WCVI Commercial Chinook openings

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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 07:41:30
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Can someone explain why DFO continues to allow a commercial chinook troll fishery off WCVI in areas 23,24,25 26,27????. There has been a fishery on and off all winter and spring. The latest opening was May 1-5. Total estimated chinook catch was 8,500 pieces. Many inside fish migrate down the outside.....

At a time when DFO is telling us there are fewer and fewer fish, imposed reduced or no retention limits, they continue to defy logic by allowing these commercial fisheries.

Thoughts?????
 
It looks like commerical chinook fishery going after american fish and some canadian fish. In my mind, DFO still supports the commerical fishery. I hate to say that in my opinion...when the commerical fisheries wipe off the fish stocks, then commericals and DFO officers may lose their jobs in the coming years unless DFO must manage the fishery properly.
 
Ah geez, here we go again! [xx(]

The Area G Troll Fleet (WCVI) happens to be one of the most aggressively regulated fisheries in Canada at this point. Just a few scant years ago, the fleet was comprised of literally hundreds of active trollers. Following several buy-back programs, and limiting openings to the point that the industry is now but barely viable, the fleet now numbers less than a hundred such boats.

Catch rates are severly restricted, and monitored on a daily basis (failure to comply results in charges or Licence suspension). These catch rates are defined by the Pacific Salmon Commission, in consultation with Stock Assessment, PSARC and overly reflective of concerns regarding "stocks of concern" (those with lower numbers). At ANY indication that such stocks might be intercepted, the related area is immediately closed to any extraction.

Historically, the fleet operated from ~ April 15 through to mid or late September, and was active the entire length of the WCVI (and in fact up around the top and down the inside as well). Today's openings begin in January (with extremely limited numbers) and have limited quota-based openings in February, March, April and into the first couple of days of May. Originally this design was implemented to address concerns regarding coho (then the openings extended into July), however each and every year the Dino comes up with a new "stock of concern" to further restrict operations.

A note for us sporties that should be understood by all:
Most of the stocks labelled of concern are NOT fished by any commercial operations at this point. The LARGEST hit those stocks take is from US (the sport fleet) and ongoing FN harvest regimes. The reason DFO limits the troll fleet is that is the easiest target for them to regulate (even while realizing internally that this effort will/does have extremely little impact towards reducing impact on troubgled stocks - but hey, at least the Appearance of doing Something is there to drag out when questioned in this regard!)
It is simply a matter of time before we too will be regulated to increasingly smaller openings, complete with individual catch quotas designed specifically to limit our activities on the water. That move is already afoot folks, this WILL happen, and WILL indeed impact all of us who ply the salt.

The WCVI troll fleet has been limited to targetting on US originating stocks for a considerable time now (under the auspices of the Salmon Commission, and much to the chagrin of southern west-coastal States). Impacts to our own fish are neglible via this particular sector, "our" fish are instead literally hammered while in Alaskan waters (which Washington obviously cannot control - they are indeed their own entity unto themselves when it comes to fisheries and many many other management areas).

In the days of hundreds of trollers hunting the coast through the much longer season, there was a possibility of over extraction occuring on a regular basis. With today's severely limited and quota based programs, that possibility is as close to nil as you and I catching a huge sturgeon out on La Perouse. The hook and line fishery this entails is more than sustainable, produces the highest quality product for market, and directly supports many (if not most) of our coastal communities. A far larger threat to the stocks is the net fisheries, both gillnet and seine, and of course in-river FN fisheries. If any future collapses are caused by excessive removal, that is where the problem will orginate, not with the troll fleet by any means!

Finally, the quota for May's opening was set at 10,000 chinook. The number (8,500) quoted above was based on the catch including the entire west side of the Island (basically from Hardy down through 123), and was IMHO an extrapolation based on erronous data. I sincerely believe that once all the numbers (real</u> that is) are added up corectly, the final tally will come in considerably less than that, and certainly so in the areas queried in the original post.

We, as sporties, have a LOT more in common with the troll fleet than many perceive. We hunt the same fish (albiet in differing time frames) with largely the same gear. And mark my words, we WILL be subject to the same type of restrictions these folks have had thrust upon them, and soon. Perhaps instead of whining about the supposed impacts of that fleet, we might want to open a dialogue with them, try to make them our allies, and LEARN from the disasterous restrictions imposed on them before it's too late for us!

Shakin' my ol' Noggin over here...
Nog
 
Thank you for taking the time to give us another perspective on our fishery, Matt.
We are not too far away from big changes in the sport fishery, and it will be very interesting to hear the hoopla that it generates, albiet, too late for consulation at that point.
Not much point in protesting with pitch forks and torches in hand, when the gates are closed for good.
Get invloved with the process now or forever hold your peace.
Either that or re-rig your boats with wake board gear.
 
10,000 feeder springs in todays fishery situation still sounds like a lot no matter who says what. How many springs did the entire west coast sports fishing industry catch last year? How much did they spend doing it? Thats a noggin shaker!
 
Thanks for the informed reply, Nog. It's a complex business and often not served well by knee jerk reactions.
T2
 
Very imforative post there Nog!


quote:The Area G Troll Fleet (WCVI) happens to be one of the most aggressively regulated fisheries in Canada at this point. Just a few scant years ago, the fleet was comprised of literally hundreds of active trollers. Following several buy-back programs, and limiting openings to the point that the industry is now but barely viable, the fleet now numbers less than a hundred such boats.


During this buy back, I spent a LOT of my time working outside the country. I never realized just how drasticly the fleets #'s were reduced.

WOW!


quote:..."our" fish are instead literally hammered while in Alaskan waters (which Washington obviously cannot control - they are indeed their own entity unto themselves when it comes to fisheries and many many other management areas).

Sad but true IMO.
The international salmon fishery's are caught up in a pi**ing match type of war with no real end in sight.


quote:...A far larger threat to the stocks is the net fisheries, both gillnet and seine, and of course in-river FN fisheries. If any future collapses are caused by excessive
removal, that is where the problem will orginate, not with the troll fleet by any means!

I don't beleive us Sporties would have much impact on these fishery's also. Albeit, our passions do contribute imensely to local industry/economy but how many fish does the average guy take plying the chuck each season?

But one has to remember that the influx of contributions doesn't necsasary equate to the impact of the resource/stocks.

I personaly have never max'd out my Chinook quota for a year since it was introduced and know of VERY few that do (one to be exact). Many of the anglers that I refer to are more that capable of doing so but for whatever reasons choose not to.

Then there's the multitude of guys that just LOVE to be out there trying to catch something, but for some reason can't seem to get dialed in. If they catch 1 or 3 fish a season after MANY hours...days....weeks of trying, they still can't go without a licence for the next season. How many people do we know of personaly that are like this? How many do we come across on this site alone, looking for feedback?? How many licenses do these types account for???



Other than a SECONDED!! I don't know what more I could add.

Thanks for the info. :)
Mr. Dean.
 
Remember when sporties had the possession limits of 16 chinook per person. That was the day. Come home with your limit of 16 tyee's, now that a catch. Then the guest you guided the year earlier steps into your boat and say's : lets go tub out, I had to throw out all my fish- it became all freezer burnt!
That's the sad fact of some of our rectional fisherman. Some are just as bad or worse than the commercial fleet.
Just MIO
CS out
 
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