sooke halibut

[Highliner]

quote:Originally posted by Tailspin

Or do you just sell off now and start golfing? Sees as though our hands are tied up tight on this one. I know of a few boats up for sale already, sad stuff[V]

www.tailspincharters.com

Who sells their boat when the fishing is closed for a couple of months? Or are these charter guys that are just fed up?

Highliner

 

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

No Kildonan; we complain when DFO allows openenings (commercials or sporties) when they should be closed to protect the stocks (west coast seiners, gillnetters, or opening coho in the Cowichan Bay now with reduced size limit...) and we complain when DFO closes when there is no or unjustified reason (such as unfair quota share for halibut, closing winter spings in Sooke (90% US hatchery fish) to protect early Fraser springs, and other idiotic things...). Very few here would complain about a justified closure of endangered stocks. I did not see anybody complaining when river mouths were closed for salmon fishing to protect specific returning stocks. Very few complained about rock fish protection measures that were well overdue... The big complaints are where complaints are due and the complaints should become a lot louder to have any impact.

I propose that we all boycott the creel survey from now on and tell those folks that it is nothing personal but they please pass on the message to DFO that the sporties will not provide free data anymore until DFO finds an acceptable solution to the halibut quota share issue. This is one of the few favours that DFO asks of us and here we could make a statement. Granted, this can only be a little side kick among other efforts we have to do. One of them being showing up at the next SFAB meeting.

One thing that grates me still is the fact that I filled out a log book that DFO gave me to document everything that I caught or released last year.
This was supposed to help with being able to determine stock assesments as well as a helping them determine halibut data.
All that work I put in last year keeping track of everything for themnow is gonna cost me dearly.
The true fact is that we as recreational fisherman provide far more to the tourism/economy than any commercial aspect and our share of the pie keeps getting smaller.
I

www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[richmake]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

No Kildonan; we complain when DFO allows openenings (commercials or sporties) when they should be closed to protect the stocks (west coast seiners, gillnetters, or opening coho in the Cowichan Bay now with reduced size limit...) and we complain when DFO closes when there is no or unjustified reason (such as unfair quota share for halibut, closing winter spings in Sooke (90% US hatchery fish) to protect early Fraser springs, and other idiotic things...). Very few here would complain about a justified closure of endangered stocks. I did not see anybody complaining when river mouths were closed for salmon fishing to protect specific returning stocks. Very few complained about rock fish protection measures that were well overdue... The big complaints are where complaints are due and the complaints should become a lot louder to have any impact.

I propose that we all boycott the creel survey from now on and tell those folks that it is nothing personal but they please pass on the message to DFO that the sporties will not provide free data anymore until DFO finds an acceptable solution to the halibut quota share issue. This is one of the few favours that DFO asks of us and here we could make a statement. Granted, this can only be a little side kick among other efforts we have to do. One of them being showing up at the next SFAB meeting.

One thing that grates me still is the fact that I filled out a log book that DFO gave me to document everything that I caught or released last year.
This was supposed to help with being able to determine stock assesments as well as a helping them determine halibut data.
All that work I put in last year keeping track of everything for themnow is gonna cost me dearly.
The true fact is that we as recreational fisherman provide far more to the tourism/economy than any commercial aspect and our share of the pie keeps getting smaller.
I

www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

 

[Tailspin]

quote:
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Originally posted by Tailspin

Or do you just sell off now and start golfing? Sees as though our hands are tied up tight on this one. I know of a few boats up for sale already, sad stuff

www.tailspincharters.com

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quote:Who sells their boat the the fishing is closed for a couple of months? Or are these charter guys that are just fed up?

Highliner

I know of both HL, there is a sad outlook and guys are fed up. Its more than just a closure for a few months, it is the outlook coming down the tube. I would be fine with a closure from October to April on Hali, however these last minute fly by closures and last minute changes to rec guys while the comm fleet of 150 actual boats fishing quota take 88% Do the math. Its BS and there is sadly, little we can do about it now.

Bill Otway from SFAB summed it up very well for me, i will post some of what he said about things later on.

www.tailspincharters.com

 

[Tailspin]

quote:
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Originally posted by Tailspin

Or do you just sell off now and start golfing? Sees as though our hands are tied up tight on this one. I know of a few boats up for sale already, sad stuff

www.tailspincharters.com

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quote:Who sells their boat the the fishing is closed for a couple of months? Or are these charter guys that are just fed up?

Highliner

I know of both HL, there is a sad outlook and guys are fed up. Its more than just a closure for a few months, it is the outlook coming down the tube. I would be fine with a closure from October to April on Hali, however these last minute fly by closures and last minute changes to rec guys while the comm fleet of 150 actual boats fishing quota take 88% Do the math. Its BS and there is sadly, little we can do about it now.

Bill Otway from SFAB summed it up very well for me, i will post some of what he said about things later on.

www.tailspincharters.com

 

[drhook]

This is going to take a lot more than just a few ***** sessions at a SFAB meeting or two. Recreational fishermen require a full blown lobby group to make our voices heard. Unfortunatey, as individuals, we can never come together to make that happen. The commercials have the money and clout of full blown, organized lobbiest representives for each commercial sector. We got nothing! I havn't heard a peep from the BCWF and its going to take a heck of a lot more than a couple of press releases from the SFI to change things around.
It's sad the the BC Anglers federation never got off the ground. Their prime mandate was to fight for our rights to sportsfishermen and thats the kind of organization we need. As it is, we're sunk.
We are nothing but a tick on the DFO dog!

 

[drhook]

This is going to take a lot more than just a few ***** sessions at a SFAB meeting or two. Recreational fishermen require a full blown lobby group to make our voices heard. Unfortunatey, as individuals, we can never come together to make that happen. The commercials have the money and clout of full blown, organized lobbiest representives for each commercial sector. We got nothing! I havn't heard a peep from the BCWF and its going to take a heck of a lot more than a couple of press releases from the SFI to change things around.
It's sad the the BC Anglers federation never got off the ground. Their prime mandate was to fight for our rights to sportsfishermen and thats the kind of organization we need. As it is, we're sunk.
We are nothing but a tick on the DFO dog!

 

[Tailspin]

Striper Jack and I , were talking to my bud who has done Hali /Blackcod and Salmon for 40 years now out of Hardy. Apparantly the test boats have been getting less hali this year, same spot, same spacing, bait etc... As grim as it sounds, the commercial hali guys have DFO on them now and there allocation is in trouble too. Looks like the whole pie could be shrunk down by as much as 50% for them, some of it is due to FN issues, Alaska reccomendations, polotics etc. I can only guess what that will do to us.

www.tailspincharters.com

 

[Tailspin]

Striper Jack and I , were talking to my bud who has done Hali /Blackcod and Salmon for 40 years now out of Hardy. Apparantly the test boats have been getting less hali this year, same spot, same spacing, bait etc... As grim as it sounds, the commercial hali guys have DFO on them now and there allocation is in trouble too. Looks like the whole pie could be shrunk down by as much as 50% for them, some of it is due to FN issues, Alaska reccomendations, polotics etc. I can only guess what that will do to us.

www.tailspincharters.com

 

[fisher69]

Originally posted by Tailspin

Striper Jack and I , were talking to my bud who has done Hali /Blackcod and Salmon for 40 years now out of Hardy. Apparantly the test boats have been getting less hali this year, same spot, same spacing, bait etc... As grim as it sounds, the commercial hali guys have DFO on them now and there allocation is in trouble too. Looks like the whole pie could be shrunk down by as much as 50% for them, some of it is due to FN issues, Alaska reccomendations, polotics etc. I can only guess what that will do to us.

Finally someone got it. The only thing is there is only one pie. When the pie shrinks we all loose. The only fish that is not touched is 300,000lbs of FN fish. that is a set number.

I for one am all for reducing the limits. I heard through the vine that there was a 160% increase in effort on the island alone this year. How long do we expect these stocks to be able to last at this rate? 30 springs should be reduced to 5, 6 lings should be reduced to 3, hali will probably need to be reduced to 1, and if we don't start to watch the rockfish(the bottle neck for bottem species) were done. It does suck but with the amount of effort on the water these stocks are going to need to rebuild. It's been all fine to point the finger at the commercials but i think that game is up. My neighbour is commercial and his salmon season was 25 hrs long this year. Pretty hard to say they are the demise of the stocks.

This entire mess belongs to dfo. All our stocks have been mismanaged to the point of being wiped out. If they don't get off there butt soon and manage all sectors including FN there will be nothing left in the future. How on earth can DFO expect to do decent science when they have no idea what is being taken out of the water.

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[fisher69]

Originally posted by Tailspin

Striper Jack and I , were talking to my bud who has done Hali /Blackcod and Salmon for 40 years now out of Hardy. Apparantly the test boats have been getting less hali this year, same spot, same spacing, bait etc... As grim as it sounds, the commercial hali guys have DFO on them now and there allocation is in trouble too. Looks like the whole pie could be shrunk down by as much as 50% for them, some of it is due to FN issues, Alaska reccomendations, polotics etc. I can only guess what that will do to us.

Finally someone got it. The only thing is there is only one pie. When the pie shrinks we all loose. The only fish that is not touched is 300,000lbs of FN fish. that is a set number.

I for one am all for reducing the limits. I heard through the vine that there was a 160% increase in effort on the island alone this year. How long do we expect these stocks to be able to last at this rate? 30 springs should be reduced to 5, 6 lings should be reduced to 3, hali will probably need to be reduced to 1, and if we don't start to watch the rockfish(the bottle neck for bottem species) were done. It does suck but with the amount of effort on the water these stocks are going to need to rebuild. It's been all fine to point the finger at the commercials but i think that game is up. My neighbour is commercial and his salmon season was 25 hrs long this year. Pretty hard to say they are the demise of the stocks.

This entire mess belongs to dfo. All our stocks have been mismanaged to the point of being wiped out. If they don't get off there butt soon and manage all sectors including FN there will be nothing left in the future. How on earth can DFO expect to do decent science when they have no idea what is being taken out of the water.

[xx(]