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There are plenty of experts who disagree 100% with the global government response. This Dr Hodkinson will get called a quack even though he has credentials to assert an opinion. The best part is he's in a position to benefit financially from this fiasco as his company administers covid tests and he's still offering the contrarian sentiment. Seems like an easier person to trust than some government appointed doctor. I had lunch today with 3 of my buddies, we sat in a booth 2 feet from eachother and had lunch and beers, but I can't invite them over to my house by provincial mandate? It's actually laughable that more people aren't asking questions.... Dr Bonnie Stalin is in complete control

Some of the regulations don’t make sense do they. Restaurants, Night Clubs can be open and serve yet places of worship are held to 1/3 capacity or being shut down altogether. I don’t know, some of these regulations just seem all to convenient for the governments. Seems some are relishing the power just a little to much for my liking.
 
They seem like they are doing everything they can to keep buisness open


Travel for mountain sports​

Ski and snowboard at your local mountain. For example, if you live in Vancouver, you should ski at Cypress, Grouse or Mt. Seymour.
 
I guess the Gov drug and alcohol essential services stores will have to be masked now. Was in a Gov liquor store last week and no employees had masks on. And the crazyness continues.

HM
 
On way to mulie camp! It is true they can’t legally stop travel without the federal emergency act. It’s in our charter of rights and freedoms (freedom of mobility).

be safe people, use common sense. That is all.
The travel one seems to be a request or recommendation...not an order.

Good luck out there.
 
The travel one seems to be a request or recommendation...not an order.

Good luck out there.


Hunting as an essential service​

Hunting for the purpose of providing food is considered an essential service under the food cultivation section of Ministerial Order No. M120.

Hunting species which do not require the retrieval of edible portions is considered recreational. You only can hunt recreationally if you follow the PHO orders and guidance. Local hunting will often be considered an essential service. Travel to hunt is recreational.
 
And the big question, which vaccine will you take. There will be more than one.
Do i want to be a lab rat for mRNA vaccine or wait for a traditional one that has 30+years worth of safety data that is the question?

 
That Pfizer one needs -70 storage which will limit where it could be administered
Dry Ice (CO2) is -78C and if needed Liquid Nitrogen is -90C. Canada has plenty of each and is up for the task.
 
Dry Ice (CO2) is -78C and if needed Liquid Nitrogen is -90C. Canada has plenty of each and is up for the task.
Our illustrious Prime Minister has already spoken about the challenging logistics for this vaccine
 
We can pat ourselves on the back all we want but all we are doing is trading Covid deaths for other deaths and bigger problems down the road. We can’t save everyone on this planet and it’s sad but as the covid deaths get lower the suicides, abuse, drug addictions, homelessness all climb because of these rediculous government mandates rules. Anyhow , I’m off to the gym. I’m allowed to run on a treadmill there with no mask arguably breathing harder running than anything else in life and then when I’m done I take 20 steps to the left and throw a mask on and grab the weights. Makes a lot of sense. If the government wants to tell us what to do at our homes and in our day to day lives maybe they should pay my bills.
 
Influenza/ILI Activity (geographic spread)

The flu is almost non existant this year due to the precautions people are taking to avoid Covid. Masks, hand washing and sanitizers work. I really don't get the push back for these simple measures. Our condo building sent out a notice that masks are mandatory in the halls, elevator and parking garage. Can this be enforced, no. Am I going to wear a mask, damn rights. It's one for all and all for one in my mind.
 
I strongly concur. It is damn tough to not be somewhat confused buy it all.

Leading Canadian Health Expert Outraged at Government Response to COVID

Dr. Roger Hodkinson, MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP, CEO and medical director of Western Medical Assessments, spoke at the Edmonton City Council Community and Public Services Committee meeting on Nov. 13 about the city’s move to extend its face-covering bylaw. He was listed as speaker number 95 on the meeting agenda.

Thank you very much. I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter. What I’m going to say is lay language, and blunt. It is counter-narrative, and so you don’t immediately think I’m a quack, I’m going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of knowledge base in all of this.

I’m a medical specialist in pathology which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge University in the UK. I’m the ex-president of the pathology section of the Medical Association. I was previously an assistant professor in the Faculty of Medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee and Pathology in Ottawa, but more to the point I’m currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the COVID-19 test.

And [inaudible] you might say I know a little bit about all of this. The bottom line is simply this: There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It’s outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus. Other than protecting older, more vulnerable people. It should be thought of as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not Ebola. It’s not SARS. It’s politics playing medicine and that’s a very dangerous game.

There is no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year when we felt unwell. We stayed home, we took chicken noodle soup, we didn’t visit granny and we decided when we would return to work. We didn’t need anyone to tell us.

Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue-signaling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people — I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense — seeing these people walking around like lemmings, obeying without any knowledge base, to put the mask on their face.

Social distancing is also useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing. Enclosures have had such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be opened tomorrow as well as was stated in the Great Barrington Declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on testing: I do want to emphasize that I’m in the business of testing for COVID. I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection. It’s simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop. Unless you’re presenting to the hospital with some respiratory problem.

All that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing homes that are under your control, give them all 3,000 to 5,000 international units of vitamin D every day which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of Infection.

And I would remind you all that using the province’s own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000. One in 300,000. You’ve got to get a grip on this.

The scale of the response that you are undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous given the consequences of acting in a way that you’re proposing. All kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals, weddings etc. It’s simply outrageous! It’s just another bad flu and you’ve got to get your minds around that.

Let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine. You’re being led down the garden path by the chief medical officer of health for this province. I am absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow.

Credentials:

Medical specialist in pathology which includes virology.

Trained at Cambridge University in the UK.

Ex-president of the pathology section of the Medical Association.

Previously an assistant professor in the Faculty of Medicine doing a lot of teaching.

Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee and Pathology in Ottawa

Currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the COVID-19 test.

It would appear to me that he is a lot more qualified than most to address these matters, and at the least, his opinion should be given due consideration as a consequence.


You may also wish to look into the Great Barrington Declaration he mentions, including the list of prominent professionals that have signed onto that. It is a lengthy list, and the credentials are eye-opening to say the least.

I can fully understand how many become confused on these issues. I am myself at this point. That said, my personal SawBones is still keeping me under a modified isolation regime. One that I have followed diligently, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Cheers,
Nog
Too many red flags for me to take this guy seriously. Listen to your doctor, as you said you are doing, he will keep you safe. Personally, I want to lock horns with you for many years to come.

I did a quick dive on this doctor and was troubled by the inconsistency of his words.

He said it was a hoax, clearly many don't follow his view - Red flag for me.

"Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee and Pathology in Ottawa"
Not according to Royal College of Physicians of Canada - Red flag for me.
We would like to clarify that Dr. Hodkinson is not nor has ever held the position of chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.
http://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/cla...ade-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

"Currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the COVID-19 test."
I looked and could not find him on any company selling a covid test kit in North Carolina - Red Flag for me

Your source "childrenshealthdefense.org" is an anti-Vaxx organization - Red Flag for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense


That's three strikes (plus one) your out in my book.
Not going to waste anymore time on this.
GLG
 
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Too many red flags for me to take this guy seriously. Listen to your doctor, as you said you are doing, he will keep you safe. Personally, I want to lock horns with you for many years to come.

I did a quick dive on this doctor and was troubled by the inconsistency of his words.

He said it was a hoax, clearly many don't follow his view - Red flag for me.

"Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee and Pathology in Ottawa"
Not according to Royal College of Physicians of Canada - Red flag for me.
We would like to clarify that Dr. Hodkinson is not nor has ever held the position of chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.
http://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/cla...ade-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

"Currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the COVID-19 test."
I looked and could not find him on any company selling a covid test kit in North Carolina - Red Flag for me

Your source "childrenshealthdefense.org" is an anti-Vaxx organization - Red Flag for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense


That's three strikes (plus one) your out in my book.
Not going to waste anymore time on this.
GLG
Thank you, I appreciate your breakdown. This is consistent with the pseudo stories that started appearing in March, but so often they don’t get challenged and misinformation spreads faster than the truth.
 
Too many red flags for me to take this guy seriously. Listen to your doctor, as you said you are doing, he will keep you safe. Personally, I want to lock horns with you for many years to come.

Thanks. Ditto.

That said you can easily see the point I was making.
Articles with lengthy lists of on-the-surface experienced professionals with listed credentials CONFUSE the hell out of the issue.

Of course I will continue to err on the side of caution and follow my SawBone's orders. I do want to be around for a spell longer after all.

Just saying it is damned easy to become confused over the entire matter these days with the inundation of information, and misinformation that is being pushed.

Cheers,
Nog
 
I find the whole thing negative myself. This thread, and the endless posts on social media. We all don't know what is going to happen.

We can discuss this thing till we are blue in face, and it won't change anything. The only one that has control right now is the virus.

I would suggest people just protect themselves best they can. If you own a business just work hard, and don't focus on the negativity. Spend time with family etc., and just take care of your mental health. Like taking boat out?

Stay off Facebook, and debates with people who is right or wrong. In many cases no one is right anyway.
 
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