Springs may be poor on WCVI this year

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I was pretty optomistic for Springs this year on WCVI based on 2009 and other factors. This may not hold up-just heard that the Alaskan troll fishery is doing very poorly-as in "no fish". This is a very bad sign and I have no reason to doubt the source-any commies-Nog-etc care to comment?
 
Wonder if that's why the red flags came up.
 
From my understanding the offshore fishery will be great. Columbia River is expecting a record run of fall chinook (over 700,000) and over a million coho. A lot of the California rivers are expecting better than the past 10 year average as well. The actual WCVI rivers aren't expected to do great, but the actual fishery should still remain strong thanks to the US bound runs.
 
Well....in another thread on another site there is a rant going about how the Russians and Chinese up there in the Bering sea are murdering Chinooks as a bycatch with their "draggers" and other methods.
 
No doubt that time will tell-my wife says I do this every year,LOL Still the news out of Alaska causes concern!! Better get back to the brake job I thought I finished before I left for the winter!!
 
Well....in another thread on another site there is a rant going about how the Russians and Chinese up there in the Bering sea are murdering Chinooks as a bycatch with their "draggers" and other methods.

Can you share a link?
 
It's not the Russians and the Chinese---it's the US flagged pollock fleet. Big chinook by-catch during the mid-water pollock fisheries. Big bone of contention in Alaska because the Yukon chinook returns have been dismal for several years in a row now and some would lay those dismal returns squarely at the feet of the pollock trawlers

Truth is, Alaska is having an across-the-board dismal return of chinook and it's been happening for several years now. Nobody has come up with a cogent answer as to why. It ain't habitat. There's some oceanographic stuff going on but nobody's put their finger on exactly what, where, when and why.

Yes, the Columbia River is expecting strong returns:

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OLYMPIA – Fishing prospects look bright this year for chinook in Washington’s ocean waters and the Columbia River, according to preseason salmon forecasts released today at a public meeting in Olympia.

Columbia River: Nearly 678,000 fall chinook are expected to return to the Columbia River this season. About 80 percent of those fish are “bright” stocks, most of which are destined for areas above Bonneville Dam, including the Hanford Reach and Snake River.

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A lot of those fish get intercepted off WCVI. Barkley Sound would be real quiet in May and June for 'nook it it weren't for these fish

That being said......hey guys, please refrain from dissing us Yanks when we come up to fish "your" waters---we're just trying to get a return on our investment....ha ha
 
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To answer your question Sculpin.......it's on Fish Tactics site.........posted by SpringKingCubaKing (aka Gordon Robinson...who used to manufacture tackle out of Sooke back in the day but now lives over in Port Alberni). Sharphooks:- we would never 'diss you guys......where the heck else are we going to buy boats that are half the price they are in Canada?.....
 
That being said......hey guys, please refrain from dissing us Yanks when we come up to fish "your" waters---we're just trying to get a return on our investment....ha ha
Sharp Hooks, if it wasn't for the incredible dedication that your Washington and Oregon hatcheries put forth, we poor Canadians would be nearly completely destitute for chinook AND about half our coho fishery out anywhere along the WCVI. And for that, I welcome you and all your country men and women to come up and fish our waters. If we had a government with foresight, we may be able to reap the benefit of a Canadian contribution to the Canadian catch numbers. All anglers who get to fish out there should always keep this in mind.

Having said that, we also suffer fom the migration-interruptis of our fish as "your" countrymen in Alaska rape and pillage ours, yours, the Oregonians' and the Californians' fish stocks long before anyone else gets a chance at them. If we could collectively find a way to stop the overharvest that the Alaskans do to all the Southern Stocks, we could all experience yesteryears of days of glory

Cheers
 
Everybody's feeling the pain, finaddict-- the math below supports a 34% hit on quota--

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ADF&G Announces 2013 Southeast Alaska Chinook Salmon Harvest Quota

(Juneau) – Under provisions of the Pacific Salmon Treaty, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) announces that the preseason Chinook salmon all-gear harvest quota for Southeast Alaska in 2013 is 176,000 fish. This year’s quota is 90,000 fish lower than the 2012 allowable preseason Chinook all-gear harvest level of 266,800.

The annual all-gear quota for Southeast Alaska is determined by the Chinook Technical Committee of the Pacific Salmon Commission. The quota is based on the forecast of an aggregate abundance of Pacific Coast Chinook salmon stocks subject to management under the treaty. Most Chinook salmon produced in Alaska hatcheries may be harvested in addition to the annual treaty limit.

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I'm not so sure the decrease in ECVI and WCVI springs is purely a result of an Alaskan bushwack--- A number of years ago climatologists, oceanographers and fishery biologists were predicting that due to oceanographic temperature fluctuations, the next decade would see much larger chinook returns to California and Oregon at the expense of Alaska and Washington (and of course, BC)

California was awash in chinook last year. Prices went through the floorboards. And Alaska was singing the blues because nobody could get no 'nooky.


Don't take my word for it:

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September 14, 2012
How have low Chinook salmon returns affected Alaskans?

This year, many Alaskans in the Yukon, Kuskokwim and Cook Inlet regions are suffering from the effects of low returns of Chinook salmon. Fishery closures and restrictions necessary for conservation resulted in a great burden on Alaskans who rely on Chinook salmon for food and income. The State of Alaska recognizes the hardships that management restrictions have caused subsistence, sport, and commercial fishermen, as well as guides, local fish processors, and other local and regional businesses.
What areas of Alaska were affected by low Chinook returns?

Chinook salmon runs in a number of areas of the state fell well below expected levels. Strict fishery management actions were necessary in the efforts to meet escapement objectives and ensure sustained yield. Chinook salmon fisheries were curtailed and fisheries for other more abundant salmon species were limited in areas where their harvest could affect weakened Chinook runs.

Weak returns of Chinook salmon to the Yukon and Kuskokwim River resulted in extensive restrictive management actions in the subsistence and commercial fisheries. The commercial Chinook salmon fishery on the Yukon was closed and the subsistence fishery significantly restricted. On the Kuskokwim River, conservation of Chinook salmon required substantial restriction of commercial and subsistence fisheries for Chinook and other salmon species.

Emergency orders were issued restricting sport fisheries for Chinook salmon in Upper Cook Inlet fresh and salt waters. Commercial set gillnetting was closed for much of the season in the Kenai, Kasilof, and East Foreland sections of the Upper Subdistrict. In the Northern District, the commercial setnet fishery was restricted and in-river sport fisheries were tightly constrained to conserve Chinook salmon.
What are the economic impacts of low Chinook returns?

Commercial fishing for Chinook salmon on the Yukon and Kuskokwim, which is an important source of income in those regions, was closed. While the Chinook fishery on the Yukon generated an average annual harvest value of $1.5 million over the preceding ten years, this year the fishery was closed and the revenue from the fishery was $0. In order to conserve Chinook salmon, commercial harvest of available chum salmon was restricted on the Yukon. On the Kuskokwim, both chum and sockeye salmon harvests were restricted and the overall value generated by the commercial salmon fishery fell to less than 50% of the average seen in the preceding five years. Subsistence fisheries on both the Yukon and the Kuskokwim Rivers were restricted such that the amounts of Chinook necessary for subsistence may not have been met.

Poor returns of Chinook salmon to the Kenai River lead to closures of the Kenai River Chinook salmon sport fishery and the East side set gillnet commercial fishery. The $1.1 million exvessel value of the harvest in the set gillnet fishery was about 10% of the recent five-year average. The sport fishery harvest of Chinook salmon was 103 fish which was 99% below the recent five-year average. A study commissioned by ADF&G showed that sport angler expenditures for sport fishing in Cook Inlet totaled $732 million dollars in 2007.

Northern Cook Inlet area Chinook salmon runs were well below average leading to significant restriction of the Northern District set gillnet fishery and the in-river Chinook sport fisheries. Restriction of the sport and commercial fisheries had significant economic impact on commercial fishers, processors, guides, lodges and other businesses that depend on these fisheries.
What is causing low returns of Chinook salmon in Alaska?

Numerous physical and biological factors can influence production and survival of Chinook salmon. Changes in survival during the transition of Chinook salmon smolt from fresh water to salt water can significantly alter run strengths at local, regional, and statewide scales. Chinook salmon run strength can be significantly affected by environmental conditions in the saltwater rearing habitats. Colder ocean temperatures can affect both Chinook food source availability and distribution and the abundance of predators that feed on rearing salmon.
What is the Alaska Department of Fish and Game doing in response to low Chinook returns?

On July 20, Governor Parnell and Commissioner Campbell announced that a team of fisheries scientists are working on a comprehensive research plan to better understand Chinook salmon abundance and productivity and increase understanding behind this unexpected widespread decline. ADF&G members working on the gap analysis and research plan include Bob Clark, Eric Volk, Andrew Munro, Steve Fleischman, Jim Fall, Bill Templin, and Ed Jones. The science team will hold a Chinook salmon symposium on October 22 and 23 at the Egan Convention Center in Anchorage that will include fishery experts and scientists.

Consistent with the state's constitutional and statutory mandate to manage renewable resources to provide sustained yield, ADF&G plans to work closely with the Alaska Board of Fisheries (Board) in the upcoming Board cycle to ensure that Chinook salmon are conserved while providing for opportunities on the more abundant species of salmon where possible.

ADF&G is engaged in efforts in collaboration with constituents to evaluate fishing gear and management strategies that conserve Chinook while allowing selective harvest of more abundant species.
What are the State of Alaska and Federal Government doing to help affected Alaskans?

Governor Parnell requested fishery disaster determinations from the Secretary of Commerce for:

Chinook fisheries on the Yukon and Kuskokwim Rivers in response to dramatically depressed Chinook salmon runs that resulted in severe restriction of the commercial and subsistence fisheries in 2011 and 2012.

Governor Parnell's July 14, 2012 Yukon and Kuskokwim Rivers Chinook fisheries disaster request. (LARGE PDF - 3MB)

Commercial fisheries in Cook Inlet affecting poor runs of Chinook salmon to the Kenai River and the streams of Upper Cook Inlet in 2012, which lead to extensive closures of commercial and sport fisheries. The requests for Cook Inlet included the Eastside commercial setnet fishery and the Northern District set net fishery and the in-river Chinook sport fisheries on the Kenai River and the streams of North Cook Inlet

Governor Parnell’s Aug. 16, 2012 Cook Inlet Area Chinook fisheries disaster request. (PDF 339 kB)

Chinook Fisheries Disaster Request Letter and Secretary of Commerce Response

Governor Parnell's Chinook fisheries disaster request letter (LARGE PDF - 3 MB)

On September 12, 2012, the Secretary of Commerce, after reviewing information from the State of Alaska, determined that a commercial fishery failure due to a fishery resource disaster exists for three regions of the Alaska Chinook salmon fishery. The determination gives Congress the authority to appropriate funds for fishery disaster relief under the Magnuson-Stevens Act. The fishery may also qualify for other forms of federal assistance.

Secretary of Commerce Chinook fishery disaster declaration letter (PDF 752 kB)

In both letters, from the Governor and Secretary of Commerce, hardship is acknowledged for commercial, sport, and subsistence users as a result of Chinook salmon fishery failures in certain areas of Alaska.

Governor Parnell's administration is actively working with the Alaska Congressional Delegation toward a Congressional appropriation for relief.


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This isn't going to matter much if DFO proceeds with putting a slot limit on large chinook in Area 23 and perhaps the whole WCVI! (see posting on Conservation forum for details). If this goes ahead, it will cause serious problems for the guides and communities that depend upon sport fishing and the tourism dollars it brings.

DFO is determined to make sure, first and foremost that FN's on the lower and upper Fraser have large chinook to catch. This IMHO is fine, but DFO is doing nothing to promote more wild chinook. They are just managing the prioritized access of dwindling chinook populations over time until there are very few left! This cannot be allowed to continue! We need to stop the micro management of access and fighting over who gets the last few fish and start doing and demanding work that produces and promotes increasing chinook populations all over the BC Coast!

DFO and the Fed Govt. doesn't care what a slot limit like this does to these communities and local economies, but we should make the Prov. parties now about this with a Prov. election in a month! Time to start talking to your local prov. politicians and make it an issue!

http://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-1.htm
http://www.bcndp.ca/team
 
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sharp hooks is right i thing trouble is while run size in columbia r iver is predicted by number of jack springs at spawning grounds or hatcherys last year; a huge by catch of these fish are caught in trawl fishery in alaskan waters; no change much until 2015; when more meetings can be held; the trawl fishery is largest in alaska so has little time for objectors; macdonalds has to have pollck for fish sanwiches; rumour has it only 4 or 5 days trolling for west coast commies this summer
 
I thought I would brighten up this thread a little. I always keep my eye on the "Homer winter King derby results." This might put a smile on some ppls face!

Quote:

"A few statistics: This year was the 4th largest number of kings caught in the 20 year history of the tournament even though the number of boats entered was only 9th best. The average 1st place fish is 34.16 pounds so this year's 35.10 pounder was bit heavier."

http://alaskaoutdoorjournal.com/Fishing/2013homer_winter_king_salmon_tournament_results.html

Have a read, and relax folks, there will be plenty of nooks for everyone to get this summer. Don't get your panties in a knot!

I'm not a biologist and have no idea where these nooks will be headed but I'm sure some of them will be headed right down WCVI. Hopefully after they run under my boat up north first ;-)

Cheers,

Wooly
 
Columbia river August predictions; 678,000 Chinook and 500,000 Coho - where are all of these fishing coming from? Should be some moving down along WCVI.

Stosh
 
That is exactly what everyone is saying Stosh - if it werent for the US, any WCVI salmon fishing would be dismal this season!

Here is a question for you guys out there...

We love to fish the inside of Barkley Sound and focus hard on Assits, Pill, Fleming, The Wall etc. EVen though some of the local runs (Sarita, ALberni, Henderson, etc) have SOME fish returning, is there any numbers of these US fish coming into the Sound, or do they pretty well stay off-shore?

always wondered if majority of US fish simply pass by, or do an "inside water loop" so to speak?
 
Columbia river August predictions; 678,000 Chinook and 500,000 Coho - where are all of these fishing coming from? Should be some moving down along WCVI.

Stosh

During a normal year the majority of the Chinooks are by us by the end of July, like last year when it sucked during August.

I think that some fish filter thru the different sounds as they are on their migration but I personally feel that most of them stay on the offshore highway
 
just a personal ***** about DFO blundering, off topic but on topic, we have Chehalis River hatchery that has no river where its returning/leaving fish can travel to and from, therefore returning fish only sense the trickle thats released from the hatchery and its not enough flow to have the fish stage and therefore create a fishery, most species are forced into the canyon for refuge until extreme heavy rains cause them to rush, enmass to the hatchery via the trickle. This has gone on now for over ten years, the DFO has no interest in recreating the fishery to the once spectacular levels for coho, summer springs and Chum , so when we look at why the DFO isnt increasing hatchery production, look NO FURTHER than this example the DFO has left us with this debaucle. Fishing is so poor over there most days that you can have the whole river to yourself, whereas this river could and has in the past supported upwards of 250 anglers per day from upper limit to the Harrison. I am in the total belief that they want to get out of the hatchery game, if this happens, whats kinda future are the future fisherman going to have???
 
None Cam. Its been evident for years that DFO only wants to manage the last fish, not the next fish.

BTW welcome back, Haven't seen you here in years
 
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