak to police if stopped at travel check point.
 
sly_karma said:
Does the US have a robust Proof of Vaccination document? In the real world, there will be no way for business owners and employers to tell who is telling the truth about their vaccine status. Basically anyone that doesn't want to wear a mask anymore can now claim they've had the shot and no one can really say otherwise.
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According to the nightly news they do not and that's unfortunate because how in hell are businesses etc, suppose to police this. No way without some sort of vaccine passport. Ooooops, I forgot. That would be a violation of our civil liberties.
 
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Got the moderna shot yesterday at noon. Side effects of sore shoulder, waking up in the night shivering like crazy but not actually cold??!
When I walked to the bathroom I felt light headed.
I had the chills today. Took a couple tylenol and advil and had a decent sleep. Feeling better now.
 
Dr Campbell said that some people get the shivers as your body is trying to generate a fever to fight the virus or in your case an immune response to the vaccine.

Perfectly normal and common response.
 
I should mention that I did have covid. Got it back on April 14. Recovered in 2 weeks without too many issues. Definitely not fun.
 
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