Skeena - What’s Next? By Bob Hooton

OldBlackDog

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There seems to be a lack of training in the fish handling, especially in the seine operation....why bind them up in a tight bag like that when there’s no need, especially with the number of guys they have all wearing waders who could support the mesh in a larger area and still minimize escaped fish during the tagging process...meanwhile...the Tyee numbers....off a cliff...what the hell is going on out there on the high seas?
 
Steelhead, neglected and abused into irrelevance and trending towards virtual extinction coast wide.
100's of millions of $ spent on upper Fraser salmon, a few pennies spent on Fraser steelhead.
Seems to me the writing is on the wall.
 
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BA,

The majority of the freshwater anglers care more about getting their faces on social media with a 5lb pink or trying to become "Pro-Staff" than they do about the most important Steelhead stocks in the world.

People who have never fished the Skeena, Gold or Thompson don't care about these fisheries nor do they realize the magnitude of these collapses.
Take away the camping trips, comradery and memories passed down each generation of these iconic fisheries and they become lost.
Truly a sad state of affairs our freshwater fisheries have become, to call these scraps even fisheries is pathetic.
 
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It rhymes with "FOR PLUCK SAKES" and refers to your spelling Bob's name wrong, even though it was right there in front of you if you read his comments.





Take care.
 
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It rhymes with "FOR PLUCK SAKES" and refers to your spelling Bob's name wrong, even though it was right there in front of you if you read his comments.





Take care.
- I see now. You must be the new self appointed SFBC Word Po-leeze . How much does that gig pay if you dont mind me asking ? ;)
 
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- I see now. You must be the new self appointed SFBC Word Po-leeze . How much does that gig pay if you dont mind me asking ? ;)

I'm pretty sure an adult would have simply apologized with a "my bad" or some such thing, rather than get all butt-holy about it.
But go ahead, you do you.

It's common courtesy to spell a well known person's name properly, and the fact you didn't, even when it was right there in front of you, speaks volumes about you, Brine.

Sad.


Take care.
 
From the outside looking in, the most surprising (shocking!) thing for me was to see Victoria keep the Skeena system open despite the critically low Tyee numbers.

It speaks to the huge clout the lodges and guides have up there....this was purely a socio-economic decision and had zero to do with conservation. The “mitigations” bandied about were weak-kneed at best.

Bait ban? I think that horse left the barn years ago
More CO’s on the river? For what, to keep guides and clients from passing fish around for hero shots?
Clip 2 1/2 months off the season? Yeah, right, like somehow losing November and December rec fishing opportunities was a huge mitigation effort

One glaring thing for me in this charade.....how can the guiding community (the sector poised to gain the most from this Victoria wink and nod) ever sit at a resource table with the local FN groups again and discuss conservation with a straight face?
 
I'm pretty sure an adult would have simply apologized with a "my bad" or some such thing, rather than get all butt-holy about it.
But go ahead, you do you.

It's common courtesy to spell a well known person's name properly, and the fact you didn't, even when it was right there in front of you, speaks volumes about you, Brine.

Sad.


Take care.
Well Dave as a person that has two names that can be taken as my surname, I get called by the wrong one frequently. Its not a big deal and certainly not worth pissing on someone who doesn't rise to your level of spelling excellence. Apologize ??? What for ? For a slip on the keyboard incorrectly spelling the name of a man that I have known for over 20 years ? I am sure Bob didn't take offense. One of the rationale for his blogs is to educate anglers on the dismal mismanagement of our steelhead stocks. ( and salmon ) Given the lack of responses on this site, I can only assume that most either don't know or don't care about steelhead. That is a shame as I can see other salmon stocks following the demise of the steelhead . Anyway, I certainly didn't post Bobs blog to get into a pissing match with you because I read your posts with interest... So my hope for you is to get a client into a Tyee quickly. Its amazing how one fish can change a persons attitude . I am done with this time wasting. How about you ?
Cheers
Me
 
No problem, except the "e" on my keyboard is quite a distance from where the "o" is, so your reason seems a bit suspect.

Nonetheless, I don't enjoy this kind of stuff much and usually avoid it, so I'm happy to jag it in.




Take care.
 
Great, the last bastion of steelhead abundance has finally been dealt the same death blow as the rest of BC. IMO we need to take more focus on addressing all the causes impacting steelhead survival, and what might be able to be done than focusing our complaints about one single contributor - netting. Nets are not the main problem, if they were, then why are there not many steelhead in some of BC's most pristine rivers with epic habitat and no commercial or FN nets?

There is a lot more going on than one simple and obvious shinny penny. Steelhead are the harbinger of change....they out-migrate as large smolts, and are prime meal treats to seals early in the season when food availability is limited. Steelhead also migrate along coastline areas as shore huggers, right in the path of ever increasing Sea Lion populations desperate for food during times where salmon are less abundant and not migrating in big numbers. Predation is something we can take action to address. Another significant contributor to the demise - Climate change and the warm ocean blob...that is a vastly large problem, but very difficult to take action that is within our control. Well it is if our government implemented a carbon tax on all Chinese and Indian imports that are not manufactured in an environmentally sustainable way - safe supply chain, ban coal fired electrical grid, limiting pollutants etc. Economic incentives for change at the supplier end, as opposed to applying a simple carbon tax on fuel at the consumer end.

Unfortunately for steelhead the cards are apparently stacked against them for long term survival IMO. Same too for Ocean Type Chinook - they are much like steelhead...out-migrate as large smolts, and use the same open ocean habitat. Bit of an undeniable pattern taking shape.
 
" Nets are not the main problem, if they were, then why are there not many steelhead in some of BC's most pristine rivers with epic habitat and no commercial or FN nets? "

I would say that the vast majority of streams on the coast have had most of the habitat destroyed by logging over the last 150 years. Gillnets and non selective fisheries do impact steelhead runs both on the Skeena and the Fraser watersheds. Even the province has stated that. Now of course ocean survival rate is at an all time low and the massive influx of hatchery chum and pinks is diminishing the same food source that steelhead and chinook and coho utilize. Multinational Governments need to work together to manage this. I have not seen any data on the impact of pinnipeds on the Skeena River watershed showing that they are having a significant impact.
 
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pete soverel
September 6, 2021 at 10:18 pm
Thirty years ago I wrote an piece for The Osprey, “The Trouble with Guides”. The basic theme: guides, perhaps because they are making a living from a public resource, not infrequently come to presume they have a higher priority/right to the public resource. This has recently been demonstrated on Washington’s Olympic Peninsula where the guides reacted strongly to WDFW decision to prohibit fishing from boats as a part of conservation measures enacted to protect critically depressed populations of wild steelhead while preserving angling opportunity. The guides and their association has spent the ensuing eleven months arguing for business as usual because the restrictive regulations were not warrented even though wild steelhead populations, in decline for over twenty years, teetered on extinction threshholds. BTW, guided anglers harvest over 70% of all steelhead while constituting perhaps 15% of the anglers.
We see a similar response this fall on the Skeena with wild returns the lowest or almost the lowest on record — clearly an indication of dramatically increased risk of local extirpation. The guide reaction: we have alivelihood that depends on fishing so business as usual, there is no conservation concern and, therefore, closures/restrictions are unwarranted. Sadly, as is frequently the case, the management agencies fold to commercial interests who are a small fraction of the public.
We see this all over management of public resources where commercial user are prioritized over the public — subsidized grazing fees; havest regimes heavily weighted towards commercial fishers/crabbers/lobstermen/shrimpers/clammers; restrictive recreation regulations without commensurate steps in the commercial sector. Of course in BC, tribal fishers are more or less completely different set of issues.
Pete
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    Bob Hooton
    September 6, 2021 at 10:37 pm
    Thanks for jogging my memory here Pete. I need to dig out those figures on what proportion of the total catch is accounted for by those boating Olympic Peninsula guides. It’s an excellent example of an imbalance that is not reflected in any regulations or pricing. As you know, it is rare to ever see a guided client fishing from a boat up Skeena way but I think you and I will agree the jet boats used by guides are an even bigger factor in dominating the total catch. That’s one of the problems with no one in the provincial fisheries business being completely out of touch with the fisheries they “manage”. The best they can do is to tell us how many guide licenses are out there, how many assistant guides they employ and how many rod days they account for. Catch reports come from post season reports guides submit to administrative staff distantly removed from anything to do with fisheries management. They don’t have a clue about the veracity of what is submitted. It doesn’t go unnoticed that the anecdotal in-season catch reports attributable to guides this year contrast sharply with those from veteran anglers fishing the same places and times. Great system to base “management decisions” on.
 
This dynamic with high-end lodges and guided sportfishing operations on a river like the Skeena is very reminiscent of what I saw in the commercial seafood sector. You’d see one or more of the big players investing huge amounts of money, sometimes in fisheries where you found yourself wondering what on the earth they were thinking when making that investment decision because the particular fishery they poured their money into had quotas that were under pressure due to overfishing

Then like clockwork, the principals of these companies would show up at fishery regulatory meetings and plead economic duress, and beg the regulatory guys not to cut quotas because it would severly impact local employment and cause them monetary losses

When the managers back away from the quota-cutting table out of respect for these profligate spenders, we all subsidize their crappy investment decision. It’s a publicly owned resource, Our tax dollars pay the fishery managers to properly manage our fish, yet without even a blush, the managers, showing zero allegiance to the sector that pays their salaries, gives our fish away to these ill-informed careless investors

You can imagine the conversation a Smithers banker who is financing one or more of these lodges might have with a fishery manager down the street from him in the Smithers, especially after 2020 when their clients were a no-show due to C19

It was almost a certainty that the lodges would brow-beat Smithers and Victoria into submission when it came time to deciding whether the Tyee Test results warranted shutting down the Skeena steelhead fishery or not, and this is precisely what happened.

I ask again, how will lodge owners and guides ever look FN fish managers or anyone else in the eye and discuss the word “conservation” again with a straight face. They have shown their true colors....Tyee test results, scientific process be damned
 
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Sharphooks, you are bang on with this post and this is exactly what has happened.

I will elaborate on your comment: "I ask again, how will lodge owners and guides ever look FN fish managers or anyone else in the eye and discuss the word “conservation” again with a straight face. They have shown their true colors....Tyee test results, scientific process be damned"... credibility is lost and the stroke of certain groups and individuals in any of the processes we currently have has been permanently eroded (you have become noise). The decision to keep the Skeena open flies in the face of most overarching principles and there are teeth in those principals... sometimes you just don't know when they might bite you in the diaper.
 
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