Well Wolf, I do appreciate the advice you and several others have given me over the years. That part has been great. And thx for the advice , if that is what it is, you are now offering, although I find it a bit "coded" and not easy for a simpleton like me to understand. The problem is Wolf, that you have occupied Mount Olympus, where you and the rest of the fishing gods do dwell, for so long you are unable to relate to lowly peasants and peons like me. I do not fish every day so I can never aspire to the detailed insights and knowledge you have. My original post, in response to a question on here was an honest view from the trenches, where the regular Joes like me live. Over the mere 12 years I have been at this, compared to August, I have found chinook in September uncertain, capricious, spotty and difficult. But go ahead, from your lofty heights, continue to pour your wrath, scorn and derision upon lowly plains dwellers like me. I have come to expect nothing less from mighty gods, fishing or otherwise! LOL